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This is way better than the evil unions that force companies to pay livable wages.
Yeah, cuz that model works so well in socialist paradise's like Venezuela and Zimbabwe...
NuttBoxer saysYeah, cuz that model works so well in socialist paradise's like Venezuela and Zimbabwe...How about we stop in 1950s America and not go all the way to Venezuela?
In 5 years, pressure for employees will result in higher wages and better working conditions.
Or more automation.
Automation is a boogeyman, and if it's cost effective it would happen even if the minimum wage was a $1 and had no border controls at all.
I'd rather have Robots than young Guatemalan Males, anyway. Robots don't join MS/18.
Robots also:* Don't fall off Roofs and become the responsibility of the local government paying the Hospital Bill* Don't have children who demand Citizenship because they were brought in from another country but grew up here.* Don't require 15 years of instruction, with extra costs because they speak a foreign language at home and don't know English.* Don't compete for affordable housing* Don't vote and it would be hard to rig an election with 2XL or C3PO.
It absolutely Follows.Robots have a great deal of advantages over immigrants. I went on to list them.
lol--but it doesn't follow the discussion. We were talking about how higher wages will lead to more automation.
Is someone arguing that immigrants are better than robots?
I think automation has to be coupled with AI to really begin wholesale replacement of the real work force. There are just too many variables to program a reliable apple picking robot or a reliable maid for your housekeeping needs.
The garbage passed off as normal in this consumerist/debt driven society is sickening.
I'm saying if that is going to happen, let's still restrict immigration, since automation is better than immigration.
You proposed that if we restrict immigration, we'll get more automation.I'm saying if that is going to happen, let's still restrict immigration, since automation is better than immigration.
If done wrong, we may all be nuked by Skynet.
I didn't say that at all actually. I don't think immigration is the main cause for wage decline--it's been automation all along.
The real question is: if we get AI and robots, and productivity goes through the roof, will our elites still be keen to take in all the refugees of the earth.
But this is about to change.
Automation so far was only a factor in manufacturing, now a small share of the US economy. But this is about to change.
This is a fake rational that our elite spread widely at every opportunity, because Americans find it hard to be mad at modernity. - But this is disproved by the productivity numbers. If automation was rampant, productivity would accelerate, instead it is low and slowing. How do you explain that?- You also apparently believe that adding a huge supply on a market (the labor market) doesn't depress prices. Tens of millions of workers desperate to do any job for a low wage is of course going to lower prices for the jobs they are doing, and other jobs as people change occupation.
Or end up in a police state dictatorship run by a NSA director.
No, productivity has been low for a long time , and wages have been flat also during that time.
he only sector in which automation makes a big difference today is manufacturing, which is less than 10% of the workers.
and an economy that is positively ripping along!
How about we stop in 1950s America and not go all the way to Venezuela?
There should be some space between glorified bum and debt driven consumerism.
Again--I can rattle off a lot of service folks who would beg to differ after their jobs were automated away.
Can’t happen anymore, not since technology has made everyone so powerful in relationship to our environment and social structure. What’s MORE likely is that an overreaching government would be ignored by the populace and starved of taxes and legitimacy until it largely disappeared.
People tend to romanticize the past, so present examples are best. But you could go back to 1930's America. I think we had the last of the Communist planks implemented by good old FDR.