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Now this is Gun Control

By Goran_K following x   2017 Nov 26, 8:56pm 4,779 views   53 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


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It's all about a stable platform to shoot from, and a smooth trigger pull. That's the only Gun Control I know.

2 shots at 100 yards using a Tikka T3x chambered in 308 shooting 150 grain Fusion Match Ammo.

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14   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 27, 8:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
FortWayne says
That is pretty close.
impressive shot group

I wanted to get 3 shots into the same group but my magazine went dry, then the range master called a 10 minute recess. Oh well, I'm pretty sure I would have put the 3rd shot into sub-MOA territory.

errc says
Gun control is a target with two holes in it?

Mindless Christian Right Wingnutism...not even once, ever.


No silly.

It's a stable platform combined with a smooth trigger pull, and controlled breathing. Much harder to accomplish than most people think.


Apparently hitting a stationary target is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to many others. I prefer the challenge of a moving target
15   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 27, 10:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Apparently hitting a stationary target is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to many others. I prefer the challenge of a moving target


What do you shoot? What's your setup?
16   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2017 Nov 27, 10:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Hey You, did you make a new account?

Yes.
https://patrick.net/post/1312063/2017-11-23-mr-patrick-net It's hard to catch every thread.
But if they are on patnet,it's not important. lol
17   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 27, 10:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm beginning to think errrc doesn't actually target shoot.
18   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 27, 11:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
Apparently hitting a stationary target is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to many others. I prefer the challenge of a moving target


What do you shoot? What's your setup?


Clays. A small pile of shotguns, a case of clays and shells beside the launcher.
19   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 27, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
I'm beginning to think errrc doesn't actually target shoot.


Not much anymore. There’s no challenge
20   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 27, 11:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Clays. A small pile of shotguns, a case of clays and shells beside the launcher.


I've shot trap, skeet, and down the line with moving targets. While it's difficult, it's not MORE difficult than hitting dime sized groups at hundreds of yards. It's more about reaction and muscle memory. I've hit 25 out of 25 targets in a round with ease.

Target shooting requires knowing some serious math, estimating wind, and knowing your holds. Knowing your calibers capabilities. It's far more complex than your average clay pigeon shooting.

So for long range shooting what is your setup?
21   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2017 Nov 27, 3:32pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
I'm beginning to think errrc doesn't actually target shoot.


He doesn't, he's afraid of those scary "assault weapons of war".
22   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 27, 3:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
He doesn't, he's afraid of those scary "assault weapons of war".


Well the fact that he isn't talking about his gear and setup, or even the caliber he's shooting with, pretty much tells me that there might be some fibbing going on here.
23   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 27, 3:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Exactly.... sending a big wad of birdshot down range to break a clay pigeon is simple in comparison.


I've done rounds where I hit 24 out of 25 or 25 out of 25 without breaking a sweat. I've also seen 10 year olds easily score 20 out of 25 hits.

The amount of people I know personally who can hit an 8 inch steel plate consistently at 1000 yards with a 308 bullet... maybe 1-2 individuals? Myself not included. It's an extremely difficult shot, and given the trajectory characteristics of the 308 round, takes some luck. I've done it before, 2 out of 10 shots.
24   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 27, 5:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Sniper says
He doesn't, he's afraid of those scary "assault weapons of war".


Well the fact that he isn't talking about his gear and setup, or even the caliber he's shooting with, pretty much tells me that there might be some fibbing going on here.


What’s the fib?

Why on Earth would I lie about it?

Gear i was wearing sweatpants and a hoodie. Setup was three different 12 gauge shotguns, a large box of clays, a launcher and a case of shells. Somebody forgot to get any 16 gauge shells so my Ithaca stayed cold. Is it fair to assume that you project that others are fibbing, because you assume that others are dishonest, because you your self are less than honest?

I have nothing to gain by coming on Patnet and telling lies
25   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 27, 7:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Goran_K says
Sniper says
He doesn't, he's afraid of those scary "assault weapons of war".


Well the fact that he isn't talking about his gear and setup, or even the caliber he's shooting with, pretty much tells me that there might be some fibbing going on here.


What’s the fib?

Why on Earth would I lie about it?

Gear i was wearing sweatpants and a hoodie. Setup was three different 12 gauge shotguns, a large box of clays, a launcher and a case of shells. Somebody forgot to get any 16 gauge shells so my Ithaca stayed cold. Is it fair to assume that you project that others are fibbing, because you assume that others are dishonest, because you your self are less than honest?

