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1   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 21, 6:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

He did? So all companies are paying $15/hour now?

Awesome!
2   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 21, 6:47am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

Aaah a socialist mad that workers are getting back money due to trump's tax cuts. How sweet.
3   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 21, 6:59am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

This is terrible. How dare corporations give away shareholder wealth to it's slave exploited employees. Who the hell do they think they are?
With capitalists like that, who needs socialists.
4   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Dec 21, 7:08am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

By my math that works out (assuming all 3000 are actually at minimum wage, which they aren't by a long shot) AT MOST 30 million a year or 15% of the 200 million plus bancorp is getting from the tax cut. .

Before you get your dick all hard and your voice hoarse from cheering trump over what is so far a pretty token gesture let's see what percentage of companies actually do what. So far the count is 2 (bancorp and wells fargo, banks are not major employers of minimum wage workers so 15 an hour minimum is not much of a giveback for banks) giving some part of the tax cut windfall to employees wages and several hundred that have announced major stock buybacks Like Boeing 18 billion, Home depot 15 billion, pfiezer 10 billion, oracle 12 billion, etc., etc. etc.. Executive compensation hasn't been announced yet and neither has dividends.
5   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 21, 7:23am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_e144f says
By my math that works out (assuming all 3000 are actually at minimum wage, which they aren't by a long shot) AT MOST 30 million a year or 15% of the 200 million plus bancorp is getting from the tax cut. .

Before you get your dick all hard and your voice hoarse from cheering trump over what is so far a pretty token gesture let's see what percentage of companies actually do what.


Ahhh my dear socialist friends want more and more. "Give them an inch, and they want a mile" Such gratitude.
6   anotheraccount   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 21, 7:26am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Ahhh my dear socialist friends want more and more. "Give them an inch, and they want a mile" Such gratitude.


Don't you think it's the corporations that are getting the fat tax cut that are socialists here? As always, Republican definition of socialism is screwed up, Remember Bush chose to do it directly, send everyone $300 check while giving rich people a huge tax cut and racking up deficits for the next almost two decades.
7   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 21, 7:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anotheraccount says
Strategist says
Ahhh my dear socialist friends want more and more. "Give them an inch, and they want a mile" Such gratitude.


Don't you think it's the corporations that are getting the fat tax cut that are socialists here?


The citizen is getting a tax cut too. The tax cut that corporations get, trickles down to the 401K plans the citizen has, as does the increased wages and bonuses.
8   anotheraccount   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 21, 7:39am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
The tax cut that corporations get, trickles down to the 401K plans the citizen has, as does the increased wages and bonuses.


Does enough of it trickle down to compensate for the huge deficit that it will incur annually? I don't think. There is not historic evidence of that when the tax rates are already low.
9   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 21, 7:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anotheraccount says
Strategist says
The tax cut that corporations get, trickles down to the 401K plans the citizen has, as does the increased wages and bonuses.


Does enough of it trickle down to compensate for the huge deficit that it will incur annually? I don't think. There is not historic evidence of that when the tax rates are already low.


Does not have to.
10   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 21, 8:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Remember what Pelosi, Schumer and all their friends were saying:
"It's a tax cut for the top 1%"
"The middle class will pay more"
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Hey Pelosi, feeling stupid yet?
11   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 21, 8:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Economists can study this and determine what might help labor while not driving jobs overseas or hindering hiring.
$15 is marketing, and probably too high. $7.50 or whatever it is is probably too low. Hillary knew this, but didn't fight for it, b/c she was too wishy washy and was not a leader.
12   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2017 Dec 21, 8:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

anon_e144f says

Before you get your dick all hard and your voice hoarse from cheering trump over what is so far a pretty token gesture let's see what percentage of companies actually do what. So far the count is 2 (bancorp and wells fargo, banks are not major employers of minimum wage workers so 15 an hour minimum is not much of a giveback for banks) giving some part of the tax cut windfall to employees wages and several hundred that have announced major stock buybacks Like Boeing 18 billion, Home depot 15 billion, pfiezer 10 billion, oracle 12 billion, etc., etc. etc.. Executive compensation hasn't been announced yet and neither has dividends.


Yes it's quite possible that rich people will make out to. What would you have us do? Reverse the $15 hour pay raises because some fatcats might benefit as well?

Do you clowns listen to yourselves?
13   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 21, 9:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says

Yes it's quite possible that rich people will make out to. What would you have us do? Reverse the $15 hour pay raises because some fatcats might benefit as well?

Do you clowns listen to yourselves?


Is this really so difficult to understand? Smart people would have you enact a tax plan that gave the majority of benefits to the middle class rather than the 1%.
14   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Dec 21, 10:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
anotheraccount says
Strategist says
Ahhh my dear socialist friends want more and more. "Give them an inch, and they want a mile" Such gratitude.


Don't you think it's the corporations that are getting the fat tax cut that are socialists here?


The citizen is getting a tax cut too. The tax cut that corporations get, trickles down to the 401K plans the citizen has, as does the increased wages and bonuses.


Wait, weren't the Socialists here stating that those EVIL corporations will just give the additional profits to the CEOs and NOT let them trickle down the stairway to the employees??

Were they wrong? (again)
15   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Dec 21, 10:40am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Remember what Pelosi, Schumer and all their friends were saying:
"It's a tax cut for the top 1%"
"The middle class will pay more"


No--do you have links to those quotes?

What they actually said was that the vast majority of the tax cut is going to the very wealthy. Which it is. Most estimates I've seen show 2/3 of the gains initially rising to 5/6 of the gains by 2025 going to the uber rich.

