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A chilling study shows how hostile college students are toward free speech


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2017 Nov 19, 10:02pm   17,063 views  74 comments

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-chilling-study-shows-how-hostile-college-students-are-toward-free-speech/2017/09/18/cbb1a234-9ca8-11e7-9083-fbfddf6804c2_story.html
For example, when students were asked whether the First Amendment protects “hate speech,” 4 in 10 said no. This is, of course, incorrect. Speech promoting hatred — or at least, speech perceived as promoting hatred — may be abhorrent, but it is nonetheless constitutionally protected.


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1   mell   2017 Nov 19, 10:55pm  

Hate speech is a dumb term anyways. There's only free speech. One group's hate may be another one's love. In the end it's just different interests fighting against each other, of course labeling the opposite side's rhetoric as hate speech. Leftoids have become front runners in suppressing free speech. Unfortunately.
2   anonymous   2017 Nov 19, 11:39pm  

mell says
Hate speech is a dumb term anyways. There's only free speech. One group's hate may be another one's love. In the end it's just different interests fighting against each other, of course labeling the opposite side's rhetoric as hate speech. Leftoids have become front runners in suppressing free speech. Unfortunately.

"One groups hate may be another one's love." Which of course isn't the same as hate speech.
3   justme   2017 Nov 20, 8:32am  

I'm really biting my tongue here. Patrick and I have had a good mutual understanding over the years, and I value it, but the irony of this particular thread at this particular time is pretty thick.

Like I said elsewhere, one can hope it is all just a piece of performance art.
4   zzyzzx   2017 Nov 20, 8:35am  

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/39094/
Student radio hosts yanked from air, suspended after using the word ‘tranny’
5   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Nov 20, 8:35am  

justme says
I'm really biting my tongue here. Patrick and I have had a good mutual understanding over the years, and I value it, but the irony of this particular thread at this particular time is pretty thick.

Like I said elsewhere, one can hope it is all just a piece of performance art.


Its not. Theres no constitutionally protected free speech on a private internet site.
6   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 8:50am  

justme says
but the irony of this particular thread at this particular time is pretty thick.

Isn't hate speech allowed here? I'm pretty sure that I can say that Republicans are selfish cunts with skewed sense of accomplishment and a bible up their ass. I can also probably say that I hate them for it. I can probably say that Mexican Americans are lazy and like to rape. Perhaps it is allowed to say that white men under 30 are pussies. Maybe it's OK to say that blacks are less intelligent and more violent than white, and that their culture sucks. It is definitely OK to say that liberals are either white pussies who hate themselves, minorities trying to get revenge on whitey, or greedy globalists politicians using the aforementioned groups to gain power for their corporate patrons. I can definitely say that Trump's Jews are controlling the fiscal policy and blame them for whatever I don't like about Trump's policies.
Just accept that any complaint about conservatives may go to comment jail unless it is completely free of any whiff of an insult to any conservative member of this board or any whiff of an insult to something that they said, because that is sort of like insulting them personally. We wouldn't want them to feel unsafe... Oh, yeah, that is kind of ironic.
7   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 9:07am  

Just accept that any complaint about conservatives may go to comment jail unless it is completely free of any whiff of an insult to any conservative member of this board or any whiff of an insult to something that they said, because that is sort of like insulting them personally. We wouldn't want them to feel unsafe... Oh, yeah, that is kind of ironic.

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Even then, it doesn’t matter. They are a special brand of snowflake, incapable of accepting any deserved criticism
8   justme   2017 Nov 20, 9:11am  

Fucking White Male says
Its not. Theres no constitutionally protected free speech on a private internet site.


Is it possible you did not understand the irony part?
9   justme   2017 Nov 20, 9:18am  

anon_61c8a says
Just accept that any complaint about conservatives may go to comment jail unless it is completely free of any whiff of an insult to any conservative member of this board or any whiff of an insult to something that they said, because that is sort of like insulting them personally. We wouldn't want them to feel unsafe... Oh, yeah, that is kind of ironic.


