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By TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce following x   2017 Nov 30, 6:21pm 1,221 views   22 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Think I'm nuts? It's the official platform of SPD:

The SPD leaders, whose party is lagging Merkel’s Christian Democrats in the polls by 15 percentage points, said Germany would have to nearly double current defense spending from 37 billion euros to meet the NATO target. That would make it the largest military power in Europe - a goal they said “no one could want” given Germany’s Nazi history.

Instead, they said, Germany should focus on building a strong European defense union and, ultimately, a European army - a stance that may resonate with a deeply pacifist German public that remains skeptical of military engagements.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-election-military-spd/germanys-spd-rejects-nato-2-percent-defense-spending-target-idUSKBN1AM001
Keep in mind, they laughed at Churchill, proudly declaring he was a warmongering eccentric, if not downright delusional, literally right up until the Sudentenland. And all the Liberals of the day claimed "Peace in Our Time."

We really should be thinking about how to divide Germany into Saxony, Prussia, Bavaria, Hannover, etc.and if Morganthau was right all along.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenthau_Plan
#Germany #FourthReich #EUArmy
1   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Nov 30, 7:07pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsMcGee says

We really should be thinking about how to divide Germany into Saxony, Prussia, Bavaria, Hannover, etc.and if Morganthau was right all along.


Germany is a different country now. Nazi Germany has been replaced by a secular democratic Germany. The days of dictators stirring up trouble in Western Europe are long gone.
Our threat today comes from power hungry dictators and Islam.
2   mell   ignore (2)   2017 Nov 30, 8:18pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I actually would welcome a European army disconnected from the NATO which has done quite a few blunders, and represent European goals. However it would need to be a nationalistic army focused on the best for the autochthon Europeans, i.e. white christians of each country, and not an army that allows its countries to be flooded with immigrants instead of protecting them. Maybe led by Nigel Farage ;) In a way the US should take more immigrants since US foreign policy (Boosh and Obummer mostly) has caused a lot of these immigrant streams by destabilizing the middle east. Europe has been taking the brunt due to its cucked Eurocrats/Eurocunts betraying their people.
3   someone else   ignore (0)   2017 Nov 30, 9:36pm   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The irony is that while Germany no longer has any significant number of Nazis, they are now doing a mass import of an ideology, Islam, that is pretty damn similar to Naziism.
4   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Nov 30, 11:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

rando says
The irony is that while Germany no longer has any significant number of Nazis, they are now doing a mass import of an ideology, Islam, that is pretty damn similar to Naziism.


The Islamists are a lot worse. The Nazis did not slaughter their own kind, the Islamists slaughter their own kind without hesitation.
8   TrumpingTits   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 4, 7:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
a stance that may resonate with a deeply pacifist German public that remains skeptical of military engagements.


A stance that definitely resonates with Germans who are keen on the idea that other Europeans (read: Southern and Eastern Europeans) going to die for Germany instead of actual German youth.
9   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 4, 7:56pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Two Presidents in a row have advocated more military spending by other countries, including Germany and Japan. That went badly in the past. I would rather see them spend less. Ideally, I would like to see them pay the USA for American protection instead of building up their own military budgets.
10   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 4, 8:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
Two Presidents in a row have advocated more military spending by other countries, including Germany and Japan. That went badly in the past. I would rather see them spend less. Ideally, I would like to see them pay the USA for American protection instead of building up their own military budgets.


Except that they do not pay, they get US protection for free.
11   just_dregalicious   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 4, 9:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Except that they do not pay, they get US protection for free.


This.

And pipsqueak nations have been joining that may get us dragged into a war doing something stupid. Why have NATO anymore when Germany is going to get it's energy from Russia?

If that's okay then obviously they aren't still a threat, right? Ergo fuck NATO lets get out except for agreements with bigger countries and those which pull their weight financially.
12   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 4, 10:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
curious2 says
Two Presidents in a row have advocated more military spending by other countries, including Germany and Japan. That went badly in the past. I would rather see them spend less. Ideally, I would like to see them pay the USA for American protection instead of building up their own military budgets.


Except that they do not pay, they get US protection for free.


Therein lies an opportunity to negotiate a better deal. If the merchants of war have their way, the USA will demand other countries increase their military (procurement) spending. That would mean encouraging Germany and Japan to re-arm, as if history had nothing to say about what could possibly go wrong. Better to negotiate for more control over their foreign policy and defense, even if they pay only a fraction.

Consider what will happen when France and Belgium become 20% Muslim, which will happen in a generation. I would rather see them disarm instead of turning over a huge arsenal to Islamic control. The KSA plan seems to be to hijack NATO countries from inside, pumping Sunnis into NATO countries. I would like to see the USA thwart that plan.
13   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 4, 10:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

just_dregalicious says
And pipsqueak nations have been joining that may get us dragged into a war doing something stupid. Why have NATO anymore when Germany is going to get it's energy from Russia?


Inviting the Baltic States into NATO was stupid. Lots of added risk, no added benefit. The only thing economically or military they could contribute is a sack of potatoes and maybe 5 border guards.

