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Venezuela’s inflation rate is astounding

By Goran_K following x   2017 Nov 12, 9:13am 17,186 views   189 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


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This is why leftism in America is so dangerous. There is no such thing as a free lunch. You work, you eat. Basic fundemental truth that has rung true for over 2,000,000 years of homonsapien history.

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81   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 8:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Wow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech


What the hell? Were you hacked or just higher than normal when you posted around 30 personal attacks? Censoring those has always been in the cards, so don’t whine like a little bitch when the moderators enforce the (very simple) rules!
82   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 8:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Now can someone tell me if socialism is so great, and according to Bernie Sanders the American Dream is more apt to be realized in Venezuela, why do Venezuelan grocery stores look like this?



FortWayne says
but it's total equality now, everyone is a millionnaire... just like liberals want.


Quigley says
If everyone is a millionaire, then a million dollars isn’t worth much at all. Just ask the people of Zimbabwe how that works.


Isn't socialism awesome? Everyone is rich...everyone is equal....everyone is happy.
And here we are, stuck in America. We need to escape.
83   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 8:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errc says
Here’s a question you didn’t answer. Like I said, you won’t answer because you can’t

Which is also I said things like this are meant to be uncivil and inflammatory, otherwise you wouldn’t be afraid to answer simple questions like “provide proof?”


Bernie used to have his "Close the Gap" essay on his normal website under "Issues". It disappeared when Venezuelans started eating their pets for food.

Although I did find the entire essay under his Senate website buried in the archives. Guess Bernie's webmaster can't delete things from Senate.Gov.

Here for everyone's reading:
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america

Now that I've answered your question, can you address this part of Bernie's essay?


These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?


Do you agree or disagree with his statement?
84   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 8:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errc says
Wow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech


Are you kidding? One of your "deleted comments" was one where you used a racial slur against my wife. You have the right to be racist, but you don't have freedom from consequences.
85   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 8:21am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
errc says
Wow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech


What the hell? Were you hacked or just higher than normal when you posted around 30 personal attacks? Censoring those has always been in the cards, so don’t whine like a little bitch when the moderators enforce the (very simple) rules!


Since when is turnabout not fair play?

Its learned behavior. I came here twelve years ago as civil can be, looking for thoughts, ideas, and discussions. A few years ago, CiC found this site, and like most people finding a housing bubble six + years, was ornery and abrasive. He attacked myself and others directly, over and over again, all day, every day. He was relentless. He was so determined to cause harm to participants here, that he went so far to harass a poster in real life at his job.

So Patrick agreed that he was poison to the site, and he banned him. Then Patrick got lazy, and allowed him back under the alias of Sniper. Where he continues to attack posters and impede discussion, in the most uncivil of ways. Character Assassination. Falsely accusing posters of being drug addicts and breaking the law. This is both harmful and dangerous behavior, and if anyone ever had a case that someone else was violating their right to free speech, it was Ironman.

Then I figured maybe it’s time to use his tactics, to see how his buddies on his political team like it. Seems they love dishing it out, but are of extremely weak constitution, and can’t take it back.

Obviously, empowering a right wing hyper partisan liar as mod of the Politics forum, has caused quite a stir. I’ve read numerous well thought out protests to @Patrick mistake, but he seems unwilling to address them, likely because he has no good response. Which is why I assume people have such trouble answering questions about things they post.

Why should anyone believe this is an honest attempt at making things civil, when the civil lot of us have been begging for civility for years? How is appointing a hard right, disingenuous and dishonest poster who has unevenly treated posters based on their politics, a pathway from the current Bog of Eternal Stench to the claimed desire of a civil exchange of ideas?

Many of us came here for a civil exchange of ideas, driven by a thirst for knowledge. What happened over time, in your opinion? Why was civility lost and who is responsible?
86   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 8:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?


Do you agree or disagree with his statement?


Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.
87   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 8:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
errc says
Wow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech


What the hell? Were you hacked or just higher than normal when you posted around 30 personal attacks? Censoring those has always been in the cards, so don’t whine like a little bitch when the moderators enforce the (very simple) rules!


