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15 Roidy   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 13, 9:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

Gentle Reader,

Can we hope that Hizzonor The Most High President Pouty-Poo will enlist?

Regards,
Roidy
16 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 5:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

@Patrick, in an attempt to help you reach your goal of cleaning up the site, I tried to mark posts 5,7,8 as uncivil as they are aimed at attacking a person rather than an idea, and can be deemed uncivil as their intent is to be inflammatory, but the uncivil button is gone. What gives?
17 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 5:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

errc says
@Patrick, in an attempt to help you reach your goal of cleaning up the site, I tried to mark posts 5,7,8 as uncivil as they are aimed at attacking a person rather than an idea, and can be deemed uncivil as their intent is to be inflammatory, but the uncivil button is gone. What gives?


You’ve abused the uncivil button recently by placing too many civil post into jail, so your access has been temporarily removed. Next time don’t abuse it.
18 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 6:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

Goran_K says
errc says
@Patrick, in an attempt to help you reach your goal of cleaning up the site, I tried to mark posts 5,7,8 as uncivil as they are aimed at attacking a person rather than an idea, and can be deemed uncivil as their intent is to be inflammatory, but the uncivil button is gone. What gives?


You’ve abused the uncivil button recently by placing too many civil post into jail, so your access has been temporarily removed. Next time don’t abuse it.


That’s actually a lie. I’ve only ever marked uncivil posts as uncivil. You’re just blinded by your partisanship. Don’t make uncivil posts if you don’t want them flagged as being uncivil. Next time, park your partisanship at the door before incorrectly assigning someone to your preconceived notions. In short, be smarter
19 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 6:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Goran_K says
errc says
@Patrick, in an attempt to help you reach your goal of cleaning up the site, I tried to mark posts 5,7,8 as uncivil as they are aimed at attacking a person rather than an idea, and can be deemed uncivil as their intent is to be inflammatory, but the uncivil button is gone. What gives?


You’ve abused the uncivil button recently by placing too many civil post into jail, so your access has been temporarily removed. Next time don’t abuse it.


That’s actually a lie. I’ve only ever marked uncivil posts as uncivil. You’re just blinded by your partisanship. Don’t make uncivil posts if you don’t want them flagged as being uncivil. Next time, park your partisanship at the door before incorrectly assigning someone to your preconceived notions. In short, be smarter
20 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 6:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

Goran_K says
errc says
@Patrick, in an attempt to help you reach your goal of cleaning up the site, I tried to mark posts 5,7,8 as uncivil as they are aimed at attacking a person rather than an idea, and can be deemed uncivil as their intent is to be inflammatory, but the uncivil button is gone. What gives?


You’ve abused the uncivil button recently by placing too many civil post into jail, so your access has been temporarily removed. Next time don’t abuse it.


It’s amazing that you can find the time to answer questions directed to someone else, but can’t be bothered to answer questions asked if you directly. Why do you think that is?
21 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 6:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

What questions?
22 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 6:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

Goran_K says
What questions?


You’ve dodged too many to list, and you’re not going to waste my time trying to troll me. Go back and read the threads, i know you’ve seen the questions and intentionally dodged answering them, I’m sure it’s because you know that answering them honestly makes you look bad.
23 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 6:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote        

I can’t answer a question if you refuse to post the question. In my Venezuela thread I answered all of your questions so I’m not sure which questions I dodged.
24 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 7:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

Goran_K says
I can’t answer a question if you refuse to post the question. In my Venezuela thread I answered all of your questions so I’m not sure which questions I dodged.


Stop lying

I asked “who is ‘the old Iwog crew’ “

You answered “Don’t worry about it if you don’t know. Just keep it civil, I’m pleading with you guys. I don’t like banning people.”

That’s not an answer, that’s you dodging a question for no good reason other than to be uncivil. Civility requires good faith that if you’re going to assert something then you should answer to it.

Why did you say it if you can’t explain who you were referring to?
25 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 14, 7:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

errc says
I asked “who is ‘the old Iwog crew’ “

You answered “Don’t worry about it if you don’t know.


