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How Trump Is Creating a Propaganda State

By jazz_music following x   2017 Nov 25, 1:11pm 1,477 views   62 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Ailes’s subsequent efforts didn’t pan out, but he didn’t give up on the idea of a semi-official GOP outlet, and later founded Fox News in 1996. We reap the results of his work. “The Republicans have had a highly effective propaganda machine, a propaganda culture which is operated on many levels, and has consolidated their base and consolidated loyalty to them,” O’Shaughnessy said. This phenomenon can now be seen in everything from the Fox News viewer’s belief that Hillary did Benghazi to the conservative consensus that Obamacare is “collapsing.”

But these stories at least take kernels of truth—the Obama administration’s mishandling of its intervention in Libya, the troubles in the individual health care market—and blow them up to conspiratorial proportions. The new propaganda we are seeing is closer to outright fantasy.

Speaking for the NRA, Dana Loesch insists that Barack Obama and his band of wicked elites tell liberal protesters “to smash windows, burn cars, shut down interstates and airports, bully and terrorize the law-abiding until the only option left is for the police to do their jobs and stop the madness.” She doesn’t add with their guns, but she doesn’t need to. Trump himself sounded a similar theme when discussing the recent violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, claiming, contrary to all available evidence and common sense, that “many sides” were responsible for a deadly attack by a white supremacist that took the life of a woman protesting his ideology. Trump’s position played into a deeply embedded conservative narrative that left-wing, often minority activists fighting for their rights are just as dangerous as racists seeking to suppress those rights—that the broader struggle for civil rights is violent and illegitimate and hateful.

In this, Trump and Loesch aren’t just trying to deceive their followers. They are reinforcing and expanding on what their supporters already believe, which Jacques Ellul, a Christian anarchist who lost a university position for refusing to collaborate with France’s Vichy regime, identified as a staple of propaganda. “All propaganda must respond to a need,” Ellul wrote in 1965’s Propaganda: The Formation of Men’s Attitudes. “Whether it be a concrete need (bread, peace, security, work) or a psychological need.”

And, like their historical predecessors, our propagandists rely on highly charged appeals to emotion, not reason, tapping into resentment and anger and fear. All of this plays into the larger phenomenon of negative partisanship, the theory that voters in America are largely motivated by their antipathy toward the other party. The relationship between negative partisanship and propaganda is a bit chicken-and-egg, but they clearly strengthen each other. According to a CBS poll, nearly 70 percent of Republicans agree that “both sides” are to blame for what happened in Charlottesville. Meanwhile, a full 61 percent of Trump’s supporters say there is nothing he can do that would make them ever disapprove of him.

Nowhere has the appeal to blind belief been more apparent than in the never-ending stream of falsifiable claims and outright lies that pour from the White House, whether it’s from the press secretary’s podium or Trump’s Twitter feed. These statements seek to elevate Trump to glorious, cult-like heights, while painting America as a lawless hell. Former Press Secretary Sean Spicer started his short-lived tenure by claiming the crowd at Trump’s inauguration was the largest in history, when it was obviously not. That was only the beginning: In no particular order, Trump has falsely claimed that three million to five million illegal ballots cost him the popular vote; that the murder rate in this country is the highest it has been in nearly 50 years; that he won the biggest Electoral College victory since Ronald Reagan; and that Barack Obama had tapped his phones during the campaign.

The list goes on and on. These lies are bolstered by a galaxy of conspiracy theorists and conservative media outlets that in turn affect the coverage on more centralized outlets like Fox News, particularly Trump’s chief propagandist Sean Hannity, who is so in the tank that he has clashed with other Fox News anchors. The conservative Sinclair Broadcast Group, the largest local television station owner in the United States, is only expected to grow under the lax oversight of Trump’s Federal Communications Commission, which means more households will be treated to familiar storylines that could have come straight from the White House, including that economic growth has become white-hot under Trump and that voter fraud may have cost Trump the popular vote. (Sinclair’s chief political analyst Boris Epshteyn used to be a White House staffer.) This is an era in which an entirely false story can result in a gunman shooting up a pizzeria, in the belief that it was the site of a child sex ring run by the Democratic Party


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23   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 25, 7:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
Strategist says
I always feel the need to put down ideas that don't work. Communism, Islam, flat earther's etc. I enjoy it too, and have no intention of stopping. If you take it personal, that's your problem.

Oh so you just talk about issues, never personal.

Have I ever called you a 4 letter word or something? Have I ever even called you a liar, like you do? Sure, I poke fun at you, but there is no malice in it.

jazz_music says
Strategist says
I'm extremely proud of being a capitalist. I was a capitalist even when I was dead broke.

LOL, this is an ignorant assertion. You could believe in royalty and that wouldn't make you an emperor.