I also am of the opinion that saying “were you just higher than normal” is uncivil and intentionally attacking the person rather than the message, but I’d wager that the moderator will let it fly because in his head, you’re on his team and people like me that stand for Liberty and Freedom like a true Great American, are his/her enemy.

Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females, and their actions and motives certainly suggest it as well. So maybe I understand why they act like women...because they are women. Maybe if we treat them like women, they will respond better?
88   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 8:27am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errc says

I also am of the opinion that saying “were you just higher than normal” is uncivil and intentionally attacking the person rather than the message, but I’d wager that the moderator will let it fly because in his head


Well I'm also allowing "Obviously, empowering a right wing hyper partisan liar as mod of the Politics forum", and I also didn't delete your vicious racial slur against my wife (someone else did), so let's see where this goes. Maybe you have an interesting point, or maybe you're just throwing a tantrum. We'll see.
89   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 8:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says

I also am of the opinion that saying “were you just higher than normal” is uncivil and intentionally attacking the person rather than the message, but I’d wager that the moderator will let it fly because in his head


Well I'm also allowing "Obviously, empowering a right wing hyper partisan liar as mod of the Politics forum", and I also didn't delete your vicious racial slur against my wife (someone else did), so let's see where this goes. Maybe you have an interesting point, or maybe you're just throwing a tantrum. We'll see.


One posted is factual

The other is a direct personal attack and character assassination.

I predicted that you would allow the uncivil personal attack, so I’m not surprised.


Do you believe that “were you just higher than normal “ is civil or uncivil

@Patrick
90   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Which part are you refuting?

Lie- an intentionally false statement.
91   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 8:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errc says
One posted is factual

The other is a direct personal attack and character assassination.


Fortunately, you do not get to decide this. You don't get to toss out racial slurs and personal attacks and then decide that "they are facts" instead of insults.
92   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 8:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errc says
Which part are you refuting?

Lie- an intentionally false statement.


I'm not right wing. That's a lie.
93   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 8:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females


Jazz? LOL. He must have also said Dan is a macho man.
94   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 8:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
errc says
Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females


Jazz? LOL. He must have also said Dan is a macho man.


Is this civil?
95   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 8:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errc says
Is this civil?


I'm allowing your uncivil post and other uncivil post to see if you have a point. So far, you haven't made a coherent one. But I'm giving you some leeway. Continue please.
96   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 8:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Strategist says
errc says
Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females


Jazz? LOL. He must have also said Dan is a macho man.


Is this civil?


Yes, it is civil.
97   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 8:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

But please, I implore you to get out your main point in the next 2-3 post. After that I'll start some clean up. So far it seems you're angry that some of your posts were deleted, one of which included a vicious racial slur. At most forums that would have been an immediate ban, yet here you are.

Do you really think you're being treated unfairly based on your actions on this forum the past 2-3 days?
98   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 8:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
One posted is factual

The other is a direct personal attack and character assassination.


Fortunately, you do not get to decide this. You don't get to toss out racial slurs and personal attacks and then decide that "they are facts" instead of insults.


Huh? How is this a response to What i said?

You’re not doing a good job of unbiased moderation. You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine

And answer the question
99   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 8:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine


There is no comparison to what you said, and what I said. It's been beyond apples and oranges.
100   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 8:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
Which part are you refuting?

Lie- an intentionally false statement.


I'm not right wing. That's a lie.


How can anyone read your posts, and then not deduce that you are a right winger?

You’ve said “Leftism not even once....ever”, and also referred to Liberalism as a cancer. You constantly attack anything you see as Leftism, yet never ever offer up what the alternative is, which in our binary system is to embrace Republicans. You have never posted any criticism of anything or anyone Right Wing, so how on Earth would anyone label you as anything other than a Right Winger?
101   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 8:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errc says
Huh? How is this a response to What i said?

You’re not doing a good job of unbiased moderation. You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine

And answer the question


First off I didn't mark all of your comments uncivil or delete your comments in this thread.

Secondly, do you think you're being treated unfairly? You should have been banned for your racist comments. If we were "being fair", I'd delete a few perhaps off color comments but then I should go and institute a 24 hour ban on your account for your racist anger filled tirade that you posted 2-3 days ago.

Right now, Patrick has given us leeway to let discussions progress until they become back and forth personal attacks (which so far this conversation has yet to become).