Your comment was pretty clever! It is okay to express hate about those "other people" that you do not know personally, just don't be uncivilized towards any specific person of the same category of people, if you do know them personally. Yes, strong the irony is in this one. --Hatemaster Yoda.
10   HEY YOU   2017 Nov 20, 9:40am  

Free speech-banning,ignoring,incivility jail.
Enjoy FREEDOM! SNOWFLAKES!
11   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 9:44am  

justme says
I'm really biting my tongue here. Patrick and I have had a good mutual understanding over the years, and I value it, but the irony of this particular thread at this particular time is pretty thick.


^^ This ^^
12   Patrick   2017 Nov 20, 9:46am  

Not suppressing any political incorrectness whatsoever.

It's only about being polite to the other users. Nothing else.
13   justme   2017 Nov 20, 10:03am  

Patrick, how do you think it would work if college campuses had an anonymous "uncivil" button and it took only one anonymous student to be "offended" to hide and then 30 days later erase from history any speech deemed uncivil/offensive?
14   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 10:09am  

Patrick says
It's only about being polite to the other users. Nothing else.


Nonsense. Goran can turn the entire forum hard right by simply deleting offensive posts immediately from the wrong kind of people but deleting them after a few hours for the right kind of people. He's actually done this and it has been pointed out. Goran has constantly been trolling the anons, attempting to identify them for no other reason than to attack the poster and not the argument. Goran has already been caught in several more lies including in the latest global warming shit-fest. I think he's your friend which is why you'll never talk about it but I want you to know it's killing the website.
15   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 10:21am  

Patrick says
It's only about being polite to the other users.

It seems that you can not insult an individual poster, but you can insult a group that they are in. As the group gets smaller, the individual member tends to feel more insulted. For example, the following might elicit more and more of an emotional response in you @Patrick: White men are selfish molesting creeps. Irish white men are pig fucking morons. Your family is below average. Your mother is a whore. Of course I don't think any of those things. But I wanted to attach a concrete example to an abstract concept that is very relevant whether we are talking about free speech on a campus or on Patrick.net.

What if a user says ' I think X, or X is true ' and another user says ' all people who think X are morons ?' What about 'X argument is stupid, because...?' A post has value if the reasoning for why X is stupid is interesting or particularly sound. A post doesn't have value if it doesn't offer a good argument, regardless of how well it dances around the fuzzy rules of what constitutes a personal attack on another user.
16   Goran_K   2017 Nov 20, 10:29am  

anon_25c83 says
Patrick says
It's only about being polite to the other users. Nothing else.


Nonsense. Goran can turn the entire forum hard right by simply deleting offensive posts immediately from the wrong kind of people but deleting them after a few hours for the right kind of people. He's actually done this and it has been pointed out. Goran has constantly been trolling the anons, attempting to identify them for no other reason than to attack the poster and not the argument. Goran has already been caught in several more lies including in the latest global warming shit-fest. I think he's your friend which is why you'll never talk about it but I want you to know it's killing the website.


It’s been days since I’ve actually deleted a comment. I’ve stuck to making warnings and giving people leeway to correct the course of the conversation. It’s been surprisingly effective so no deletes from me.
17   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Nov 20, 10:34am  

Goran_K says
anon_25c83 says
Patrick says
It's only about being polite to the other users. Nothing else.


Nonsense. Goran can turn the entire forum hard right by simply deleting offensive posts immediately from the wrong kind of people but deleting them after a few hours for the right kind of people. He's actually done this and it has been pointed out. Goran has constantly been trolling the anons, attempting to identify them for no other reason than to attack the poster and not the argument. Goran has already been caught in several more lies including in the latest global warming shit-fest. I think he's your friend which is why you'll never talk about it but I want you to know it's killing the website.


It’s been days since I’ve actually deleted a comment. I’ve stuck to making warnings and giving people lee...


Some of the non users are being intentionally obtuse I think.

Or perhaps they used to go by a user name that rhymes with barcus.
18   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 10:34am  

Goran_K says
It’s been days since I’ve actually deleted a comment. I’ve stuck to making warnings and giving people leeway to correct the course of the conversation. It’s been surprisingly effective so no deletes from me.


You are not an ethical person and I'm not the only one to say so by far. That means as long as you have control over postings, the entire political forum will be biased and dishonest.

Also as I've pointed out you are the main person trolling in every thread.
19   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 10:39am  

Fucking White Male says
Or perhaps they used to go by a user name that rhymes with barcus.