So your point is that people who are broke cannot be capitalist? I am living proof, that is is not the case.

jazz_music says
Strategist says
"A boss was like a diaper. Always on your ass, and full of shit"

They are doing their job.

I don't want a boss, I don't want to be a boss. I like my freedom.

jazz_music says
Everybody who knows Trump hates him and laughs at him.

Everybody who does not know Trump hates him. Communists, Muslims, and what not.

jazz_music says
You know, those are the people that refuse to see that capitalism has committed murder of our democracy

Ha ha ha ha ha. How can capitalism commit murder of democracy, when communism no democracy to begin with?
You have your vote, don't you? Communists have no voting.

jazz_music says

It's not rocket science to open your eyes to what is lost and that welfare queens didn't take it away.

You mean the welfare queens earned their paychecks? LOL. I didn't know watching Oprah all day long was a real job.

jazz_music says
Learn from history

Yes, you need to learn from history. So when will you learn that communism is a total failure?
24   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 25, 7:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
How can capitalism commit murder of democracy, when communism no democracy to begin with?
You have your vote, don't you? Communists have no voting.

You are off on a tangent again.

Strategist says
Yes, you need to learn from history. So when will you learn that communism is a total failure?

There's that tangent again.

I feel like ordering a glass of water and you say we don't have room for the ocean in here so pay attention. BTW those regulations Reagan and Nixon killed, we need them back, we need civil oversight to control enforcement, prosecution, prisons, and labor unions brought quality to working people's life so something like that again would be good, thanks.
25   Booger   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 25, 8:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

You know, the best part about this last year is watching fully grown (physically) people throw temper tantrums because they didn't get their way, and finally having a president who is willing to just ignore them until they tucker themselves out like most normal parents do to their children. It is fucking glorious that we aren't "buying them a candy bar" when they act like fucking children anymore.
26   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 25, 8:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Very impressive watching fully grown people sell their cows to the big con man for his little bag of magic beans too.

Oh and that pizza-gate thing, Trump on Infowars to impeach Obama, and all the rest of the lock-her-up bullshit was really cute too, too bad it worked on you guys.

Now we got impeach, 25th Amendment or some sad consequences to face.

I'd like to say Trump is the third best president of 2017.
27   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 25, 9:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
Communists have no voting.

It's mandatory.

Where do you come up with this fairy tale?

I know it wasn't from reading the link, because nobody read the link or has any little issue with what is said there.
28   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 25, 9:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
never-ending stream of falsifiable claims and outright lies that pour from the White House

Fact checkers cite 1628 lies from Trump in 298 days.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?utm_term=.6b5cc4461ae7
Every single one is available to comment on.
29   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 26, 9:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
Every single one is available to comment on.

I don't believe any of it. Just the usual political garbage.


Sniper says
Here's a hint, if you want to do a hit piece on Trump and you want to support your delusional narrative, quote a RIGHT wing source if you want ANY credibility. To use a PROVEN left wing, radical, liberal, Dem supporting, Trump hating rag like WaPo makes you look like a total joke.

He only reads Commie propaganda. Not his fault.
30   FortWayne   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 26, 9:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

There is no bigger propaganda machine in America than the left wing crap we get in California. They managed to paint a complete different picture of the world. You go outside of CA and you'll be shocked how different it actually is compared to the liberal bs we hear in CA non stop.
31   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 26, 10:22am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
Learn from history, read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." It is LONG but fantastic as you see how Hitler rose to power, legally, and quickly dismantled freedoms.

Where have we heard this story before? Oh right. Lenin. Mao. Pol pot. Castro. Idi Amin. Etc. etc.

Fascism and Communism are both just handy excuses for Totalitarianism. Fascism just works a bit better because it supports capitalism.
32   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 26, 10:27am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Reinstating the controls and regulations to bring back the America that used to be great is a do or die mandate for America. If that kind of thing is too left wing commie for you then fuck yourself.

Literally people are not forming households, the nation is converting to renters, jobs are temp, businesses are enjoying monopolistic priviledge in whole categories of commerce by forming "duopolies" which skirt the monopoly laws. Laws against monopolies aren't being enforced. Police, prosecutors, courts, prisons are out of control. We are constantly at war and while you blithely wave the flag, all the wealth which should be enriching our country goes into weapons makers and banks. The government operates at the behest of finance already there is no democracy, there is oligarchy for the benefit of plutocrats.

There is no excuse for you all to be so spineless about all this shit and blame those YOU SEE at the bottom you see in Walmart, it's fucking not them okay, it's the ones that hide in towers behind the tinted glass that have their own little armies to protect themselves and media to keep you calling each other names.

There really is no left wing in American politics right now. It is all corporatism. If Clinton won we should still have protested. Trump sort of won, so all that means is chaos and kleptocracy that is unnecessary shit we are all in.

