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6 weeks after new gas tax kicked in donkeys are already clamouring for MOAR ROAD TAXES.

By DASKAA following x   2017 Dec 14, 9:40am 2,005 views   24 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX 5) — California is moving closer to charging drivers for every mile they drive.

The state says it needs more money for road repairs, and the gas tax just isn’t bringing in enough revenue.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/12/11/california-considers-mileage-tax/
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1   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 14, 9:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX 5) — California is moving closer to charging drivers for every mile they drive.

The state says it needs more money for road repairs, and the gas tax just isn’t bringing in enough revenue.


With electric cars about to invade California freeways, gas tax will revenues will fall dramatically. Tax by the mile, is how they will go.
2   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 14, 9:54am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Satoshi_Nakamoto says
SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX 5) — California is moving closer to charging drivers for every mile they drive.

The state says it needs more money for road repairs, and the gas tax just isn’t bringing in enough revenue.


With electric cars about to invade California freeways, gas tax will revenues will fall dramatically. Tax by the mile, is how they will go.


I'm all for repealing the gas tax and going by odo instead. For some reason I get the feeling that yearly mileage on my manual cars will drop dramatically..... :evil cackle:

The truck is auto, but it's not driven that much anyway.

BTW, how the fuck the pinkos are proposing to account for miles driven off-road, on private roads and out-of-state? Strap a gps tracker to every car?

What about out-of-state cars driving through CA? With no gas tax how will these pay for use of our roads?
3   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2017 Dec 14, 10:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Tax by the mile, is how they will go.


I'm amazed how Californians will sit and simmer in their farts.
4   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 14, 11:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Another regressive tax on poor fucks! That’ll teach those idiots to vote Democrat!
*evil cackle*
5   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2017 Dec 14, 12:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why do Republicans support any tax on hard working Republicans?
6   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2017 Dec 14, 12:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Mileage tax is great for "Corporations are People" Job Creators with massive fleets that only drive 20 miles a week.
Trump will sign executive order to stop all taxes.
How can America survive under any Republican Redistribution Taxes?
We don't need no steekin' Republican tax reform unless it eliminates all taxes.
Why do they take,take,take?
I'm wrong! Again!
It's SPEND! SPEND! SPEND! while Republican taxpayers Work! Work! Work!
7   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (4)   2017 Dec 14, 2:56pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

There’s consequences for voting for democrats
8   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 14, 3:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Meh. I don't have a team. Republican or Dem. business owners are going to pay a shitload more for fleet vehicles or trucks on the road in CA if they tax by mile. Which I wouldn't mind honestly. Most road wear and tear is from 5+ ton vehicles. Which very few people (if any) are taking out as their daily driver. As usual, the tax will be passed down to the consumer.

Weather in most places outside of CA is the major contributing factor for road deterioration. Wish there was a way to tax weather.
9   Booger   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 14, 6:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
With no gas tax how will these pay for use of our roads?


This is California; they will have a gas tax AND a mileage tax.
10   Booger   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 14, 6:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Another regressive tax on poor fucks!
*evil cackle*


How so? People on welfare don't drive all that much.
11   Booger   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 14, 6:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
With electric cars about to invade California freeways,


You don't just replace gasoline powered cars with electric ones overnight. That will take decades, and gasoline powered cars won't go away any time soon.
12   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 14, 6:43pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
Quigley says
Another regressive tax on poor fucks!
*evil cackle*


How so? People on welfare don't drive all that much.


If they can afford a car, they shouldn't be getting welfare to begin with.
13   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 14, 6:47pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
Meh. I don't have a team. Republican or Dem. business owners are going to pay a shitload more for fleet vehicles or trucks on the road in CA if they tax by mile. Which I wouldn't mind honestly. Most road wear and tear is from 5+ ton vehicles. Which very few people (if any) are taking out as their daily driver. As usual, the tax will be passed down to the consumer.


We all have to pay for services we use. I don't really mind paying for the roads, if that was what I was paying for. The fucking bastards just divert that money to pay for their pensions and waste, and then make me pay again for the roads. That's my problem.
14   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 14, 6:53pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
If they can afford a car, they shouldn't be getting welfare to begin with.



This is how they do it in Germany, BTW.
15   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 14, 6:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
Satoshi_Nakamoto says
With no gas tax how will these pay for use of our roads?


This is California; they will have a gas tax AND a mileage tax.


Xactly.
16   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 14, 7:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
Strategist says
With electric cars about to invade California freeways,


You don't just replace gasoline powered cars with electric ones overnight. That will take decades, and gasoline powered cars won't go away any time soon.


