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Calling Mueller investigation a coup is extremely irresponsible

By Tim Aurora following x   2017 Dec 18, 1:33pm 563 views   34 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


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Calling Mueller investigation a coup is extremely irresponsible. Even when Trump got elected using an enemy power ( and yes I am very convinced of that) , Democrats did not call it a coup but rather stuck to their democratic norms.

Now Fox news is calling a legitimate investigation, and it may be imperfect, a coup and calling Mueller to be taken out in cuffs is extremely irresponsible and a sign of a fascist government.
1   Tenpoundbass   ignore (6)   2017 Dec 18, 1:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

It's nothing more than a Witch Hunt by the Liberals. But the Liberals are unaware they are feeding the pitbull that is going to rip their throats out and bust that Ass.
2   anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 18, 2:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Tenpoundbass says
It's nothing more than a Witch Hunt by the Liberals. But the Liberals are unaware they are feeding the pitbull that is going to rip their throats out and bust that Ass.


The hypocrisy is amazing. This investigation has already yielded 3 indictments and more appear to be on the horizon. Kushner? Eric Jr.?

Benghazi investigations lasted how many years with no indictments?
3   anon_05ed1   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 18, 2:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

anonymous says
Now Fox news


Why are you watching Fox News? That's not the Libbie channel of choice. You're suppose to be watching CNN, the Clinton News Network.
4   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 18, 3:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Tim Aurora says
Even when Trump got elected using an enemy power ( and yes I am very convinced of that) , Democrats did not call it a coup but rather stuck to their democratic norms.


So even when they came up with a pet theory which had absolutely no factual evidence to suggest or prove any aspect of it, Democrats restrained themselves from seizing military control and organizing a White House coup? How magnanimous!
However they did organize huge riots with lots of burning and looting and public nuisance and disorder. Maybe it wasn’t a coup, but I BELIEVE that Democrats didn’t actually have that option or they would have used it. The military despises them, and would never have betrayed their constitutional oaths to support the whiniest political party that has ever existed.
5   Tenpoundbass   ignore (6)   2017 Dec 18, 3:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
Benghazi investigations lasted how many years with no indictments?


You're making another point that I don't think you meant to make. Eric Holder should shut his dicksucker.
6   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 18, 4:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
So even when they came up with a pet theory which had absolutely no factual evidence to suggest or prove any aspect of it, Democrats restrained themselves from seizing military control and organizing a White House coup? How magnanimous!


There is LOTS of factual evidence that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump win. All intelligence services agree that the evidence is overwhelming. The only question is whether Trump colluded with them during the election. On that point, there is lots of circumstantial evidence but no smoking gun that has been made public. Expectation is that the three Republican led investigations will get to the bottom of the question in due time. We don't really know what evidence they have already that hasn't been made public.

But, it's worth remembering that NONE of these investigations was started by Dems. None are led by Dems. Dems have exactly zero to do with any of it.
7   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 18, 5:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Tenpoundbass says
It's nothing more than a Witch Hunt by the Liberals. But the Liberals are unaware they are feeding the pitbull that is going to rip their throats out and bust that Ass.


After 4 indictments in 7 months with Trump Jr and Jared next, it is a witch-hunt
8   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 18, 5:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
Tim Aurora says
Even when Trump got elected using an enemy power ( and yes I am very convinced of that) , Democrats did not call it a coup but rather stuck to their democratic norms.


So even when they came up with a pet theory which had absolutely no factual evidence to suggest or prove any aspect of it, Democrats restrained themselves from seizing military control and organizing a White House coup? How magnanimous!


You did not get my point. Democrats could have call Trump's victory as a coup, as it was due to Russian meddling
9   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 18, 6:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

Tim Aurora says

You did not get my point. Democrats could have call Trump's victory as a coup, as it was due to Russian meddling

You guys have been saying that. Turns out Russians did meddle-Hilalry paid them 9 million for the dossier which was used to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on trump. We are one step away from a police state. There is a reason we are the nation that throws more people in jail than any nation on earth.

Now we have crossed the line where the police state is interfering with Presidential elections-colluding with Russia. This is a coup that luckily didn't happen and democrats are the ones colluding with the police state and our enemy Russia.
10   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 18, 6:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

I'm not sure this a coup. I think this may blow up in their face.

How many times has shit blown up in Dem's Face, from Hillary's Collapse after weeks of Media Insisting she's Perfectly Healthy, to wiretapping the Trump Tower, to "Both Sides"? I know I'm forgetting a pantload of other moments, from Trump will collapse the Stock Market to He'll Never Win the Nomination.