You say there are SJWs and I guess there are but I don't see them and they're not on patrick.net either. Really all that stuff pales in comparison to the real shit we are all in whether you believe it ro not.

Look at who is talking about "delusional" and you must be holding up a mirror. Be a man, try some reality.

You sound like a bunch of nasty old women the way you always go for the person with the message or where the message comes from. Call names, tell lies, tag team, laugh laugh laugh, win win win fucking grow up. This platform could be significant and good instead of sickening chicken shit games.

Shits and giggles.
33   mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 26, 10:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
Literally people are not forming households, the nation is converting to renters, jobs are temp, businesses are enjoying monopolistic priviledge in whole categories of commerce by forming "duopolies" which skirt the monopoly laws. Laws against monopolies aren't being enforced.


Here we can mostly agree. Just mind boggling how you tie this development to Trump and the Repubs when it is almost exclusively the leftist globalist cultural Marxist identity politics that have brought on these changes.
34   anon_3b28c   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 26, 11:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

mell says
Just mind boggling how you tie this development to Trump and the Repubs when it is almost exclusively the leftist globalist cultural Marxist identity politics that have brought on these changes.


Because free trade = Republican ideal. Deregulation = Republican ideal. Business friendly = Republican ideal. Favoring owner class = Republican ideal.

This is not controversial, it is well known and easily shown by history.
35   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 26, 11:42am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
Literally people are not forming households, the nation is converting to renters, jobs are temp, businesses are enjoying monopolistic priviledge in whole categories of commerce by forming "duopolies" which skirt the monopoly laws. Laws against monopolies aren't being enforced. Police, prosecutors, courts, prisons are out of control. We are constantly at war and while you blithely wave the flag, all the wealth which should be enriching our country goes into weapons makers and banks. The government operates at the behest of finance already there is no democracy, there is oligarchy for the benefit of plutocrats.

There is no excuse for you all to be so spineless about all this shit and blame those YOU SEE at the bottom you see in Walmart, it's fucking not them okay, it's the ones that hide in towers behind the tinted glass that have their own little armies to protect themselves and media to keep you calling each other names.

There really is no left wing in American politics ...


he he he he. Man that was funny.
Hey Quigley, you really turned him "on" Do you have an "off" switch too?
36   HEYYOU   ignore (6)   2017 Nov 26, 11:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

You ignorant scum buckets!
If you can't take care of business,then you don't need to be in business.
TBTF bailouts, Subsidies & Tax Breaks to "Corporations are People" that every American can't use
& benefit from.
Trickle down,voodoo,supply side economics have worked so well.
How many low pay,part time,no job Republicans are getting govt.handouts?
They are failures in your Unregulated Free Market Capitalist system.
No cash,debt overloaded failures!
37   mell   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 26, 1:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_3b28c says
mell says
Just mind boggling how you tie this development to Trump and the Repubs when it is almost exclusively the leftist globalist cultural Marxist identity politics that have brought on these changes.


Because free trade = Republican ideal. Deregulation = Republican ideal. Business friendly = Republican ideal. Favoring owner class = Republican ideal.

This is not controversial, it is well known and easily shown by history.


Back then yes but the Dems have surpassed here and are wreaking way more havoc wheir identity globalist politics. Also Trump rolled back TPP so yeah times have changed. Dems causing way more damage now.
38   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 26, 2:49pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Jazz you’ve made some fair points about the corporatist takeover of American government and how it’s hurt workers and families. But the solution is NOT “vote Democrat.” It’s not “vote Republican” either. It’s vote MAGA, even when Trump isn’t MAGA enough, and needs to be reminded. Hell, if he goes far enough towards the dark side, he should be replaced with someone who can act in the best interest of American workers. Not in the best interest of corporations or the owner class or the MIC as Republicans like to do. Not in the best interest of fringe culture groups, Hollywood elites, tech billionaires, welfare indigents, and immigrants from countries which hate everything America stands for as the Democrats do.

But we need to be selective about voting for the candidates who pledge to represent the working class Americans without which NOTHING gets done!

You’ll know we are winning when the owner class is flipping out, screaming and ranting, and hiring thousands of newscasters, pundits, and Hollywood celebrities to spew their dissatisfaction across the airwaves they OWN.
39   anon_0b093   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 26, 4:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
How did the subject get to be me?


You posted propaganda. Its an article w the weakest of logic, that only the most accepting echo chamber fool could agree with... All while accusing others of propaganda.

Pot meet kettle.
40   anon_3b28c   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 26, 6:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

@Patrick

Why are my posts not being approved? They are not uncivil or against any of the rules?
41   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 26, 6:13pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

All anonymous comments go into moderation now, where I review them (soon the topic moderator instead of me).

Anonymous commenters get less respect than registered commenters. If you're simply insulting another user or the site itself, blammo, deleted. No jail.
42   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 26, 6:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

HEYYOU says
Trickle down,voodoo,supply side economics have worked so well.