Does that question really need to be answered? You've been here many years, you should already know who the iwog fanboys are.
26 jvolstad   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 9:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

As long as they don't recruit Realtor's.
27 WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 9:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
@Patrick, in an attempt to help you reach your goal of cleaning up the site, I tried to mark posts 5,7,8 as uncivil as they are aimed at attacking a person rather than an idea, and can be deemed uncivil as their intent is to be inflammatory, but the uncivil button is gone. What gives?

I don't have a dog in the fight @Patrick but @errc is right on these comments if we're going to take the rules as stated. I actually found Strat's post pretty funny on this thread, so I don't personally mind them, but we're on a slippery slop here. Can there be a humor element to it? Probably not. I don't interpret this as Strat "attacking" Dan or Jazz, and I think they would admit that. But when taking the comments at their face value, it could be considered an attack by an outsider that hasn't read this forum.

We're fully engulfed in the dark underbelly of moderation. I'm not sure what the other side looks like, but these comments are a perfect example of a gray area.
28 Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 9:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote        

WookieMan says
I don't have a dog in the fight @Patrick but @errc is right on these comments if we're going to take the rules as stated. I actually found Strat's post pretty funny on this thread, so I don't personally mind them, but we're on a slippery slop here. Can there be a humor element to it? Probably not. I don't interpret this as Strat "attacking" Dan or Jazz, and I think they would admit that. But when taking the comments at their face value, it could be considered an attack by an outsider that hasn't read this forum.

We're fully engulfed in the dark underbelly of moderation. I'm not sure what the other side looks like, but these comments are a perfect example of a gray area.


Patrick gave a clearer description of what he expected in moderating comments. It's not zero tolerance any longer. A few "off color" comments can go, but if it becomes back and forth attacks, they are followed by warnings, deletions, and then bans.

I'm not a mod here, so whoever handles #misc would be the judge in this case.
29 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 7:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

jvolstad says
As long as they don't recruit Realtor's.


BTW, this is fine with me. Not an insult to other users. And I really don't like realtors. Very corrupt industry.
30 WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 7:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

WookieMan says
slippery slop

Ha! Dumb ass wookie.
31 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2017 Nov 14, 7:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

How much do you want to train someone to jam a bayonet through a raghead's face?
32 Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 9:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says
How much do you want to train someone to jam a bayonet through a raghead's face?


Dont\'t think you would need much training. Just offer a $50.00 reward, and you would have a whole industry spring up.
33 APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE   ignore (5)   2017 Nov 14, 11:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says

Dont\'t think you would need much training. Just offer a $50.00 reward, and you would have a whole industry spring up.


Or charge people for the chance to KILL! RAGHEADS! on AVENGE! 9/11! tours.
34 Quigley   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 15, 6:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I think next they should recruit geezers with a death wish. These old guys are cranky as fuck and would relish the chance to kill a few “Millennial hajjis” before the Grim Spectre pinches their ticket.
How about it, Boomers? Instead of sitting back and leeching our government dry while you cheer on ever more wars for stupid reasons in countries nobody gives a shit about, you join up and put your ass on the line like the millennials you like to harass?
35 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 15, 7:55am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Quigley says
How about it, Boomers? Instead of sitting back and leeching our government dry while you cheer on ever more wars for stupid reasons in countries nobody gives a shit about, you join up and put your ass on the line like the millennials you like to harass?


Really??

You think the Boomers are leeching our government dry? You don't get out much do you?

The boomers are the ones paying the bills so you can sit in mommy's basement and play video games and post on Patnet all day.
36 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 15, 2:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says
so you can sit in mommy's basement and play video games


It's going "parabolic".

37 WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 15, 5:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Not saying the map you posted is not true, but the headline to the map is completely misleading. Unless you're homeless, 100% of people live at "home." Is there a link to who made this map? I have a hard time believing the data with such an idiotic headline.
38 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 15, 6:51pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

WookieMan says
Not saying the map you posted is not true, but the headline to the map is completely misleading. Unless you're homeless, 100% of people live at "home."