What does "Insurance" mean? Is that the Dodgy Dossier? Did the FBI work with retired foreign intelligence officials under Obama's DOJ to cook up information that would allow them to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Opposition during a Campaign?

Here's another thing: Middle America saw the Media flip out that foreign guests were inconvenienced at the airport. They wonder "Where was the Media when Middle America was in Crisis?" The answer: Defending the Promoters of it and Victim Blaming.
11   anon_968c8   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 18, 7:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
This investigation has already yielded 3 indictments


Tim Aurora says
After 4 indictments in 7 months


Which is it, 3 or 4 ?

Also, please point out which indictment is directly related to the 2016 Trump campaign and not something outside of that time frame.
12   anon_968c8   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 18, 7:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

HappyGilmore says
All intelligence services agree that the evidence is overwhelming.


Would that be all 17 intelligence agencies? or maybe 10? or maybe 3? or maybe NONE?

Where is the specific evidence, it's been over a year and a half!
13   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 19, 7:18am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Tim Aurora says
Even when Trump got elected using an enemy power ( and yes I am very convinced of that)

Even when?
At least he did not sell uranium to "the enemy."
15   anon_ad5b0   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 19, 7:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/17-intelligence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/


17 intelligence organizations or 4?

"I heard it was 17 agencies. I said, boy, that’s a lot. Do we even have that many intelligence agencies? Right, let’s check that," Trump told NBC’s Hallie Jackson. "We did some heavy research. It turned out to be three or four. It wasn’t 17.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/06/17-intelligence-organizations-or-four-either-way-r/
16   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 19, 7:45am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Tim Aurora says
Even when Trump got elected using an enemy power ( and yes I am very convinced of that)


Maybe it's easier to believe it was a nefarious plot by Boris and Natasha than it is to believe the truth that our democracy worked correctly, and reflected the will of the people to elect anyone but Hillary.

17   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 19, 7:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
Tim Aurora says
Even when Trump got elected using an enemy power ( and yes I am very convinced of that)


Maybe it's easier to believe it was a nefarious plot by Boris and Natasha than it is to believe the truth that our democracy worked correctly, and reflected the will of the people to elect anyone but Hillary.



@Patrick it’s nice to see you’ve come around, to the actual reason Trump won the election. ABC
18   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 19, 8:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I disagree that democracy worked correctly.

The media sabotaged Bernies run, by blacklisting pretty much all coverage of him, and constantly airing #FakeNews wrt the delegate count in the primary.

The DNC also colluded to subvert Democracy, and the will of the people, in every which way, between avoiding prime time debates and instead, scheduling them when people would be least likely to watch, to pushing the narrative that Hilldog already had it in the bag
19   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 19, 8:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
Maybe it's easier to believe it was a nefarious plot by Boris and Natasha than it is to believe the truth that our democracy worked correctly, and reflected the will of the people to elect anyone but Hillary.


Patrick--do you dispute the conclusions from all the US Intelligence Services then? On what basis?
20   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 19, 8:10am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Perhaps on the basis that the three agencies which actually attested (based on third party analysis) that the Russians did it were the FBI (which recently has been exposed for using political and not justice criteria for their actions), the CIA (big Clinton fans, Deep State as Deep State gets), and the NSA (discredited agency found to be abusing the Constitution and doing tons of illegal surveillance).

So three agencies known for their extreme political leanings “examined” a few pages of data released by a third party private company and decided the Russians did it.

So not believable.

If you believe that, I have a WaPo story about banned words to sell you.

What’s that? You already bought that story?
How embarrassing for you!

http://patrick.net/post/1312531/2017-12-17-cdc-gets-a-list-of-banned-words-such-as-science-based-or-evidence-based
21   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 19, 8:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
Perhaps on the basis that the three agencies which actually attested (based on third party analysis) that the Russians did it were the FBI (which recently has been exposed for using political and not justice criteria for their actions), the CIA (big Clinton fans, Deep State as Deep State gets), and the NSA (discredited agency found to be abusing the Constitution and doing tons of illegal surveillance).


That's factually incorrect. And what do you mean by "did it"?

It is well established that the Russians waged a huge campaign to help Trump's election chances. There is absolutely no denying it.
22   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 19, 8:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
Perhaps on the basis that the three agencies which actually attested (based on third party analysis) that the Russians did it were the FBI (which recently has been exposed for using political and not justice criteria for their actions), the CIA (big Clinton fans, Deep State as Deep State gets), and the NSA (discredited agency found to be abusing the Constitution and doing tons of illegal surveillance).