I have nothing to gain by coming on Patnet and telling lies


You said long distance shooting was too easy for you. What was your setup for long range shooting? What distances were you hitting? Got any screen grabs of your targets?
26   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 28, 5:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
Goran_K says
Sniper says
He doesn't, he's afraid of those scary "assault weapons of war".


Well the fact that he isn't talking about his gear and setup, or even the caliber he's shooting with, pretty much tells me that there might be some fibbing going on here.


What’s the fib?

Why on Earth would I lie about it?

Gear i was wearing sweatpants and a hoodie. Setup was three different 12 gauge shotguns, a large box of clays, a launcher and a case of shells. Somebody forgot to get any 16 gauge shells so my Ithaca stayed cold. Is it fair to assume that you project that others are fibbing, because you assume that others are dishonest, because you your self are less than honest?

I have not...


There you go lying again. I said i prefer a moving target to a stationary one. Why is it so hard for you to be honest?

Do you feel that falsely accusing others of lying is civil?
27   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 28, 8:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dude, you said:

errc says
Apparently hitting a stationary target is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to many others.


So that's why I'm asking you about your experience with long range target shooting. What was your setup for long range shooting? What distances were you hitting? Got any screen grabs of your targets? If what you said was untrue (a lie), then just admit it. I won't think any less of you for admitting it.
28   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 28, 8:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Point out where you are accusing me of lying
29   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 28, 9:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

errc says
Point out where you are accusing me of lying


I don't think you've ever shot long range targets with any consistency and are just BS'ing.
30   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 28, 9:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Cut it out with the personal insults.
31   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2017 Nov 28, 9:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

patrick.net is LIARS' international headquarters!
.....
The only real gun control is having a weapon locked,loaded,fully aware of one's situation & in hand prepared to use it as it was intended,to shoot something.
Those that want to improve their shooting skills,find a life or death situation
with sound of lead whizzing by one's ears,dust rising from lead impacts all around,hoping to dodge ricochets & direct hits.
Really a great way to build nerves of steel.
Maybe shooting ranges could add sounds of gunfire directed at target shooters & small explosive charges
to replicate bullet strikes in very close proximity to "paper target shooters".
While reloading,the targets could advance on the "target practicer" aiding them in reloading under stress.

Doing anything is easy when one has no liability.
33   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 28, 10:14am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Cut it out with the personal insults.


So you call me a liar, that’s not a personal attack, and not uncivil, even though I’ve never lied on Patnet

I return in kind and correctly label you a liar, and my comment gets put in uncivil jail.

@Patrick you can’t make this shit up.
34   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2017 Nov 28, 10:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Another idea to improve shooting skills at unarmed target.
Ranges could add cameras & computers that follow the movement of trigger fingers.
At random,when the trigger finger starts to move there could a blast of mortar,artillery,missile explosions.
A loud high pitched shrill could be added for variety.
35   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2017 Nov 28, 10:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm on a roll.
The first person/s to create a metal instrument to use gunpowder to project a piece of lead must have been thinking that it would be great family entertainment & all improvements since have been to make the experience more pleasurable.
Gun development was never used for anything but to entertain & it's great that it transitioned to missile & bombs.

Guns can become boring.Why do Republicans infringe on my right to enjoy loud explosions & my Pursuit of happiness? They won't let me own a "belt-fed" without a lot of paper work.

It's really bad when the crazy slaps one in the face with reality.
36   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 28, 10:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Apparently hitting a stationary target is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to many others. I prefer the challenge of a moving target



Clays. A small pile of shotguns, a case of clays and shells beside the launcher


Not much anymore. There’s no challenge



What’s the fib?

Why on Earth would I lie about it?

Gear i was wearing sweatpants and a hoodie. Setup was three different 12 gauge shotguns, a large box of clays, a launcher and a case of shells. Somebody forgot to get any 16 gauge shells so my Ithaca stayed cold. Is it fair to assume that you project that others are fibbing, because you assume that others are dishonest, because you your self are less than honest?

I have nothing to gain by coming on Patnet and telling lies


There you go lying again. I said i prefer a moving target to a stationary one. Why is it so hard for you to be honest?

Do you feel that falsely accusing others of lying is civil?


Point out where you are accusing me of lying


So because you are a serial liar, you assume others regularly lie as well? Pathetic



So you call me a liar, that’s not a personal attack, and not uncivil, even though I’ve never lied on Patnet

I return in kind and correctly label you a liar, and my comment gets put in uncivil jail.

@Patrick you can’t make this shit up.


