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Patnet and censorship: Performance Art?

By justme following x   2017 Nov 14, 11:22am 1,059 views   161 comments   watch   quote     share  


I wonder if @Patrick has just staged a piece of censorship Performance Art by instituting omnipotent censorship, under the guise of "moderation", and crowd-sourced mass-silencing (encouraging the use of the "uncivil" button) on patrick.net. The aforementioned scheme of blog control is so far removed from Patrick's former free-speech self that I am starting to wonder. Perhaps this is just an exercise in showing what happens when you give absolute power over some domain of life to ONE semi-random person, even one that otherwise professes to love liberty and freedom?

It is more than a little ironic (but should not be surprising to any serious student of human nature) that right-wingers appear to be every bit as eager to censor their opponents as they have recently been accusing the left-wingers of being. And by that I mean the last several years of talk about liberals and their desire for "safe spaces" on and off university campuses, calling them "special snowflakes", and so on.

Well, the right-wing has in recent days been out in force on Patnet, trying to enforce a "safe space" , free of "uncivility" and "NSFW" material, and acting like special snowflakes themselves. And boy, are these right-wing special snowflakes melting down Patnet in a volcanic eruption of censorship actions.

The famous 1960s psychological experiment known as the Stanford Prisoner Project comes to mind as an analogy of sorts. That experiment showed what happens when you give authority for random people to control other random people. What soon happened was not pretty. Read up on it if you want.

Finally, I will revisit and highlight a suggestion I have made several times this year:

What I would like to see is to have free speech, and at the same time avoid massive storms of low-quality comments. For a blog, I think that means to make threads and comments a limited commodity for all posters. Specifically, to limit the number of threads that a user can post on any given day to 1 or 2, and to limit how many comments every user can post on every thread to 10, or 10% of the total number of comments on the thread, whichever is larger.

The purpose of moderation should not be to censor certain forms of expression, but rather to make everyone's time (or space) on the proverbial soapbox a valuable commodity. That way, users are more likely to spend their posting currency wisely. Users who wastes their currency by posting low-quality drivel will lose esteem, or at the very least not be able to dominate the discussion based on volume posted only.

Think of it as rules of order, a very lightweight and blog-adapted version of Robert's rules of order. (By the way, a quite well-known now former pat-netter just mentioned Robert's rules just days ago, and is hereby recognized.)

PS: I very well understand the meta-question as to whether the impact of a blog, as measured by commercial value or informative value, or even political/propaganda value(!), is reduced when the number of threads or comments are somewhat limited. I think many people may think so, perhaps even Patrick himself. Personally, I will take quality over quantity any day.

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122 anon_30423   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 18, 3:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sniper says

You should really learn how to spell his name correctly.


Yes @errc you should really try to spell Goron's name correctly
123 anon_7c0c9   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 18, 3:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc, I can't post links but you can. Google: "coastal flooding" patrick.net then click the little arrow that pulls up the cached image. It proves both onvacation and Goran lied about this.
125 Sniper   ignore (7)   2017 Nov 18, 3:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
How would you know?

You only joined September 22.


Ever hear of the term, Lurker?

Top definition
lurker
A lurker is someone that follows the forum but doesn’t post.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lurker
127 anon_30423   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 18, 3:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

So who is putting the civil comments in jail today?
128 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 18, 4:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

anon_30423 says
So who is putting the civil comments in jail today?


Good question, I just looked, it seems that someone formerly known as Ironman is #triggered bigly. Seems someone hit a nerve
129 anon_30423   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 18, 4:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
anon_30423 says
So who is putting the civil comments in jail today?


Good question, I just looked, it seems that someone formerly known as Ironman is #triggered bigly. Seems someone hit a nerve
must be the wife comments, those were the first to go.
130 anon_30423   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 18, 4:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

errc says
#triggered bigly.


Looks like he jailed one of his own comments to throw us off the trail.
131 errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 18, 4:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote        

anon_30423 says
errc says
anon_30423 says
So who is putting the civil comments in jail today?


Good question, I just looked, it seems that someone formerly known as Ironman is #triggered bigly. Seems someone hit a nerve
must be the wife comments, those were the first to go.


Ever since Patrick came in and told Goron that he never censored Ironman/Sniper comment where he called Obama a nigger boy, they’ve been on a meltdown. Rather than just be true to his word and admitting he was wrong, and apologizing for falsely accusing someone for lying. It’s typical behavior of right wingers
132 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 18, 4:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Why does there have to be a 'trail'?
Why not random patio squares?
anon_30423 says
Looks like he jailed one of his own comments to throw us off the trail.
133 FortWayne   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 18, 9:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

What happened to iwog?

anon_25c83 says
FortWayne says
You are the forums favorite poster AF.


Naw that was iwog before he got stabbed in the back and left. By the numbers, AF is 3rd.
134 anon_ba5d3   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 18, 9:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says
What happened to iwog?


