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Majority of College Educated Dems are Hormone/Genital Denialists

By TwoScoopsMcGee following x   2017 Nov 14, 9:42am 547 views   30 comments   watch   quote     share    





#Politics #Gender #AntiSexualReproductionTheory
1 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 10:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

This question is so vague that it practically screams to get a response this way. If you take it literally, it is quite meaningless. Genetically, most people are XY or XX. In reality, there are also XXX, XXY, and XYY people born. These people do not fit a neat definition of male or female. There are also people with not normal genetalia, and that seems to go on a scale. Once you move beyond those issues, you will find that even if you take a group of people with fairly normal genetic and genetal makeup, you will still find hormone levels are all over the place rather than being binary. A cursory look at female athletes, dudes with manboobs, and women with facial hair will demonstrate that.

Personally, I don't understand the desire to switch genders, and don't think that it's something that people ought to 'choose' as if there were no biological category. But I'm happy to go along with what they want if they and their shrinks seem to think that is what is best for them.
What I don't understand is the right's infatuation with the topic. From my perspective, it sure seems like the religious leaders are using it to show how godless, inferior, and lacking of morals the non-religious and liberal crowd is. That solidifies their (church leaders) position as the one true light that the sheep should follow.

The Russian trolls probably love this issue as much as the BLM issue, because it further divides the electorate. You think our leaders want to divide and conquer, what do you think other nation states want? Do they want a happy unified country that supports their government, or a country full of hatred and squabbling?
2 Tenpoundbass   ignore (6)   2017 Nov 14, 10:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Bones don't lie, it's a shame they quit teaching Biology in School.
3 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 10:12am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Why do some people view trans issues as so important?

Is it a desire to be pegged by a tranny, or to blow one?

As a Freedom loving American, this is so far down the list of important issues that it doesn’t even register.

It seems to be near top the list of many SJWs
4 WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 14, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
What I don't understand is the right's infatuation with the topic. From my perspective, it sure seems like the religious leaders are using it to show how godless, inferior, and lacking of morals the non-religious and liberal crowd is. That solidifies their (church leaders) position as the one true light that the sheep should follow.

I'm not sure I would categorize this as a religious or non-religious topic. People (not you) that deny genders exist as a basic M or F fact, in 99% of the population, are complete and utter morons. I don't disagree religious leaders may use it as propaganda, but who the hell wouldn't? It's easier then taking candy from a baby.

There are anomalies in all data sets. The people with deformities or strange genitalia mutations are just that, anomalies. While they should be treated as equals and not hurt because of their differences, they by no means should get to dictate that there are more than 2 genders. That's just not logical.
5 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
you will still find hormone levels are all over the place rather than being binary

Yeah that's all very well, there 2 clear clusters.
6 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 11:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

I agree that there are 2 clear clusters, and that some vast majority are clearly men or women / boys or girls. That all seems rather obvious. I just don't think that's enough information to specify an answer to the polling question.
7 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 12:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
Why do some people view trans issues as so important?


I don't know. Some people think that it's a major human rights violation not to have transgender safe bathrooms, or to change the law allowing self-appointed members of one gender into the bathrooms of another.

The real problem is the US has so much equality under the law, that those who seek to display MORAL RIGHTEOUSNESS!!! must continually press at the extreme margins to find something to bitch about. They also want pre-pubescent children to have the right to take hormones and get complicated, invasive elective surgeries (ironically while many of them are opposing circumcision, tattoos, and piercings which are far less invasive, safer, reversible/removable, and the former even has major health benefits).

This is going to cause so much pain and heartache, it's going to be unbelievable. Many Cluster B parents are going to engage in Transtrender Virtual Signalling for Peer Group Accolades and pressure their kids to get sex changes.

Also, many same people who act like it's a New Holocaust not to re-write the laws for self-appointed bathroom access by 0.1-0.35% of the population, sneer at millions of underemployed rustbelters wishing them death by narcotics.