They also pull plenty of stunts against their Russian minority that could offer an excuse for intervention. And then we'd have to respond with full force, instead of say, a naval blockade of the Russian Baltic, Arctic and Black Seas.
14   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 4, 11:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
Consider what will happen when France and Belgium become 20% Muslim, which will happen in a generation. I would rather see them disarm instead of turning over a huge arsenal to Islamic control. The KSA plan seems to be to hijack NATO countries from inside, pumping Sunnis into NATO countries. I would like to see the USA thwart that plan.


The first NATO Secretary General, Lord Ismay, stated the organization's goal was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down".

Some other attempts to revise his idea:
http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/lord-ismay-restated

Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, the Germans disarmed, and provide onsite forces for eventually necessary Reconquista
15   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 5, 12:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I don't see any reason why Germans or other defeated foes shouldn't be able to re-arm and be proud of themselves, they should be encouraged to do so. The only stipulation I have for this to happen is that the individual citizens shall be armed and affirmed right to bear.
16   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 5, 5:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
replaced by a secular democratic Germany


someone else says
 
 

The irony is that while Germany no longer has any significant number of Nazis, they are now doing a mass import of an ideology, Islam, that is pretty damn similar to Naziism.


Funny stuff today. Germany was secular democratic Germany in 1932. Anyone that thinks the right can't rise again is a fool. Russia is doing everything they can to expand the far right all over Europpe and the US. Alternative for Germany and National Front are directly and openly supported by Russia with both funding and operations. Other parties like Golden Dawn and Swedish Democrats are more covertly funded but wouldn't be more than a minor fringe without the Russians. When the Berlin wall collapsed Shultz (it may have been Haig) said that with the fall of communism eastern Europe can return to it's true destiny, fascism

Go read up on some of Putin's russian language speeches. or about the Eurasia plan on the russian destiny of control from the pacific to the atlantic. Read the currently popular (as in putin approved) writers in russia promoting fascism (rebranded as populism), protecting the purity of russia, the threat of the decadent homosexual west. Much of which is directly from the ideas and writings of schultz who was hitlers chief nazi propagandist. Ideas sometimes seen right here on patnet quoted by the right wing contingent as populist without a clue where they originated. .A recent book called The Road to Unfreedom: Russia, Europe, America: Timothy Snyder would be a good read for the few people left who actually are interested in thinking rather than simply being told what to think and believe.

Putin has to have ideological war against the west. He is the leading kleptocrat in at totally kleptocracy society. External enemies and nationalism are the only way to keep the people distracted. That playbook never changes. The fourth world war is being fought in cyberspace right now and Russia is winning. A bunch of raggedy ass refuges are the least of the worries in Europe.
17   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 5, 12:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Anyone that thinks the right can't rise again is a fool.


It's a distant chance, if the Postmodernist Left doesn't alter their policy in the face of democracy.

Germany could have also turned communist, since the first major Putsch was Communist - also in Bavaria. The Bavarian Soviet. However, the outcome was that the Communists came to regard the Socialists as traitors, therefore preventing a Grand Left alliance from preventing Hitler and his alliances with the Far Right from dominating the Reichtag later.

That being said, AfD takes Jews. DUP loves Israel. Orban and Bibi are buddies.

In reality, the Populist Right in power is likely to restrict migrants, deport violent rapefugees, and roll back some Neoliberal/Socialist economic policy.
18   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 5, 12:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Russia is doing everything they can to expand the far right all over Europpe and the US.

They don't want to spread the alt right. They want to divide people, discredit the institutions, and create strife. They use the alt-right in the process because it's convenient. They probably also use the extreme left for the same reason. Have you listened RT recently?
19   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 5, 1:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
A bunch of raggedy ass refuges are the least of the worries in Europe.

The idea that the spread of a retrograde ultra-conservative and anti-enlightenment cult is not possible in Europe is based on ignoring the facts.
Education is certainly not the protection people think it is. You just have to look at global warming denialists.
20   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 5, 1:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
They don't want to spread the alt right. They want to divide people, discredit the institutions, and create strife. They use the alt-right in the process because it's convenient. They probably also use the extreme left for the same reason. Have you listened RT recently?


The Democrat "Blame Russia" gang studiously ignores RT/Sputnik's support of BLM, Bernie, etc.

They also ignore that Galloway and other Hard Leftists have/had shows on RT/Sputnik
"Orbiting with the world with Galloway"
https://www.rt.com/shows/sputnik/

Is George Galloway on the Far Right?

How about Op-Eds with Red Ken, former Mayor of London the Far Left legendary conspiracy theorist?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/436390-media-bias-lies-livingstone/

Look at these Far Right Propagandists being promoted by RT/Sputnik:
Slavoj Zizek
Pepe Escobar
Finian Cunningham
Peter Osborne (Radical Left Professor)
John Pilger
, for fuck's sake
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/authors/
21   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 5, 1:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
The Democrat "Blame Russia" gang studiously ignores RT/Sputnik's support of BLM, Bernie, etc.


The establishment is reeling from the overall loss of control on the propaganda machine. You can bet Zuck is hard at work in Facebook to re-establish some form of thought control that doesn't look like blunt censorship. Hard to allow a large number of super-PACs running their own propaganda operations, while weeding out foreign operations (unless they pay the right charity to play).




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