Here is a question to all those who don't believe trickle down works:
Where do you think the money to pay the welfare queens comes from?
43   anon_3b28c   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 26, 7:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
All anonymous comments go into moderation now, where I review them (soon the topic moderator instead of me).

Anonymous commenters get less respect than registered commenters. If you're simply insulting another user or the site itself, blammo, deleted. No jail.


Yep--that's why I asked. The posts in question did neither of those things yet somehow were zapped. Are there other rules that I don't know about?
44   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 26, 7:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Not many other rules. If you're civil and the comment is not somehow legally actionable, it should be OK.

What comment did not appear?
45   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 26, 7:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

I haven't zapped a comment in over a week.
46   anon_3b28c   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 26, 9:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
Not many other rules. If you're civil and the comment is not somehow legally actionable, it should be OK.

What comment did not appear?


there were two or three from the last couple days. One on the pecan pie thread. Another on this thread.
47   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 27, 9:36am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
How Trump Is Creating a Propaganda State


Yes, because up to this point the US government has always been completely honest with us.
48   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 27, 9:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
HEYYOU says
Trickle down,voodoo,supply side economics have worked so well.


Here is a question to all those who don't believe trickle down works:
Where do you think the money to pay the welfare queens comes from?


It is extracted from actual Labor, like most every marker on wealth. Where did you think it came from?
49   anon_4460e   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 27, 2:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

You think the link is lies?

Conservative propaganda succeeds because it taps into real fear and a real sense of alienation. It doesn’t have to explain that fear and alienation with facts, as Trump’s campaign proved. It merely has to mirror and amplify them, creating an alternate universe where hordes of ultra-violent Mexicans are pouring over the border, America’s cities are burning from black-on-black crime, the free press is public enemy number one, and whites everywhere are under siege. People believe these claims because they want to, and because they believe Trump has the answers. “I alone can fix it,” Trump promised at the Republican National Convention
50   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 27, 2:55pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
Strategist says
HEYYOU says
Trickle down,voodoo,supply side economics have worked so well.


Here is a question to all those who don't believe trickle down works:
Where do you think the money to pay the welfare queens comes from?


It is extracted from actual Labor, like most every marker on wealth. Where did you think it came from?


It comes from taxes mostly paid by the rich, because they are in a higher tax bracket.
51   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 28, 2:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
So your point is that people who are broke cannot be capitalist?

Of course the point is broke people lack capital.

Believing in empires does not mean you can be an emperor, you need lobbyists to achieve dynasty, construct market barriers, sell taxpayers things they paid for originally, gain subsidies to abuse and negate market forces. It takes capital to get representation, depress wages, being a good taxpayer doesn't cut it. Corporations are people, sociopathic people.
52   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 28, 3:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
errc says
Strategist says
HEYYOU says
Trickle down,voodoo,supply side economics have worked so well.


Here is a question to all those who don't believe trickle down works:
Where do you think the money to pay the welfare queens comes from?


It is extracted from actual Labor, like most every marker on wealth. Where did you think it came from?


It comes from taxes mostly paid by the rich, because they are in a higher tax bracket.


Follow this out another iteration on the Implications Chain:

Where do “the rich” get their money?
53   Sniper   ignore (10)   2017 Nov 28, 7:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
It comes from taxes mostly paid by the rich, because they are in a higher tax bracket.


Follow this out another iteration on the Implications Chain:

Where do “the rich” get their money?


From taking a chance and investing their existing money in businesses and other growth areas. Sometimes they win and sometimes they lose.
54   Tenpoundbass   ignore (6)   2017 Nov 28, 7:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Yeah because Trump owns CNN, and Netflix.
What color is the sky in Lala land?
55   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 28, 7:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says
errc says
It comes from taxes mostly paid by the rich, because they are in a higher tax bracket.


Follow this out another iteration on the Implications Chain:

Where do “the rich” get their money?


From taking a chance and investing their existing money in businesses and other growth areas. Sometimes they win and sometimes they lose.


The rich get their money from their existing money

So then where do they get their existing money?
56   Sniper   ignore (10)   2017 Nov 28, 7:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
The rich get their money from their existing money

So then where do they get their existing money?


Where does anyone get their existing money?
57   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 28, 7:40pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says
errc says
The rich get their money from their existing money

So then where do they get their existing money?


Where does anyone get their existing money?


Here’s a novel concept that might shatter your world view: not everyone starts off with existing money. For most people they start with nothing and then work to convert their labor into Capital
58   Strategist   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 28, 9:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says

It comes from taxes mostly paid by the rich, because they are in a higher tax bracket.


Follow this out another iteration on the Implications Chain:

Where do “the rich” get their money?


Inheritance for some, and entrepreneurship for many others. The entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos, got their money by increasing the pie.

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