Iwog has left the building
135 anon_25c83   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 18, 9:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says
What happened to iwog?


Thrown under the bus so the Trump people could run the agenda.
136 Fucking White Male   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 18, 9:43pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_25c83 says
FortWayne says
What happened to iwog?


Thrown under the bus so the Trump people could run the agenda.


Incorrect.

He loudly proclaimed his departure, but comes back and posts anon.
137 anon_25c83   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 18, 9:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
He loudly proclaimed his departure, but comes back and posts anon.


Yeah but somehow he's been cloned in 8 or more simultaneous users. It's pretty amazing to see especially when goran starts trolling all of them.
138 anon_fbcfa   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 18, 10:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_25c83 says
Yeah but somehow he's been cloned in 8 or more simultaneous users.


This is the last time I'm going to tell you. I'm the 'real' iwog.
139 anon_25c83   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 18, 10:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Fuck you man, I'm much more iwog than you will ever be.
140 anon_fbcfa   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 18, 10:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_25c83 says
Fuck you man, I'm much more iwog than you will ever be.


There is no way you are Iwog because only Iwog knows who he is so obvious you are not him. You can be. not-iwog if you want unless you want me to be or not to be not-iwog it's really up to you Gary.
141 anon_fbcfa   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 18, 10:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Or are you not-Gary I think I see some sort of conspiracy here. Is this just all being staged by Patrick?
142 anon_fbcfa   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 18, 10:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Don't tell me you're not-Patrick.
143 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 4:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

FortWayne says
What happened to iwog?

anon_25c83 says
FortWayne says
You are the forums favorite poster AF.


Naw that was iwog before he got stabbed in the back and left. By the numbers, AF is 3rd.


Claimed he would leave rather than post under moderation and rules. Returned under anon. Fairly easy to spot.
144 BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 19, 6:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

It's called "offspring".
Remember, Iwog and Dan were on their honeymoon...

anon_25c83 says
Yeah but somehow he's been cloned in 8 or more simultaneous users.
145 anon_6d191   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 6:31am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

BlueSardine says
It's called "offspring".
Remember, Iwog and Dan were on their honeymoon...



I am iDanwog more powerful than dan or Iwog.
146 anon_25c83   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 19, 7:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
Claimed he would leave rather than post under moderation and rules. Returned under anon. Fairly easy to spot.


So which is it?
147 anon_6fcd7   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 8:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
FortWayne says
What happened to iwog?

anon_25c83 says
FortWayne says
You are the forums favorite poster AF.


Naw that was iwog before he got stabbed in the back and left. By the numbers, AF is 3rd.


Claimed he would leave rather than post under moderation and rules. Returned under anon. Fairly easy to spot.

Really? You said I was iwog half a dozen times on here, claiming, of course, that it was easy to spot. I’m not iwog though, so apparently it’s not so easy.
148 anon_6d191   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 8:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Wait if he's Iwog, then who am I?
149 anon_30423   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 9:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Have we figured out who I am?
150 anon_30423   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 9:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Sorry I thought I was posting in guess the anonymous hope I wasn't off topic
151 anon_6d191   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 9:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

To be or not to be that is the question?

Acting!
152 Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 9:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

anon_6fcd7 says
Goran_K says
FortWayne says
What happened to iwog?

anon_25c83 says
FortWayne says
You are the forums favorite poster AF.


Naw that was iwog before he got stabbed in the back and left. By the numbers, AF is 3rd.


Claimed he would leave rather than post under moderation and rules. Returned under anon. Fairly easy to spot.

Really? You said I was iwog half a dozen times on here, claiming, of course, that it was easy to spot. I’m not iwog though, so apparently it’s not so easy.


I thought I called you Not Iwog.
153 anon_6d191   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 9:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

But I'm not Iwog so how could he be not Iwog?
154 mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 19, 9:46am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Fucking White Male says
anon_25c83 says
FortWayne says
What happened to iwog?


Thrown under the bus so the Trump people could run the agenda.


Incorrect.

He loudly proclaimed his departure, but comes back and posts anon.


Time for Patrick to disable anons ;)
155 anon_25c83   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 19, 10:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Doesn't bother me at all. Goran_K says
Fairly easy to spot.


Had a good laugh over this one. It's so obvious he can't spot anyone. I mean how many anons has he accused of being iwog? Nearly all of them.
156 anon_6fcd7   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 10:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goran_K says
I thought I called you Not Iwog.

You seem to be getting a lot wrong at the minute.
157 anon_a0898   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 3:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

Goron is never wrong.
158 Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 19, 3:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

mell says
Time for Patrick to disable anons ;)


I did for a while, but brought it back, because it does seem to bring in a few new users.

Soon will have anon comments going through approval by moderators first. I took some time to make most of the site's functions pure, which should help me move faster in the future.
159 anon_25c83   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 19, 3:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote        

You will get your pure site soon enough. There is so much bad will here now that I think serious debate is gone for good.

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