I recall you being very civil to farcus. I have no idea why he wouldn't want to post under that user name anymore. Is it OK to ask if rhymes with goo still have a bit of a man-crush on farcus?
20   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 10:39am  

mell says
One group's hate may be another one's love


Wrong. Hate speech is a thing. But it is protected by the first amendment.

This trend with college students is disturbing, although I think the survey is probably a little misleading. Questions have to be worded very carefully. For example thinking it's okay to yell over a speaker (that is that it's your right) is a far cry from going out of your way to attend (or organize others to attend) a speaker you disagree with for the sole purpose of preventing their point of view from being heard by those that want to hear it.

I think the problem with todays college students is arrogance, entitlement and narcissism. Not that it hasn't always been a problem with American youth and Americans in general for that matter.

It's noteworthy that those that identify as republican were right behind the democrats.
21   mell   2017 Nov 20, 10:45am  

anon_12c93 says
You are not an ethical person

LOL this is getting absurd. Go lift some weights or go outside and enjoy the beautiful day instead of crushing on Goran. Then come back with a real username and discuss topics not people, it's much more fun anyways.

anon_12c93 says
Also as I've pointed out you are the main person trolling in every thread.


I thought that was Ironman.
22   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 10:53am  

mell says
anon_12c93 says
You are not an ethical person

LOL this is getting absurd. Go lift some weights or go outside and enjoy the beautiful day instead of crushing on Goran. Then come back with a real username and discuss topics not people, it's much more fun anyways.

anon_12c93 says
Also as I've pointed out you are the main person trolling in every thread.


I thought that was Ironman.


Why do you think it is that you guys never, ever spoke up for years while it was Hard Right CiC/Ironman/Sniper on the offensive, but when someone like myself flips the script and gives y’all a taste of the Ironman treatment, you’re all vocal all of a sudden? Coincidence?
23   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:03am  

Patrick says
Not suppressing any political incorrectness whatsoever.

It's only about being polite to the other users. Nothing else.


Why is this all of a sudden important to you?

It didn’t seem to bother you when it was Sniper/Ironman CiC on here disrupting the forum 15+ hours a day @Patrick

Politeness was of no value when Obama was president and right were on an eight year meltdown. All of a sudden we have Republicans in absolute control of Government, and the Republican President is in a constant state of incivility, now anyone critical is silenced in the name of civility.
24   Goran_K   2017 Nov 20, 11:04am  

errc says
mell says
anon_12c93 says
You are not an ethical person

LOL this is getting absurd. Go lift some weights or go outside and enjoy the beautiful day instead of crushing on Goran. Then come back with a real username and discuss topics not people, it's much more fun anyways.

anon_12c93 says
Also as I've pointed out you are the main person trolling in every thread.


I thought that was Ironman.


Why do you think it is that you guys never, ever spoke up for years while it was Hard Right CiC/Ironman/Sniper on the offensive, but when someone like myself flips the script and gives y’all a taste of the Ironman treatment, you’re all vocal all of a sudden? Coincidence?


Yet Ironmans account was zapped and here you still are.
25   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:08am  

Goran_K says
errc says
mell says
anon_12c93 says
You are not an ethical person

LOL this is getting absurd. Go lift some weights or go outside and enjoy the beautiful day instead of crushing on Goran. Then come back with a real username and discuss topics not people, it's much more fun anyways.

anon_12c93 says
Also as I've pointed out you are the main person trolling in every thread.


I thought that was Ironman.


Why do you think it is that you guys never, ever spoke up for years while it was Hard Right CiC/Ironman/Sniper on the offensive, but when someone like myself flips the script and gives y’all a taste of the Ironman treatment, you’re...


Ironman is back posting as Sniper

He wasn’t banned for being uncivil, he was banned for taking his incessant harassing off the site and into the real world where he took it to criminal extent
26   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:10am  

I think it's absolutely perfect and fitting that a man who is so fragile he posted copies of his bank statements to prove how rich he was is moderating the site. What a punchline!
27   mell   2017 Nov 20, 11:16am  

errc says
Why do you think it is that you guys never, ever spoke up for years while it was Hard Right CiC/Ironman/Sniper on the offensive, but when someone like myself flips the script and gives y’all a taste of the Ironman treatment, you’re all vocal all of a sudden? Coincidence?