It will take decades to eliminate every gasoline powered car from the roads, I agree. However, more and more electric cars are being sold, and every car manufacturer is setting up for a total transition to electric. Many countries have already decided to ban the sale of gasoline cars around 2030.
Electric cars are already much cheaper to operate, they last a lot longer, and their cost is dropping rapidly. The days of the gasoline powered cars are numbered.
18   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 15, 9:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
It will take decades to eliminate every gasoline powered car from the roads


How about never, or at least not in our lifetimes. I mean really, plenty of people live and/or work places where they can't charge a car, which is going to put limits on how many people are going to buy them. Plus for a long time most likely the electric car is still going to be the commuter car(s) in a multi-car family with another gasoline powered car.
19   Booger   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 16, 8:32am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why aren’t the leftists hypocrites clamoring for “transportation neutrality” or some such nonsense?
20   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 16, 10:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says
Strategist says
It will take decades to eliminate every gasoline powered car from the roads


How about never, or at least not in our lifetimes. I mean really, plenty of people live and/or work places where they can't charge a car, which is going to put limits on how many people are going to buy them. Plus for a long time most likely the electric car is still going to be the commuter car(s) in a multi-car family with another gasoline powered car.


I'll tell you why I disagree:
1. I charge my cars at home. It's very convenient.
2. Car chargers are popping up everywhere. Even my local Walmart just installed three car chargers in their parking lot. They don't need extra space like gas stations.
3. Eventually it's the economics that will rule. Nothing beats the 3 cents a mile that it costs to go a mile on electricity. Nothing beats the maintenance of an electric motor as there is nothing much to maintain.
21   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 16, 1:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
2. Car chargers are popping up everywhere. Even my local Walmart just installed three car chargers in their parking lot. They don't need extra space like gas stations.
3. Eventually it's the economics that will rule. Nothing beats the 3 cents a mile that it costs to go a mile on electricity. Nothing beats the maintenance of an electric motor as there is nothing much to maintain.


We have many chargers at work. When I had BMW i3 for 3-day extended test-drive I had to use them because the thing wouldn't take much charge from 110v at home. It was a major hassle: first you need to find a vacant charger and then you need to drop whatever you're doing and go and move your car after 2 hours. Wasn't cheap either. Far from 3c per mile. The chargers at the mall are even worse price-wise. So no, if you can't charge at home owning an electric is still a major pain in the ass.

BTW, I ran out of juice on the way home twice in 3 days (i3 had a range extender so I wasn't stranded). My commute is nothing special - about 30 miles one way.
22   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 16, 2:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Strategist says
2. Car chargers are popping up everywhere. Even my local Walmart just installed three car chargers in their parking lot. They don't need extra space like gas stations.
3. Eventually it's the economics that will rule. Nothing beats the 3 cents a mile that it costs to go a mile on electricity. Nothing beats the maintenance of an electric motor as there is nothing much to maintain.


We have many chargers at work. When I had BMW i3 for 3-day extended test-drive I had to use them because the thing wouldn't take much charge from 110v at home. It was a major hassle: first you need to find a vacant charger and then you need to drop whatever you're doing and go and move your car after 2 hours. Wasn't cheap either. Far from 3c per mile. The chargers at the mall are even worse price-wise. So no, if you can't charge at home owning an electric is still a major pain in the ass.
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Just get a Level 2 charger for the home. If you plug in every night you shouldn't have a problem. New electric cars have a much longer range. Alternatively, get a plug in hybrid like the Chevy Volt. It goes 53 miles on a single charge before switching to gas. No range anxiety at all.
If you sign up for the right plan with your utility company you can get 12 cents per kWh, which leads to the 3 cents per mile.
We have a pure electric Mercedes and a Chevy Volt. We are installing solar panels which will bring our cost per mile below 3 cents.
Just do your research before you buy, and you should be fine.
23   Booger   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 16, 7:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
2. Car chargers are popping up everywhere. Even my local Walmart just installed three car chargers in their parking lot.


The pricing on these away from home charges is outrageous.
24   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 17, 9:26am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
Strategist says
2. Car chargers are popping up everywhere. Even my local Walmart just installed three car chargers in their parking lot.


The pricing on these away from home charges is outrageous.


Some of them are expensive and some are pretty reasonable. Irvine Spectrum has dozens of car chargers spread out over their shopping center. They charge $1.00 per hour to charge. Our Mercedes charges at 22 miles an hour, while the Chevy Volt only charges at 11 miles an hour. Charging speeds 50 times faster have already been developed.
Anyway you look at it, the technology for electric cars is changing at light speed with it's costs dropping like a rock. Cheaper batteries, charging speeds, falling solar prices, falling EV prices, all contribute to making gasoline powered cars very uneconomical. Add to that strong laws that favor electric cars, and you know the days of the gasoline engine are numbered.




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