Oh well, a segment of the snotty Petit Bourgeois have been virtue signalling this since they found "Breast Meat" luche and salacious, preferring "White Meat" instead.
8 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
errc says
Why do some people view trans issues as so important?


I don't know. Some people think that it's a major human rights violation not to have transgender safe bathrooms, or to change the law allowing self-appointed members of one gender into the bathrooms of another.

The real problem is the US has so much equality under the law, that those who seek to display MORAL RIGHTEOUSNESS!!! must continually press at the extreme margins to find something to bitch about.



I thought equality under the law was a right guaranteed by the Constitution?

But I agree that Christian SJWs thrusting their moral righteousness into our government and onto our People, is the gravest of tragedies
9 FP   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 12:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Aren't the words "man" and "woman" defined in the dictionary?

if there is a need for additional terms (words) then the dictionary should be expanded, rather than fight to redefine existing terms.
10 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 12:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Heraclitusstudent says
Yeah that's all very well, there 2 clear clusters.


Yes, it's called Sexual Reproduction, a biological fact.

However, it's at odds with Blank Slate Theories of "Everything is Social Conditioning", so the idea that the vast, vast majority are "heteronormative" and this that Nature/Biology both desires and normalizes this is a major threat to their Belief System.

Ergo, Hormone/Genital Denialism. Must save the Blank Slate Theory, so humans can be perfected into New Soviet Man Reborn in the Blood of Christ Social Justice Utopianism.

Denial of Human Primates being encapsulated in the pressures of Sexual Selection/Sexual Reproduction, with the occasional outlier from CIS-GENDER NORMALITY, is to Blank Slaters what Young Earth Creationism is to "God did it" types (or what Psychology/Neuroscience is to the concept of "Evil" and the "Ghost in the Machine".)

Same reason lesbian feminists loathe EvoPsych.
11 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 12:30pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
But I agree that Christian SJWs thrusting their moral righteousness into our government and onto our People, is the gravest of tragedies


Extreme Christians were the threat 20, 30 years ago.

They never had the reach into Academia, and increasingly, Corporate HR and Employee Policies, like Social Justice Warriors do.

Extreme Christianity is a rapidly fading power; SJWism is not.

Toxic Masculinity and Whiteness is the D&D and Heavy Metal Music of today.

SUICIDE SOLUTION, DO IT, DO IT!

PRETEEN GENDER REASSIGNMENT, DO IT, DO IT!

Diversity Advocates are the Satanic Cult Investigators of 2017.

A Moral Panic.
12 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 12:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

TwoScoopsMcGee says
errc says
But I agree that Christian SJWs thrusting their moral righteousness into our government and onto our People, is the gravest of tragedies


Extreme Christians were the threat 20, 30 years ago.

They never had the reach into Academia, and increasingly, Corporate HR and Employee Policies, like Social Justice Warriors do.

Extreme Christianity is a rapidly fading power; SJWism is not.


Ah, but they did have immense influence in government and politics. If your claim is true that the OG SJWs are a fading power, can you link to any of their UnAmerican laws have been repealed?
13 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 12:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
I agree that there are 2 clear clusters, and that some vast majority are clearly men or women / boys or girls. That all seems rather obvious. I just don't think that's enough information to specify an answer to the polling question.


That's how many people interpret the question. I agree not a very good question.
Then there are people (on both sides) who answer it based on how they think society should be organized.

My take is: in order to think clearly, you need to use concepts and language that match the clear clusters.

Respect the outliers. Respect individuals. But don't twist the entire society and concept/language so that they don't feel outliers.
14 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 12:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Heraclitusstudent says

My take is: in order to think clearly,

I think that you need to use carefully crafted questions, or accept that you are not measuring anything useful. When asked questions like that, I generally refuse to answer, which just irritates the person running the survey. 2 scoops is trying to read too much into it.