So, please, answer the question, do you think you've been treated unfairly? I don't personally believe you have been, in fact I think you've been given incredible leeway given your past actions. Do you disagree?
102   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 9:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

So I'm guessing the lack of a response means you haven't been treated unfairly?
103   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 9:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
Huh? How is this a response to What i said?

You’re not doing a good job of unbiased moderation. You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine

And answer the question


First off I didn't mark all of your comments uncivil or delete your comments in this thread.

Secondly, do you think you're being treated unfairly? You should have been banned for your racist comments. If we were "being fair", I'd delete a few perhaps off color comments but then I should go and institute a 24 hour ban on your account for your racist anger filled tirade that you posted 2-3 days ago.

Right now, Patrick has given us leeway to let discussions progress until they become back and forth personal attacks (which so far this conversation has yet to become).

So, please, answer the question, do you think you've been treated unfairly? I don't personally believe you...


Are you drunk already , or just higher than usual? Are you sniffing glue?

Obviously I’m being treated unfairly.

You marked those posts as uncivil, and Patnet has a long history of allowing racist comments.

When Sniper posted “Bye Bye nigger boy!” As Obama left office, the post got more likes than dislikes
104   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 9:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
errc says
You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine


There is no comparison to what you said, and what I said. It's been beyond apples and oranges.


How do you figure?

It’s either civil or uncivil. Very simple
105   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 9:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errc says
Are you drunk already , or just higher than usual? Are you sniffing glue?

Obviously I’m being treated unfairly.

You marked those posts as uncivil, and Patnet has a long history of allowing racist comments.

When Sniper posted “Bye Bye nigger boy!” As Obama left office, the post got more likes than dislikes


Alright, I've entertained your case long enough. You haven't made a real convincing case that you've been treated unfairly, and I'll leave your reasoning up for all to read and see and decide for themselves.

But after this point, keep your stuff civil, and no back and forth attacks. Thanks.
106   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 9:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Strategist says
errc says
You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine


There is no comparison to what you said, and what I said. It's been beyond apples and oranges.


How do you figure?

It’s either civil or uncivil. Very simple


One was a vicious and vulgar personal attack. The other was just poking fun at someone.
107   Starsky   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 9:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Strategist says
errc says
You should mark his uncivil comment as such, just as you did mine


There is no comparison to what you said, and what I said. It's been beyond apples and oranges.


How do you figure?

It’s either civil or uncivil. Very simple


Can't you see? We don't want you here.
108   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 9:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
Are you drunk already , or just higher than usual? Are you sniffing glue?

Obviously I’m being treated unfairly.

You marked those posts as uncivil, and Patnet has a long history of allowing racist comments.

When Sniper posted “Bye Bye nigger boy!” As Obama left office, the post got more likes than dislikes


Alright, I've entertained your case long enough. You haven't made a real convincing case that you've been treated unfairly, and I'll leave your reasoning up for all to read and see and decide for themselves.

But after this point, keep your stuff civil, and no back and forth attacks. Thanks.


Wouldn’t the definition of being treated unfairly, include marking my posts as uncivil and removing them, while allowing others to comment at and around me in an uncivil fashion?
109   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 9:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
One was a vicious and vulgar personal attack.


Goran could easily have responded in kind, but did not. That takes a lot of class.
110   Starsky   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 9:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Wow finally people who get it. This site is great
111   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 9:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errc says
Wouldn’t the definition of being treated unfairly, include marking my posts as uncivil and removing them, while allowing others to comment at and around me in an uncivil fashion?


No comments have been deleted or marked uncivil by myself today. You've gotten plenty of leeway.
112   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 9:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errrc. this isn't the forum and thread to start "errc's grivances topics". If you have a problem with moderation, or other issues with uncivil, start a topic under the #patnet subtopic and tag Patrick.

You are derailing multiple topics now in various sub forums. Please start a new thread to discuss your grievances with the management, thanks.
113   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 10:47am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Goran_K says
errrc. this isn't the forum and thread to start "errc's grivances topics". If you have a problem with moderation, or other issues with uncivil, start a topic under the #patnet subtopic and tag Patrick.

You are derailing multiple topics now in various sub forums.


Wow, how many threads has he derailed so far 5, 6, 7, more, with his grievances?