Did you miss the SECOND line, "Percentage of 18 to 34 Year Olds Living in Their Parents' Home", that seemed clear to me?

WookieMan says
Is there a link to who made this map? I have a hard time believing the data with such an idiotic headline.


A quick Google search:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/percentage-of-young-americans-living-with-their-parents-is-40-percent-a-75-year-high/
http://time.com/money/4608925/living-parents-americans-millennials/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/20/third-american-millennials-live-with-their-parents-us-census-report-finds.html
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/330279-more-millennials-living-with-parents


Here's a hint, Google is your friend. There are a bunch more.
39 FortWayne   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 15, 6:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

So liberals are now acceptable in the army I see
40 Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 15, 7:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says
Strategist says

Dont\'t think you would need much training. Just offer a $50.00 reward, and you would have a whole industry spring up.


Or charge people for the chance to KILL! RAGHEADS! on AVENGE! 9/11! tours.


That's a great way of getting rich. How come I did not think of that?
In the Middle East, most ragheads are killed by other ragheads. It's only fair we get a commission.
41 Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 15, 8:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says


The chart says a lot in the 10 years between 2005 and 2015.
My view.....Age 18 should not be the magic number that determines when a child needs to fly the nest. Times have changed. If they are gonna go for further education or some kind of training, they will be more dependent on you until the 20's. Doctors can easily be in training till 30.
The magic number should be when the kid is completely done with education, working, and saves up enough to get their own home.
42 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 15, 9:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
My view.....Age 18 should not be the magic number that determines when a child needs to fly the nest.


I agree, they don't have their act together yet.

Strategist says
If they are gonna go for further education or some kind of training, they will be more dependent on you until the 20's.


That should be as soon as they graduate college.

Strategist says
The magic number should be when the kid is completely done with education, working, and saves up enough to get their own home.


Unfortunately, that's a problem (and why that chart has grown). They CAN'T save for their own home, so that's why they're living with mommy and daddy into their 30's. They need to leave right after college and go rent. There isn't a better motivator to improve and advance in your job than having to deal with a landlord that's NOT mom and dad.
43 Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 16, 7:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Sniper says
Strategist says
The magic number should be when the kid is completely done with education, working, and saves up enough to get their own home.


Unfortunately, that's a problem (and why that chart has grown). They CAN'T save for their own home, so that's why they're living with mommy and daddy into their 30's. They need to leave right after college and go rent. There isn't a better motivator to improve and advance in your job than having to deal with a landlord that's NOT mom and dad.


If they don't take advantage of living at home to save up for a down payment, and just fritter away their paycheck, they deserve to be kicked out. No point in feeding a bad habit.
44 Quigley   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 16, 8:08am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Living in mom and dad’s basement? More like refitting one of the rooms in my house so they can move in with me. You know, since they didn’t plan for retirement and can’t possibly maintain a household on SS alone. When my dad can’t work anymore they’ll have to live somewhere.

I’m mostly referring to the government pensions that Boomers awarded themselves which are on track to bankrupt state after state after city. And Daddy Trump is going to help them do it because Boomers are his strongest supporters.

And as for the idea of kicking out your kids at 18... maybe you were a shitty dad who thinks of kids as just a burden one must tolerate as a result of having sex. I think of my kids as a blessing, family, and friends for life. If they need help getting started, I’m going to do what I can, whether that means paying for college, giving them a place to live, or paying for a few peripherals to allow them to succeed, I’ll do it. My kids are my life and I would never kick them out.
45 Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 16, 8:42am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Quigley says
Living in mom and dad’s basement? More like refitting one of the rooms in my house so they can move in with me. You know, since they didn’t plan for retirement and can’t possibly maintain a household on SS alone. When my dad can’t work anymore they’ll have to live somewhere.

I’m mostly referring to the government pensions that Boomers awarded themselves which are on track to bankrupt state after state after city. And Daddy Trump is going to help them do it because Boomers are his strongest supporters.