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Many Cluster B parents are going to engage in Transtrender Virtual Signalling for Peer Group Accolades and pressure their kids to get sex changes.
If this ever becomes a thing, I would agree it would be a problem. IDK what cluster B parents are, but this seems like a big made up issue designed to get people on your team all worked up. Many parents might be pressured (by their friends or the kids counselor) into 'supporting' their kid in some situations, but I seriously doubt that parents are convincing their kids to go down this road.
15 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 1:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
2 scoops is trying to read too much into it.

He is reading political narratives.
This entire question of trans people is brought up by the left as the next fight after gay marriages.
An other distraction, dividing the vulgum pecus, while laws are being bought.

But really a deeply confused and silly fight.
When you see laws like in Canada where wrong pronoun usage is criminalized, you have to say these people are lost.
We have pronouns defined in an emergent and useful way. We don't need to fight that top-down.
16 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 1:27pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

That, and identity politics.
Symptoms of a political left sinking into the swamp.
17 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 1:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Why not strike a deal and keep it simple. People born with male reproductive parts use the men’s room, and people born with female reproductive parts use the ladies room?
18 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 1:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Heraclitusstudent says
That, and identity politics.
Symptoms of a political left sinking into the swamp.
Left and right are both guilty of identity politics. I started a thread on that topic. The bathroom issue is just one example of that. I've expressed in comment 1 why the religious leaders on the right love to turn this into a culture war.
As for the left continuing to fight for the rights of minorities, they have a pretty good track record over the last 40 yrs. Today's right has conceded most of the fights and is farther to the left than even the Clintons were a quarter of a century ago. The left will probably go to far before they stop, but they have a better history than the right with regard to civil liberties. Those on the right have a 40 yr history of being wrong. It would be more than 40 yrs, but the definition of who is the right and who is the left is too vague to go back further than that.
19 Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 2:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Anybody who doesn't believe in creative gender identity needs a good face flogging with a transgender pecker.
20 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 4:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

What state run insitution demanded all non-Christians leave Campus? And complained they were being oppressed when a Professor stood up to them? And attacked that professor on campus, with the blessing of his PhD peers?

What Fortune 500 Corporation endorses Christian values in their employment policy and fires those who dare suggest otherwise, in a memo?

How many public universities have extreme Christian groups, backed by a multitude of professors, demanding reparations from non-Christians, particularly Pagans, due to Arena Martyrdom and other historical injustices?

What Public Broadcasting Arm regularly promotes Christian Martyrdom and building Relationships with Jesus in every news cast?

The solution, of course, is to require Gender Studies majors to take at least 3 hard science courses in biology, neuroscience, etc. After all, you can't be an expert in Gender if you know absolutely nothing about hormones, genes, etc. But then again, science is a patriarchical institution, and, as Feminist Ingaray Luce famously said, "objectivity is male subjectivity." (along with: "Why should the speed of light be privileged over other needful speeds?")
21 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 4:23pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
Left and right are both guilty of identity politics.

I didn't read your thread on this, however I think white nationalism, like the KKK was going out of fashion and basically limited to a few nuts, until democrats insisted on identity politics for minorities as a political strategy to get a majority, largely based on the upsurge of latinos.

White nationalism and minorities identity politics are mirror images of each other. You can't coalesce one tribe without coalescing its out-group.
22 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 14, 4:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

When the President was asked on why he invaded Iraq, instead of Saudi Arabia who was responsible for 9/11, a move that would wind up costing incalculable lives, trillions of dollars, and would give rise to modern day Islamic Terrorism and ISIS:

Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former Prime Minister and now Palestinian President, that "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq', and I did."

And Bush is quoted as telling the two men, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And by God, I'm gonna do it."
23 Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 4:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

YesYNot says
I've expressed in comment 1 why the religious leaders on the right love to turn this into a culture war.

But of course. This is how tribalism works. The more you insist on imposing one idea seen as extreme, the more you bolster people with the opposite idea.
This is how politics work.
The swamp knows it well. This is how they divide us based on trivial issues - while buying our laws.

YesYNot says
As for the left continuing to fight for the rights of minorities, they have a pretty good track record over the last 40 yrs.