It's going "parabolic".


Derail? I’m asking questions

Very rich coming from you after years of attempting to destroy this forum by yourself and your various alias, after Patrick banned you.

I wonder if that picture that Patrick always liked of the runner shitting himself that was attributed to you and your posts, is still considered civil
114   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 10:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Guys, let's keep it on topic.
115   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 11:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

He’s complaining about Sniper cluttering up the board while he posts two dozen posts of absolute whiny drivel and self justification for intolerant and hateful attacks on other members. I saw the post he made attacking your wife, Goran, and I was offended for my own reasons. He should have gotten a ban for a week.
I’ve liked his posts and we’ve spent lots of time arguing, but this new angry and aggro errc is just annoying. He’s made himself CiC 2.0
116   Onvacation   ignore (3)   2017 Nov 14, 11:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Strategist says
errc says
Jazz Music made a great point yesterday, that it’s likely that people like Goran and CiC are females


Jazz? LOL. He must have also said Dan is a macho man.


Is this civil?

No. But it is humorous.
You should have marked jazz uncivil for calling Goran a woman.
117   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 11:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?

You’ve also never once complained about him disrupting most every thread with personal attacks, but if I ask questions and point out inconsistencies, I should be banned?

That’s some strange reasoning
118   Onvacation   ignore (3)   2017 Nov 14, 11:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

One was a vicious and vulgar personal attack. The other was just poking fun at someone.

There is that.
119   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?


I never saw him post that. I'm sure Patrick deleted it if that did happen.
120   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 11:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?


I never saw him post that. I'm sure Patrick deleted it if that did happen.


Your credibility is deteriorating.

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol
121   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Your credibility is deteriorating.

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol


Show me the post.
122   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 11:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
Your credibility is deteriorating.

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol


Show me the post.


Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread
123   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 11:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?
124   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 11:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?



I bumped the thread. So now what do you have to say?

You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator

You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?
125   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 11:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Goran_K says
errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?


Sadly, errc is trying to use the Liberal tactic of "Projecting" and blame others to try and justify his behavior lately.

It's not working.


Are you denying you posted that when you were here as Ironman?

What happened, you regretting what you said now?
126   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 11:58am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

I just checked the thread. Patrick not only deleted the post, he deleted the actual user account. I knew Patrick wouldn't leave such a post up despite your claims.

errc says

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol


So yes, you were dishonest, and it's a shame that you feel the need to act this way.
127   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 12:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
I just checked the thread. Patrick not only deleted the post, he deleted the actual user account. I knew Patrick wouldn't leave such a post up despite your claims.

errc says

Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol


So yes, you were dishonest, and it's a shame that you feel the need to act this way.


Incorrect. Patrick banned Sniper when he posted as Ironman. He never deleted the actual comment, it was collateral damage when he banned his account.

Please stop lying, that is uncivil @Patrick
128   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

In addition to ironman calling Barack Obama a nigger, he also called Michelle a monkey and a dude. There was a surprising amount of traction on the Michelle being a dude concept.
Patrick deleted the user account because of the doxxing. It had nothing to do with the nigger comments.
129   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 12:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
errc says
You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator

You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?


Speaking of lies, why do you continually accuse people of things, but can't provide a single piece of EVIDENCE to support your accusations?

Got any proof?


Yep i bumped the thread with the quote that captured your post calling the President a nigger.

Are you denying that now?

Change of heart?
130   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Goran_K says
errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?



I bumped the thread. So now what do you have to say?

You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator

You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?

To be fair, he said that he didn't think that the post exists in one sentence. He then said that he knew it didn't exist in the next sentence. That is the kind of clear thinking and excellent writing that we should all strive to achieve.
131   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 12:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

YesYNot says
errc says
Goran_K says
errc says
Find it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread


I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?



I bumped the thread. So now what do you have to say?

You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator

You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?

To be fair, he said that he didn't think that the post exists in one sentence. He then said that he knew it didn't exist in the next sentence. That is the kind of clear thinking and excellent writing that we should all strive to achieve.


Either way he’s lying.

The post still exists in the form of a captured quote. You yourself corroborated that you bared witness
132   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 12:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
errc says
Sniper says
errc says
You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator

You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?