And as for the idea of kicking out your kids at 18... maybe you were a shitty dad who thinks of kids as just a burden one must tolerate as a result of having sex. I think of my kids as a blessing, family, and friends for life. If they need help getting started, I’m going to do what I can, whether that means paying for college, giving them a place to live, or paying for a few peripherals to allow them to succeed, I’ll do it. My kids are my life and I would never kick them out.


The basic idea is to prepare your child to thrive in a competitive world. As long as they are moving in the right direction, you can help them in any possible way. What happens if the adult child now decides to be a bum and goof off all day long? At that point you need to kick his butt if you want to be a good dad.
46 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 16, 9:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
The basic idea is to prepare your child to thrive in a competitive world. As long as they are moving in the right direction, you can help them in any possible way. What happens if the adult child now decides to be a bum and goof off all day long? At that point you need to kick his butt if you want to be a good dad.


There, someone who gets it.

Quigley says
And as for the idea of kicking out your kids at 18... maybe you were a shitty dad who thinks of kids as just a burden one must tolerate as a result of having sex. I think of my kids as a blessing, family, and friends for life. If they need help getting started, I’m going to do what I can, whether that means paying for college, giving them a place to live, or paying for a few peripherals to allow them to succeed, I’ll do it. My kids are my life and I would never kick them out.


There, someone who DOESN'T get it. Your kids will be one of the 37%. I hope you have a big basement.
47 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 16, 9:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Strategist says
Unfortunately, that's a problem (and why that chart has grown). They CAN'T save for their own home, so that's why they're living with mommy and daddy into their 30's. They need to leave right after college and go rent. There isn't a better motivator to improve and advance in your job than having to deal with a landlord that's NOT mom and dad.


If they don't take advantage of living at home to save up for a down payment, and just fritter away their paycheck, they deserve to be kicked out. No point in feeding a bad habit.


It gets even worse. I know boomers (way to many) who, not only are giving their adult kids a place to live rent free, but they're still paying the kids cell phone, car payment AND giving them an allowance.

That's called "Enabling".
48 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 16, 9:19am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Quigley says
And as for the idea of kicking out your kids at 18... maybe you were a shitty dad who thinks of kids as just a burden one must tolerate as a result of having sex.


I was a shitty dad. I made my kids pay their car insurance and gas for it. They paid for their cell phone bill. They paid for the bulk of their college costs or took loans.

Nobody got a trophy for participation in my house. You want a trophy, go do something to earn it? I had another rule, "Don't TELL me what you're going to do, SHOW me with actions". That's really mean, right?

As soon as they graduated college, if they wanted to live at home, they started to pay rent. The rent payments continually escalated until they finally got the hint to move on with their life.

Here's another example of how mean I was. I have 3 Millennials, each one at some point were kicked out of the house twice for bad behavior or not following my wishes. I actually changed the locks each time on the house to make a point so they couldn't get back in.

Guess what that teached them, taking PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for their actions. That's a novel concept today, isn't it?

The problem with parents today is that want to be their kid's best friend, instead of being a PARENT and preparing them for adult hood.

Which one are you, their best friend or parent?
49 HEY YOU   ignore (6)   2017 Nov 16, 10:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Republicans' great start at destroying American's military.
5 time Draft Dodger needs bodies to fight.
Let the sons & daughters of other parents die.
How many Trumps have served & fought to protect our Constitution & country?
How dumb are Rep/Cons to risk their lives for cowards?
50 Quigley   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 16, 10:54am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says

The problem with parents today is that want to be their kid's best friend, instead of being a PARENT and preparing them for adult hood


Do they ever call you?
Seems like you have a lot of time to yourself to post here.

Simply forcing kids to grow up fast isn’t all there is. Teaching them to be responsible and kind to others is more important. Building ingrained toughness can be done by encouraging them to try things they aren’t great at, things with a high degree of failure. After all, the most successful people are the ones who can fail over and over again and keep trying until they succeed.