Goran hasn't posted in a long while so he never flooded any threads. This just became an issue since he became moderator. When I had banter with anyone (incl. Ironman) and wasn't interested in continuing (even if I simply didn't have enough free time to respond/react), I simply dropped it. No big deal, why should it be?
28   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:21am  

errc says
It didn’t seem to bother you when it was Sniper/Ironman CiC on here disrupting the forum 15+ hours a day


Goran_K says
Yet Ironmans account was zapped and here you still are.


Strange, errc has some sort of man crush on a poster that's not even here anymore. he can't stop posting about him. Day after day after day.

Even worse, errc is using a past ghost to justify his own current bad behavior.
29   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:21am  

mell says
This just became an issue since he became moderator.


God how dishonest can you get? Goran has always been considered the biggest liar on the forum as well as having an ego so fragile that he's claimed how rich he is no less than half a dozen times with bank statements to prove it. If I were to compile a list of the most destructive trolls here, he'd be #2 or #3 on the list.
30   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:22am  

mell says
errc says
Why do you think it is that you guys never, ever spoke up for years while it was Hard Right CiC/Ironman/Sniper on the offensive, but when someone like myself flips the script and gives y’all a taste of the Ironman treatment, you’re all vocal all of a sudden? Coincidence?


Goran hasn't posted in a long while so he never flooded any threads. This just became an issue since he became moderator. When I had banter with anyone (incl. Ironman) and wasn't interested in continuing (even if I simply didn't have enough free time to respond/react), I simply dropped it. No big deal, why should it be?


This is why,

anon_54dc5 says
errc is using a past ghost to justify his own current bad behavior.
31   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:27am  

Past ghost lol. He is still posting here. What bad behavior are you speaking of
32   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:28am  

errc says
Politeness was of no value when Obama was president and right were on an eight year meltdown.


Why do you live in the past?

You'd be a lot happier person if you looked to the future, versus dwelling on the past.
33   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:32am  

errc says
What bad behavior are you speaking of


You don't even recognize your own bad behavior? this link might be a good place to start.

/comment_jail
34   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:40am  

anon_54dc5 says
errc says
What bad behavior are you speaking of


You don't even recognize your own bad behavior? this link might be a good place to start.

/comment_jail


Comment jail lol. A place where Right Wing simpletons flag posts as uncivil because they have NO ideas and weak personal Constitution, so they delete other people posts
35   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:42am  

mell says
Fact is there were periods of time were I was on this site and Goran was not,


Goran was barely here at all and when he was, he was either lying or trolling or bragging. So someone explain to me why he's moderating the forum again?
36   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 11:48am  

errc says
mell says
anon_12c93 says
You are not an ethical person

LOL this is getting absurd. Go lift some weights or go outside and enjoy the beautiful day instead of crushing on Goran. Then come back with a real username and discuss topics not people, it's much more fun anyways.

anon_12c93 says
Also as I've pointed out you are the main person trolling in every thread.


I thought that was Ironman.


Why do you think it is that you guys never, ever spoke up for years while it was Hard Right CiC/Ironman/Sniper on the offensive, but when someone like myself flips the script and gives y’all a taste of the Ironman treatment, you’re all vocal all of a sudden? Coincidence?


I think not.
37   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Nov 20, 11:54am  

Hard to forget just months ago, when Ironman/Sniper was banned, there were starting to be calls to ban yet another user from among the "woe to pat.net, Muh Free Speech" crowd, I think it was TPB.

I seem to remember the grounds were total BS, like "Adds nothing to the conversation".
38   mell   2017 Nov 20, 12:03pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Hard to forget just months ago, when Ironman/Sniper was banned, there were starting to be calls to ban yet another user from among the "woe to pat.net, Muh Free Speech" crowd, I think it was TPB.

I seem to remember the grounds were total BS, like "Adds nothing to the conversation".


Agreed. And TPB has taken a lot of highly uncivil comments for his funny, laconic style.
39   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 12:06pm  

mell says
Agreed. And TPB has taken a lot of highly uncivil comments for his funny, laconic style.


No disagreements here. Piggy and TPB will now take center stage in defining the new patrick.net.
40   anonymous   2017 Nov 20, 12:14pm  

To be fair--

TPB was only mentioned because he was posting dozens of threads about Trump each day.

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