Speaking of lies, why do you continually accuse people of things, but can't provide a single piece of EVIDENCE to support your accusations?

Got any proof?


Yep i bumped the thread with the quote that captured your post calling the President a nigger.

Are you denying that now?

Change of heart?


How is that proof?

How do we know you didn't go in and edit that comment that guy made when you quoted it? You probably changed his quote just so you could make some obscure point.

Also, why are you so bu...


We know because we saw it with our own eyes.

I’m curious why you’re denying it now. Do you wish to renege on what you said? Or are you too high to remember posting it?

You seemed to have such conviction back in January, that you felt calling The President a nigger was civil and added something to the thread
133   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 12:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.


Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?
134   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 12:37pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

justme says
Strategist says
Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.


Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?


Hell no! That would be uncivil, because you aren’t a protected right winger. No soup for you!
135   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 12:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

errc says
Many of us came here for a civil exchange of ideas, driven by a thirst for knowledge. What happened over time, in your opinion? Why was civility lost and who is responsible?


The above is why I came here, too. I wanted facts that I could not find elsewhere. I wanted insight. I wanted knowledge. I wanted the stuff that was not in the newspaper because the newspapers were completely controlled by Realtor advertising dollars. But apparently knowledge is no longer what this site is about. The only way to get back to the good old days is to throttle the volume (which I think is the true meaning of the word "moderation" ) of threads and comments. Then the crap content will die a natural death.
136   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 12:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

justme says
Strategist says
Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.


Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?


Sure. Now explain why you believe it’s a lie.
137   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 1:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
errc says
We know because we saw it with our own eyes.


Who's "we"? Do you have multiple Alts here?

errc says
Do you wish to renege on what you said?


Who's "you"?

You missed this question;

Sniper says
Also, why are you so butthurt over a comment that was made almost a year ago? Are you really that sensitive?


Errc, for someone who likes to swear at people and call them all types of vulgar names, you seem to be a bit hypocritical, right?


You asked how can we know, are you admitting to having multiple aliases and alts?


I responded with we because YesYNot corroborated and even expanded on what I said

You are projecting here, now stop being uncivil
138   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 1:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
justme says
The above is why I came here, too. I wanted facts that I could not find elsewhere. I wanted insight. I wanted knowledge. I wanted the stuff that was not in the newspaper because the newspapers were completely controlled by Realtor advertising dollars. But apparently knowledge is no longer what this site is about.


So, you think coming to a PRIVATELY owned forum full of anonymous posters should be the source for accurate facts and knowledge?

You do get plenty here that's not in the newspapers, and not found elsewhere, so why are you upset about that?


You think returning to a forum that you were banned from is civil?
139   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 1:04pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

errc says

Either way he’s lying.

The post still exists in the form of a captured quote. You yourself corroborated that you bared witness

Yes. To be clear, I agree that you are correct. Goran wrote something very unclear, which it appears (to me) is common for him. That is not a personal attack. It's just something that I've noticed and pointed out a couple of times. He then called you dishonest, even though you were actually correct in spirit. Oh dear. I see that CIC is still refusing to fess up about who he is. By the way, I remember him calling Obama a nigger, because it was a bit of a stretch, even for him.
140   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2017 Nov 14, 1:22pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
I always assumed he did it intentionally to be uncivil.


Speaking of uncivil

141   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 1:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
errc says
I always assumed he did it intentionally to be uncivil.


Speaking of uncivil



Whoa Goran will have to ban you for doing that he said it’s bigly against the rules

Let’s see if he’s consistent
142   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 1:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
justme says
Strategist says
Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.


Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?


Sure. Now explain why you believe it’s a lie.


The normal way of having a discussion is that the person that makes a claim has to back it up. It is not my job to prove that Bernie did not make that statement. It is the job of Strategist to provide a solid reference to Bernie making such a statement.

As a side note, I might ask Goran_K if he subcribes to the notion, seemingly most popular among right-wingers, that "you can't prove a negative"?
143   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 1:44pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

justme says
The normal way of having a discussion is that the person that makes a claim has to back it up. It is not my job to prove that Bernie dd not make that statement. It is the job of Stragist to provide a solid reference to Bernie making such a statement.