Also, success doesn’t mean just money and things. To me, success is also community, and if you can’t manage to live in community with your own children, it’s not their fault, it’s yours.
51 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 16, 11:16am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Quigley says
Do they ever call you?


It's worse than that, they moved back to the state and bought a house within 2 miles of us. They're over here (with my grandkids) all the time. And guess what, we actually have a "time out" corner that's been used for the grandkids a few times. Isn't that being really mean?

Yet, those grandkids want to come over ALL the time and never want to leave. Such mean grandparents... Following rules and being Personally Responsible for your actions needs to start at a very young age.

Quigley says
Simply forcing kids to grow up fast isn’t all there is. Teaching them to be responsible and kind to others is more important.


Wouldn't that be considered "growing up"?

Quigley says
Building ingrained toughness can be done by encouraging them to try things they aren’t great at, things with a high degree of failure. After all, the most successful people are the ones who can fail over and over again and keep trying until they succeed.


I agree 150%, they HAVE to fail at some things to learn. But, shielding your kids under your wing and not letting them fail (which MANY parents do today) is the worse thing to happen. We ALWAYS told our kids to try, and if you fail, you get back up, learn and move on.

Quigley says
Also, success doesn’t mean just money and things.


That was something ingrained in my kids. As a matter of fact, we made them pay for upgraded personal items, so they could learn the value of money. Example: if they needed new sneakers, I would pay for standard Converse or Adidas, but if they "needed" Reebok Pumps, they had to come up with the difference.

Success in our house was accomplishing your goals, no matter what they were. Money didn't play into it.

Quigley says
To me, success is also community,


Which is why both of my sons are Eagle Scouts. They gave back YYUUGGEEELy to the community. I was also a Scoutmaster for many years and gave on average, 20 to 30 hours a week to the program, for FREE, I never got paid a cent for all that time.

Quigley says
if you can’t manage to live in community with your own children, it’s not their fault, it’s yours.


There were many times my kids hated me when they were teenagers, because I wouldn't let them do the same things Johnny's parents let him do. But guess what, as adults, their spouses have told me on the side how glad my kids were to be raised in that environment, because it's help them in their adult years with their careers, relationships, building their families, etc.

If you're afraid to be a "parent", that's a major injustice to the kids.
52 Quigley   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 16, 11:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I guess the difference is, I don’t want my kids to be struggling against me. I make rules and I stick to them very tightly! But I also explain the reasons for them, that they are in place to help us be safe and healthy and accomplish our daily goals. So no staying up until 11PM eating candy and playing video games on a school night, for instance.

The world will offer them plenty of challenges. I want to be their coach, offering rules, strategy, advice, and a home team. Their struggle shouldn’t be against me, but against the world and their own internal limitations.
53 Sniper   ignore (8)   2017 Nov 16, 1:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Quigley says
I guess the difference is, I don’t want my kids to be struggling against me.


Quigley says
The world will offer them plenty of challenges. I want to be their coach, offering rules, strategy, advice, and a home team.


Who said anything about making it a struggle against you. The BEST thing you can do is be as tough and FAIR as you can be, so they are prepared for anything life throws at them in the real world. They might not always like your decisions, but like I said above, your FIRST job is to be a parent, NOT their friend. To shelter and protect them because you want to appear "nice", will hurt them in the future.

Case in point. My daughter -in - law is causing all types of issues with my grandkids, because she can't say "no" to them. So the kids run roughshod over her, and she has very little control over them.

To sit and watch a 3 year old, when mom wants her cell phone back from them, tell mom 'no", and mom ends up walking away, allowing the 3 year old to win, is a HUGE problem for the future. When my son comes home from work at night, he has to try and un-do all the crap she allowed to go on during the day.
54 Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 16, 3:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says
It's worse than that, they moved back to the state and bought a house within 2 miles of us. They're over here (with my grandkids) all the time. And guess what, we actually have a "time out" corner that's been used for the grandkids a few times. Isn't that being really mean?

Yet, those grandkids want to come over ALL the time and never want to leave. Such mean grandparents


That's horrible. I would move.

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