Those are facts. It's a massive giveaway to the donors of the Republican party. Hell, Republican Congressmen were quite open about saying that they had to pass this bill or else their funding would dry up.

You didn't really think this tax plan was to help the economy or the middle class, did you?
16   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Dec 21, 10:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Just paying their employees what they will need to eat. When all that money comes back on shore from the likes of Apple inflation is going to go through the roof. We'll need to raise minimum to $20 or higher just to keep the economy going.
17   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Dec 21, 10:41am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
Reverse the $15 hour pay raises because some fatcats might benefit as well?


Actually not giving the fat cats a tax cut when the economy is running just fine would be the answer.
18   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Dec 21, 10:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Socialism is taking money from A by force and giving it to B. Taking less from A is not socialism.

anotheraccount says
Strategist says
The tax cut that corporations get, trickles down to the 401K plans the citizen has, as does the increased wages and bonuses.


Does enough of it trickle down to compensate for the huge deficit that it will incur annually? I don't think. There is not historic evidence of that when the tax rates are already low.
19   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Dec 21, 10:44am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's decided, Republicans are just a bunch of felchers.
20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Dec 21, 1:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
Is this really so difficult to understand? Smart people would have you enact a tax plan that gave the majority of benefits to the middle class rather than the 1%.


Does this look like it's going only to the 1%?

21   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2017 Dec 21, 2:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

anon_961a0 says

Actually not giving the fat cats a tax cut when the economy is running just fine would be the answer.


Who says it's running fine?
People need more than a burger counter job if we're ever going to buy a house.
Sorry rent seekers people still are living the dream or at least dreaming the dream.

I say place a Federal Property tax on all Single Family homes that is not owner occupied.
Even multi family units make them sell them off to people that need a place to call their own.
22   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 21, 3:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_8d9b9 says
HappyGilmore says
Is this really so difficult to understand? Smart people would have you enact a tax plan that gave the majority of benefits to the middle class rather than the 1%.


Does this look like it's going only to the 1%?



I believe that is called game, set, match.
23   bob2356   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 21, 3:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_37bba says
Wait, weren't the Socialists here stating that those EVIL corporations will just give the additional profits to the CEOs and NOT let them trickle down the stairway to the employees??

Were they wrong? (again)


All 2 of them?
24   bob2356   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 21, 4:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
The chart below proves the statement wrong.

The good news is that there aren’t many who will pay higher taxes next year — about 8.5 million, compared to the some 143 million who will get lower taxes.

For the most popular bracket of what the Tax Policy Center calls expanded cash income level, the $50,000 to $75,000 range, will see an average tax change of $870.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/here-are-the-winners-and-losers-of-the-final-version-of-the-republican-tax-bill-2017-12-18


anon_8d9b9 says


I'm very curious how Market Watch came up with these numbers. I went directly to Tax Policy Center and looked at the report. Here is what I found at the bottom of the distribution chart.

We do not show distributional results for 2018 because the combination of a broader corporate base in 2018 and no corporate rate cut until 2019 makes 2018 law unrepresentative of the effects of the proposal’s corporate tax changes on taxpayer.

So how did Market Watch come up with 2018 numbers from Tax Policy Center which didn't publish 2018 numbers? Something is very odd about this chart everyone is salivating over. No definition of what expanding cash income level means either I notice. Anyone want to explain how this all works?
25   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 21, 6:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
anon_37bba says
Wait, weren't the Socialists here stating that those EVIL corporations will just give the additional profits to the CEOs and NOT let them trickle down the stairway to the employees??

Were they wrong? (again)


All 2 of them?


No socialist thinks "trickle down" is a fact. Every one of them felt only the rich would benefit. Including you.
26   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2017 Dec 21, 6:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Bette Midler hates Trump Asskissers, and the fact her taxes went up 3%.



Wait, I thought the rich were getting big tax cuts and the middle and working classes nothing?
27   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2017 Dec 21, 7:53pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
So how did Market Watch come up with 2018 numbers from Tax Policy Center which didn't publish 2018 numbers?


They didn't??

Funny how I easily found the report when reading the article linked in the post.

Reading, try it sometime. It's amazing the things that can be learned!
28   Strategist   ignore (3)   2017 Dec 21, 8:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Funny how I easily found the report when reading the article linked in the post.

Reading, try it sometime. It's amazing the things that can be learned!


Can you not give him ideas? I like him just the way he is, full of nonsense and fun to kick around.
29   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 22, 4:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Something is very odd about this chart everyone is salivating over.

One thing that is odd is that each set of bars should add to 100%, since everyone is getting a cut or a raise. Very few pay zero with no credits - a no change.
Also it is not showing the size of the cuts. It only shows what percentage is getting something, and what percentage is getting screwed.
30   Quigley   ignore (0)   2017 Dec 22, 5:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Wait, I thought the rich were getting big tax cuts and the middle and working classes nothing?


Whoops! Big Hollyweird star shoots her own argument in the face!
31   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2017 Dec 22, 10:46am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
It is a FACT that the vast majority of the gains go to the wealthy.


Maybe that's because they pay the bulk of the taxes NOW.

Should we give more tax gains to the 47% that pay ZERO federal tax now?
32   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Dec 22, 10:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Also it is not showing the size of the cuts. It only shows what percentage is getting something, and what percentage is getting screwed.


How can it show the size of the cuts? That will vary.

Everyone's income, deductions, etc. and personal situation is different.
33   anonymous   ignore (null)   2017 Dec 22, 5:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
>No socialist thinks "trickle down" is a fact. Every one of them felt only the rich would benefit. Including you.>

Yeah, nobody even believed that shit in 1929, y'all are dumb enough to stand for it now though.

And when Republicans caused the depression they got locked out from holding office for decades.

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