The original assertion by strategist is an example of a lazy hyperbolic statement. There is some truth to the idea that socialists value equality more than rugged individualists. However, the idea that Bernie would favor everybody making zero to what we have now is clearly ridiculous. The sheer number of times he asked for a living wage of $15/hr is proof enough for me that the statement is false. Any discussion worth reading would be based on whether or not a $15/hr minimum wage would be helpful or would backfire.
144   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 1:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

justme says
The normal way of having a discussion is that the person that makes a claim has to back it up. It is not my job to prove that Bernie dd not make that statement. It is the job of Stragist to provide a solid reference to Bernie making such a statement.


Sure, but in the interest of generating debate, why don't you challenge his points and point out where there is dishonesty? Wouldn't that be more fun?
145   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 1:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Whoa Goran will have to ban you for doing that he said it’s bigly against the rules


What is against the rules?
146   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 2:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
Whoa Goran will have to ban you for doing that he said it’s bigly against the rules


What is against the rules?


Thought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?
147   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 2:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

errc says
Thought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?


I allowed you to drag out and post a comment where someone named Ironman called Obama a racial slur and allowed that to be posted and discussed through numerous posts.

Here, Sniper is asking you a question, and making a point about your previous vicious racial slurs towards me and my wife.

I'm just trying to be even handed here.

Of course I could delete all of your posts about Ironman's racial slur, and also Sniper's comments about your racist tirade as well.

Which way do you think would be preferable?
148   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 2:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
Thought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?


I allowed you to drag out and post a comment where someone named Ironman called Obama a racial slur and allowed that to be posted and discussed through numerous posts.

Here, Sniper is asking you a question, and making a point about your previous vicious racial slurs towards me and my wife.

I'm just trying to be even handed here.

Of course I could delete all of your posts about Ironman's racial slur, and also Sniper's comments about your racist tirade as well.

Which way do you think would be preferable?


Yea except you’re lying I didn’t take a post from uncivil jail and repost it to the mains. You were calling me a liar and asked for the proof!

We’re you just baiting me to break your rules?

Why do you feel the need to keep being so dishonest?
149   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 2:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Yea except you’re lying I didn’t take a post from uncivil jail and repost it to the mains. You were calling me a liar and asked for the proof!

We’re you just baiting me to break your rules?

Why do you feel the need to keep being so dishonest?


No I gave you a one time exception because I didn't believe you that Patrick would leave that type of comment up, and I was right, the comment was zapped.

Since I gave you a one-time exception, I think it fair to give one to Sniper.

(Please no more posting errrc's openly vicious racist tirade anymore though Sniper, if you could, thanks)
150   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 2:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
Yea except you’re lying I didn’t take a post from uncivil jail and repost it to the mains. You were calling me a liar and asked for the proof!

We’re you just baiting me to break your rules?

Why do you feel the need to keep being so dishonest?


No I gave you a one time exception because I didn't believe you that Patrick would leave that type of comment up, and I was right, the comment was zapped.

Since I gave you a one-time exception, I think it fair to give one to Sniper.

(Please no more posting errrc's openly vicious racist tirade anymore though Sniper, if you could, thanks)


Again with the lying.

Patrick never censored the post where Sniper/Ironman called Obama a nigger. All of his posts were scrubbed wheN Patrick banned him for trolling his site with personal attacks 24/7.

This is provable. Simply ask @Patrick to confirm that he removed the post in question for being uncivil, and I’ll retract the accusations that you are lying.

Simple enough
151   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 2:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Sure, but in the interest of generating debate, why don't you challenge his points and point out where there is dishonesty? Wouldn't that be more fun?


I'm not here to "generate debate". I'm here to find the correct information and dismiss and/or debunk the false information.

And by the way, your statement about wanting to "generate debate" is diametrically opposed to what you said in MY thread, where you stated that

Goran_K says
I've never cared much about volume.
152   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 2:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says

Again with the lying.

Patrick never censored the post where Sniper/Ironman called Obama a nigger. All of his posts were scrubbed wheN Patrick banned him for trolling his site with personal attacks 24/7.

This is provable. Simply ask @Patrick to confirm that he removed the post in question for being uncivil, and I’ll retract the accusations that you are lying.