So three agencies known for their extreme political leanings “examined” a few pages of data released by a third party private company and decided the Russians did it.

So not believable.

If you believe that, I have a WaPo story about banned words to sell you.

What’s that? You already bought that story?
How embarrassing for you!

http://patrick.net/post/1312531/2017-12-17-cdc-gets-a-list-of-banned-words-such-as-science-...


Proof that Propaganda works very effectively

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42409144
23   errc   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 19, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Perhaps on the basis that the three agencies which actually attested (based on third party analysis) that the Russians did it were the FBI (which recently has been exposed for using political and not justice criteria for their actions), the CIA (big Clinton fans, Deep State as Deep State gets), and the NSA (discredited agency found to be abusing the Constitution and doing tons of illegal surveillance)

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So the Hyper-Authoritarian FBI, CIA, and NSA, are all out to get Trump? That’s bizarre, especially because the majority of the people that comprise these institutions are Right Wing Authoritarians, why on Earth would they all conspire against Trump? Trump and his minions embody everything that they stand for. I think you’re confused about reality here
24   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (26)   2017 Dec 19, 8:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Guys at NSA are the most left-wing crowd you will likely meet as a cohort in USG.

They'll talk to CIA and FBI delegations when it entertains them. For the most part, NSA regards personnel from these agencies as sub-standard, the way FBI would view ATF.

From NSA's point of view, Trump is another wackjob like Milosovic or Videla or Whitlam on his way to the dumpster fire of history.
25   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 19, 9:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

HappyGilmore says
It is well established that the Russians waged a huge campaign to help Trump's election chances. There is absolutely no denying it.


There’s still oceans of doubt on that issue, combined with a severe lack of damning evidence.
However! If the Russians DID wage such an effective effort to get Trump elected, this should be viewed as a demonstration of friendship to the American people, whereby the Russians came to our aid against the deeply entrenched and abusive elite oligarchy. This is good on many fronts, as we need friendship with the Russians if we are to halt our national decline and ensure American relevance into the future. Conflict with another stable and potentially friendly nuclear power is the opposite of our interests as citizens.

Considering the nuclear papers that were recently released, the certainty of extinction of most life on Earth should a nuclear war break out among the powers, and the very real possibility that such a war would extinguish human life from the universe, i declare this truth.
Anyone who pushes for conflict with Russia is a traitor to the human race.
26   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 19, 9:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

anon_968c8 says
Would that be all 17 intelligence agencies? or maybe 10? or maybe 3? or maybe NONE?


The analysts were literally hand picked by Obama's Clapper and Brennan. They came to the conclusion they were chosen to reach.

Quigley says
However! If the Russians DID wage such an effective effort to get Trump elected, this should be viewed as a demonstration of friendship to the American people, whereby the Russians came to our aid against the deeply entrenched and abusive elite oligarchy. This is good on many fronts, as we need friendship with the Russians if we are to halt our national decline and ensure American relevance into the future. Conflict with another stable and potentially friendly nuclear power is the opposite of our interests as citizens.

Yep, if the Russians were behind Wikileaks, Podesta Hack, etc. they should get the Pulitzer Prize.

The Russians "Rigged" the Election by leaking information that proved the DNC/Hillary Campaign Rigged the Primaries.

A good relationship with Russia = more sources of oil, the lifeblood of the US Economy, a "monopoly" on Nukes since only the US/Russia have them in massive quantities, and checks the spread of Radical Islam, China, AND the EuroReich. With us, the Russians no longer need to kiss Chinese - the real potential threat - butt.

Consider the EuroFuhrer won't contribute the minimum to NATO but is pushing hard for an EU Army.

Under Grouchy Europeans, they had a massive bloody war every 20 years. Since the NATO and thus the USA in charge of European Military Affairs, there hasn't been a war in 70 years. The Germans will never stop trying to dominate Europe, by military or economic/political means.
27   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 19, 9:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
The media sabotaged Bernies run, by blacklisting pretty much all coverage of him, and constantly airing #FakeNews wrt the delegate count in the primary.


The Emails "Russia" leaked actually proved that it was the DNC/Hillary Camp, Media figures were even begging them for anti-Bernie leads to use in stories. Total Collusion to rig the primary, and thus the Election.