—————-

There’s my comments in the thread. No lies

Why do you guys feel the need to lie so frequently?
37   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 28, 10:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
So you call me a liar, that’s not a personal attack, and not uncivil, even though I’ve never lied on Patnet

I return in kind and correctly label you a liar, and my comment gets put in uncivil jail.

@Patrick you can’t make this shit up.


I didn't call you a "serial liar", and say you "regularly lie", but I said "if what you said is untrue", just admit it. I still highly doubt that you have ever engaged in long range shooting and are simply in here to troll.

Seeing as we are a dozen posts in, and you still have yet to explain your long range setup, I'm guessing I'm correct. Of course you could prove me wrong. What was your setup for long range shooting? What distances were you hitting? Got any screen grabs of your targets?
38   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 28, 10:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
At random,when the trigger finger starts to move there could a blast of mortar,artillery,missile explosions.
A loud high pitched shrill could be added for variety.


Have you been to a range before? There are literally dozens of loud noises going off mere feet from you as you shoot.
39   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 28, 10:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
So you call me a liar, that’s not a personal attack, and not uncivil, even though I’ve never lied on Patnet

I return in kind and correctly label you a liar, and my comment gets put in uncivil jail.

@Patrick you can’t make this shit up.


I didn't call you a "serial liar", and say you "regularly lie", but I said "if what you said is untrue", just admit it. I still highly doubt that you have ever engaged in long range shooting and are simply in here to troll.

Seeing as we are a dozen posts in, and you still have yet to explain your long range setup, I'm guessing I'm correct. Of course you could prove me wrong. What was your setup for long range shooting? What distances were you hitting? Got any screen grabs of your targets?


You suggested i was fibbing which is the same as calling me a liar.

You keep asking me the same questions I’ve already answered.

What do you shoot? What's your setup?

Clays. A small pile of shotguns, a case of clays and shells beside the launcher.

How many more times are you going to keep asking me the same question that I’ve already answered?

Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem, or maybe you’re so dishonest that you are misrepresenting what I’m saying, hard to tell at this point.

Go back and read all my comments and replies and then get someone to help you translate English to whichever language you speak. I’m not sure how I can be any clearer or honest here.

Why do you feel the need to lie and misrepresent what I’m saying here
40   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 28, 11:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

You shoot long range with a shotgun?
41   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 28, 11:29am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
You shoot long range with a shotgun?


When did I ever say that?
42   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 28, 11:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
When did I ever say that?


Okay, so you have never done serious target shooting, don't have a long range setup, and don't know if it's easy or not? Cool. Thanks for confirming.
43   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 28, 12:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
errc says
When did I ever say that?


Okay, so you have never done serious target shooting, don't have a long range setup, and don't know if it's easy or not? Cool. Thanks for confirming.


When did i ever say that? Looks like you’re lying again, not very civil behavior for a moderator
44   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 28, 1:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Seeing as we are a dozen posts in, and you still have yet to explain your long range setup, I'm guessing I'm correct


wtf--he said he prefers hitting moving targets. Why would he have a setup for a stationary target??
45   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Nov 28, 1:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

NRA says having more guns lying around will reduce the number of people using them to shoot other people.

So is the best way to avoid nuclear war is for more countries to have nuclear weapons?

Doesn't more guns correlate to more gun violence? America sure has a lot of guns and a lot of shootings.

Every day? Wow!
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/how-often-do-mass-shootings-occur-on-average-every-day-records-show.html
Definitions matter, this article says they are getting more deadly.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/04/mass-shootings-more-deadly-frequent-research-215678
46   MbS   ignore (3)   2017 Nov 28, 1:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
Goran_K says
Seeing as we are a dozen posts in, and you still have yet to explain your long range setup, I'm guessing I'm correct


wtf--he said he prefers hitting moving targets. Why would he have a setup for a stationary target??


Who said his setup can't be long-range and moving AT THE SAME TIME?
47   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 28, 1:29pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

KimJongUn says
Who said his setup can't be long-range and moving AT THE SAME TIME?


I think most people already know he doesn't or never did have a long range setup. So him saying "it's easy" is an inexperienced opinion.
48   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Nov 28, 3:39pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Exactly. It's like if someone came onto patNet and said "I did a 1 minute 15 second" lap at Laguna Seca in a Porsche 911."

Then some guy, let's call him "Errrg" comes along and says, "Apparently running a sub 1.5 minute lap at Laguna Seca is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to others."

You would then naturally think, "Wow this guy must know how to drive, because that's a pretty good time for even pro drivers, and he must have done this many times."

But if their response is, "Well, I've been to the Go Kart track once or twice and beat a few kids in some races", you would then question that person's authenticity.

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