Simple enough


If Patrick confirms what you're saying is correct about the Obama N-word comment, then of course I'll admit I was wrong. But in the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal to me, but thanks for your efforts.

I hope we can both agree that openly vicious racism is extremely hateful and the person who would use racism to hurt other people is probably a person who lacks moral character.
153   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 2:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

justme says
And by the way, your statement about wanting to "generate debate" is diametrically opposed to what you said in MY thread, where you stated that


Yes, I want quality over volume. Right now what is happening here, between us, is just volume. I don't really think it helps the website.
154   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 2:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says

Again with the lying.

Patrick never censored the post where Sniper/Ironman called Obama a nigger. All of his posts were scrubbed wheN Patrick banned him for trolling his site with personal attacks 24/7.

This is provable. Simply ask @Patrick to confirm that he removed the post in question for being uncivil, and I’ll retract the accusations that you are lying.

Simple enough


If Patrick confirms what you're saying is correct about the Obama N-word comment, then of course I'll admit I was wrong. But in the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal to me, but thanks for your efforts.

I hope we can both agree that openly vicious racism is extremely hateful and the person who would use racism to hurt other people is probably a person who lacks moral character.


If you’re open to the possibility that you are wrong, why did you default by calling me a liar?

I’m confident you won’t find an honest person to agree with you that you can both act that way and except nor request, civility.

If you want civility, you’re going to have to lead by example
155   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 2:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

errc says

If you’re open to the possibility that you are wrong, why did you default by calling me a liar?

I’m confident you won’t find an honest person to agree with you that you can both act that way and except nor request, civility.

If you want civility, you’re going to have to lead by example


I never called your a liar. I simply said I don't believe the post was left up, and I was right.
156   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 2:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says

If you’re open to the possibility that you are wrong, why did you default by calling me a liar?

I’m confident you won’t find an honest person to agree with you that you can both act that way and except nor request, civility.

If you want civility, you’re going to have to lead by example


I never called your a liar. I simply said I don't believe the post was left up, and I was right.


You suggested that Patrick removed it

You were wrong

Patrick banned Ironman/Sniper for taking his crusade of disrupting the forum and harassing the free thinking posters, off the web and into the real world. All of his posts were scrubbed in the banning. Including the post where Sniper/Ironman called the President a nigger.

Ironman/Sniper was such an egregious offender, that the post didn’t even register as abnormal.

For all I know, maybe Patrick is ok with people calling Obama a nigger on his site. That, I cannot speak to.
157   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 2:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
justme says
And by the way, your statement about wanting to "generate debate" is diametrically opposed to what you said in MY thread, where you stated that

Goran_K says
I've never cared much about volume.



Yes, I want quality over volume. Right now what is happening here, between us, is just volume. I don't really think it helps the website.


I disagree. It sure as heck is not just volume. Pointing out the shortcomings and self-contradictions of an omnipotent moderator is QUALITY, and to borrow a humorous phrase, quality of the BELTFED variety. Nothing is more important than taking the moderators to task when they do wrong, as you have (IMO) done. Moderation by an omnipotent moderator has been an unmitigated disaster. That is my opinion.
158   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 14, 2:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
So you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?


I never saw him post that. I'm sure Patrick deleted it if that did happen.


See you said you were sure

“if” that did happen, which is another way of calling me a liar.
159   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 3:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

justme says
I disagree. It sure as heck is not just volume. Pointing out the shortcomings and self-contradictions of an omnipotent moderator is QUALITY, and to borrow a phrase, quality of the BELTFED variety. Nothing is more important than taking the moderators to task when they do wrong, as you have (IMO) done. Moderation by an omnipotent moderator has been an unmitigated disaster. That is my opinion.


I'm not sure moderation has had zero effect. Just look at how civil your post was. I'm impressed to be honest, and you got your point across. Good job.
160   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 3:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
I'm not sure moderation has had zero effect. Just look at how civil your post was. I'm impressed to be honest, and you got your point across. Good job.


My recent comment was no more and maybe even slightly less "civil" than the comment I posted that you banned me for, and that the crowd-censors jailed me for. So, yeah, some progress has been made, not because of omnipotent moderation, but rather in spite of omnipotent moderation.

But the fact remains that omnipotent moderation and mob-based prosecution must be stopped.

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