If Bernie had ran, Trump may not have been President because unlike Hillary, Bernie could turn out the Youth Vote.
29   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 19, 9:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
However! If the Russians DID wage such an effective effort to get Trump elected, this should be viewed as a demonstration of friendship to the American people,

They did wage the effort. They helped further division in the electorate. They helped elect a guy who was friendly toward authoritarians and lowers the US status in the world. That helps drive more countries toward Russia or China. However, they like anybody who deals with Trump probably are getting something different than was advertised.
TwoScoopsMcGee says
A good relationship with Russia = more sources of oil, the lifeblood of the US Economy, a "monopoly" on Nukes since only the US/Russia have them in massive quantities, and checks the spread of Radical Islam, China, AND the EuroReich

We don't need Russian oil. Further, sharing a 'monopoly' on nukes is not good if you disagree on how to use that power. What would happen to all of the alliances around the world? Would we then be friendly with Iran, because Russia is? Would we let our 'buddy' Russia roll over neighboring countries, because Trump thinks that Putin is swell?
30   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 19, 10:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
We don't need Russian oil. Further, sharing a 'monopoly' on nukes is not good if you disagree on how to use that power. What would happen to all of the alliances around the world? Would we then be friendly with Iran, because Russia is? Would we let our 'buddy' Russia roll over neighboring countries, because Trump thinks that Putin is swell?


Yes, Trump is really cozying up to Iran. I mean, c'mon man... hahahaha. The Neoliberal Old Guard talking heads are actually mad at Trump over criticism of the Iran Deal.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/trumps-irrational-hatred-of-the-iran-deal
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politics/iran-trump-reliability-north-korea/index.html
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/can-the-iranian-nuclear-d_b_13453668.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/13/trump-iran-nuclear-deal-congress
I think you've got him confused with the last President, who took an axe into a highly productive investigation on Hezbollah's criminal activities, probably as a signal of goodwill to authoritarian Iranian Mullahs.
31   HEYYOU   ignore (6)   2017 Dec 19, 12:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Trump can fire Mueller.
He can't fire the States' Attorney's General.
Pandora's Box- Fraud,Tax evasion,Money laundering?
Just a start?
32   rocketjoe79   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 19, 1:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Tim Aurora says
Quigley says
Tim Aurora says
Even when Trump got elected using an enemy power ( and yes I am very convinced of that) , Democrats did not call it a coup but rather stuck to their democratic norms.


So even when they came up with a pet theory which had absolutely no factual evidence to suggest or prove any aspect of it, Democrats restrained themselves from seizing military control and organizing a White House coup? How magnanimous!


You did not get my point. Democrats could have call Trump's victory as a coup, as it was due to Russian meddling


This, after Obama plainly said during the election the chances of any foreign entity, including Russia, or hijacking the election was ZERO. So, you don't believe the current administration you didn't elect, but you happily disavow the previous one you did. You really can't have it both ways.
33   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 19, 1:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

rocketjoe79 says
This, after Obama plainly said during the election the chances of any foreign entity, including Russia, or hijacking the election was ZERO. So, you don't believe the current administration you didn't elect, but you happily disavow the previous one you did. You really can't have it both ways.



Let's go to the video tape. October, 2016, when Hillary was supposed to win by a landslide.

"What does that even mean? Where do I start?" snickered Obama when asked by a worshipful press for comments on Orange Douche's stance that he would contest a close elections. "Conspiracy Theory" "Federal Government doesn't run elections. States, Counties, Cities do."

Thanks for mentioning ANOTHER pre-positioning 4D Trump Move that came back to bite the Democrats, can't believe I forgot that one. He trolled them into taking a firm stance that it was impossible to rig the national election. Promptly upon losing, the Democrats and the Media's Very Serious People who had mocked Trump's "Conspiracy Theory" invented a slew of their own over Putin.
34   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 19, 1:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

TwoScoopsMcGee says
Yes, Trump is really cozying up to Iran. I mean, c'mon man
That's because he's not on Team Putin. If you assume that we were on the same side and could together have a monopoly on nukes (not true anyway), then you would have to assume that we have the same goals. But Putin is not going to roll over and switch sides to take our national interests up are they? What kind of dream land must one be in to assume such a thing? There are strategic reasons that we are not on Team Putin, and Iran is one obvious one. Ukraine is another. Sure, it would be great if we got along with Russia, as long as Russia didn't fuck us over. But, Team Trump was just going to give away the store without getting anything in return. At least Obama got something for what he gave away in the Iran deal (like the deal or not).

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