Nothing fails like success. They become arrogant and go too far. This is how Hitler attacked Russia.
The NYT published dozens of article on transgendered people in 2016. Then Trump got elected.
People are like "Really? This is really what you are about? You don't have anything else to talk about?"
24 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 5:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Heraclitusstudent says
White nationalism and minorities identity politics are mirror images of each other. You can't coalesce one tribe without coalescing its out-group.


Exactly. Identity Europe is simply a mirror image of Black Lives Matter. But far smaller and much less socially acceptable.

BLM: "We wuz Kangz!!!"
Identity Europa: "We wuz Vi-Kangz!!!"
25 TwoScoopsMcGee   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 14, 5:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
And Bush is quoted as telling the two men, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And by God, I'm gonna do it."


Whereas Obama allowed himself to be talked into Libya and Ukraine without any voice of God. Just Hillary, Nuland, Powers, and the other Wicked Witches of Neoliberal Internationalism.
26 NewOldUser   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 15, 12:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

2 Scoops - I see you have read Ted K's manifesto. He was a really smart guy and he nailed the whole problem with Leftists. Too bad he could not control his own mind.
27 NewOldUser   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 15, 12:24am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc - the reason why trans issues are brought up a lot is because they make the deviant behavior of vanilla queers that much more normalized by comparison.

This is a well known technique that the Left uses when they push their morally reprehensible agenda. Disgust their opposition to the point that their true victory slides by unnoticed inside the distraction.
28 P N Dr Lo R   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 15, 8:30am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

NewOldUser says
This is a well known technique that the Left uses
This all started nearly 50 years ago with the advent of the cultural/sexual revolutions which sought to overthrow traditional ideas of marriage, sexuality and any reigning taboos or stigmas pertaining to them. Thus today we have 40% out-of-wedlock births among whites and 70% plus among blacks--in the mid 60's this would have seemed both impossible and horrific. We also have an entrenched drug culture, and AIDS which was unknown before 1981. A monolithic bureaucracy of social service agencies has grown up in society's efforts to corral the human carnage caused by these pathologies. The following is an excerpt from David Horowitz's discussion of how the Left was commiserate in the spread of AIDS but also explains their theory of eliminating the idea of a normal, bourgeois society which is what all the hoopla of gender is about:

"When the “Gay Liberation” movement was born in 1969 with the Stonewall riots, its leading activists and theorists emphasized the importance of promiscuous anal sex as a behavioral repudiation of America's repressive “sex-negative” culture and its “heteronormativity” (i.e., the heterosexual and monogamous norm), as queer theorists called it. In the radical view, existing sexual norms reflected nothing about humanity’s biological experience, but were merely a social construction to preserve the privileges of a dominant group.

Like black radicals before them, gay activists rejected the idea of integration into a normally functioning civil order. Gay liberation was identified with a sexual agenda that did not seek civic tolerance, respect, and integration into the public order of bourgeois life. It was defined instead as a defiant promiscuity, the overthrow of bourgeois morals and sexual restraints -- and, consequently, of bourgeois standards"
29 HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 15, 9:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

Why do Rep/Con/Nazis DENY that their ilk are on some form of their big govt. SOCIALIST hand outs & subsidies?
Slapped down again by their hypocrisy.
These Socialists are domestic enemies taking taxes from hard working Americans.
30 YesYNot   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 15, 9:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Heraclitusstudent says
But of course. This is how tribalism works. The more you insist on imposing one idea seen as extreme, the more you bolster people with the opposite idea.
This is how politics work.

Yeah, to a degree, that's why it's hard for a party to retain the Presidency after 8 years. Last time it happened was after Reagan. That's part of why Trump won. Another part is that Trump is actually a good marketer and brander. As I said during the campaign, his skill set is well suited to running a campaign. Maybe not so good for being President.
IMO Trump's election has energized the left the same way that Obama/Clinton energized the right in 2016. That's unlikely to subside over time.

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