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Cops shoot another unarmed innocent.

By HEYYOU following x   2017 Dec 31, 12:09pm 597 views   25 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


#politics
" Police didn't find any weapons on him and officers learned he did not make the 911 call,"

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/la-man-arrested-over-swatting-incident-led-police-072205194--abc-news-topstories.html
2nd Amendment rules!
Cops get shot in Denver.
Just collateral damage.
What goes around comes around.
1   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (2)   2017 Dec 31, 12:59pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Geez did you ever miss the point of the article you linked.
2   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2017 Dec 31, 1:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Guy plays all those violent computer games, and can't even wipe out a piddling SWAT team? FAIL!
3   HEYYOU   ignore (6)   2018 Jan 1, 10:30am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

PEACEandGOODWILL says
Geez did you ever miss the point of the article you linked.


"Police didn't find any weapons on him and officers learned he did not make the 911 call,"
Do you have a comprehension problem?
4   HEYYOU   ignore (6)   2018 Jan 1, 10:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

They deserved what they got.

"Sixty-eight of those killed by police this year were unarmed."
https://www.alternet.org/human-rights/police-violence-2017
5   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 10:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

"Swatting" (making false real-time accusations of gun threats via 911 calls) will soon become the preferred method for American women to murder their husbands. I'm sure it has already happened a few times.

That being said, that does not absolve the police from responsibility in shooting unarmed persons. No 911 call should be assumed to accurate. Caution should always be exercised. No person should be shot by police unless they have OBSERVABLY fired a gun at police or other person.
6   Sniper   ignore (10)   2018 Jan 1, 10:46am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

justme says
No person should be shot by police unless they have observably fired a gun at police.


Wait, didn't yo-u say a few months ago the guy shot by the police on a highway after firing first at the cops, was murdered by the cops?

Which is it?
7   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 1, 11:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

justme says
No person should be shot by police unless they have OBSERVABLY fired a gun at police or other person.


Jan 1 and Justme already wins POTY.
8   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 11:29am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

It is about time Patrick bans username changes and changes all usernames back to their originals. Who did PEACEandGOODWILL use to be? What past is he hiding from?
9   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 1, 5:59pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

justme says
It is about time Patrick bans username changes and changes all usernames back to their originals. Who did PEACEandGOODWILL use to be? What past is he hiding from?


I’m not hiding from anything. Click username and then comments and you should be able to figure it out in less than a minute. I’m trying to turn a new leaf and my prior username was a bit on the aggressive side.

Unlike many of the leftists on Pat.net I don’t think people lack intelligence because they differ from me on political points of view. However you are being pretty obtuse here, and your comment that I commented on was exceptionally ridiculous.
10   Booger   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 6:44pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

HEYYOU says
"Sixty-eight of those killed by police this year were unarmed


I'd like to see the police records of these 68.
11   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 1, 7:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Booger says
I'd like to see the police records of these 68.


Good point--anyone with a record is free game for cops to take out. Just as the founding fathers intended as AF would say.
12   Sniper   ignore (10)   2018 Jan 1, 7:54pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

HappyGilmore says
Booger says
I'd like to see the police records of these 68.


Good point--anyone with a record is free game for cops to take out. Just as the founding fathers intended as AF would say.


Exactly!! Because everyone knows, we need MORE laws that past felons will ignore, since they don't respect and follow EXISTING laws.
13   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 8:03pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Someone should make murder illegal.
Then we’d have no murder problem!
14   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 1, 8:06pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Booger says
HEYYOU says
"Sixty-eight of those killed by police this year were unarmed


I'd like to see the police records of these 68.


It will take you for ever. Here is the most likely summary of the 68:
90% arrested 3 times or more.
90% spent time in jail.
100% refused to obey the cop.
50% are murderers.
99% are high school dropouts.
99% have no job.
99% make their living with crime and welfare.
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I'm so glad the 68 are dead. 10 million more getting killed, and we should be crime free.
15   anon_b4665   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 8:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

@Patrick, there's a bug in the User comments section. If you want to search past comments by a user, and go to their page, you can click through the navigation buttons (like "previous") on the top, but what gets displayed as "comments" doesn't change, it's the same list of comments, not previous ones.
16   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 8:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

You're right! Thanks for telling me.

Fixed now. Here is the fix in the source code:

https://github.com/killelea/node.patrick.net/commit/63e6022b51218957e26e3f77852caf714ac5aec3
17   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 1, 8:10pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

justme says
No person should be shot by police unless they have OBSERVABLY fired a gun at police or other person.


Any person who refuses to obey a police officer when a gun is pointed at them should be shot atleast 3 times.
18   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 1, 10:08pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Strategist says
justme says
No person should be shot by police unless they have OBSERVABLY fired a gun at police or other person.


Any person who refuses to obey a police officer when a gun is pointed at them should be shot atleast 3 times.


What’s more is that anyone who disobeys a cop while the cop has a gun pointed at them is the true low intelligence idiot and should be proclaimed as such by the lefties much more vigorously than how they proclaim republicans.
19   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 1, 11:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Guns keep the meat from moving around after you told it not to.
20   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 2, 3:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says

Any person who refuses to obey a police officer when a gun is pointed at them should be shot atleast 3 times.


A person trying to pull up his sagging pants shouldn’t be shot for preserving modesty. That’s happened twice now in two weeks.
21   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 2, 8:29am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

PEACEandGOODWILL says
Strategist says
justme says
No person should be shot by police unless they have OBSERVABLY fired a gun at police or other person.


Any person who refuses to obey a police officer when a gun is pointed at them should be shot atleast 3 times.


What’s more is that anyone who disobeys a cop while the cop has a gun pointed at them is the true low intelligence idiot and should be proclaimed as such by the lefties much more vigorously than how they proclaim republicans.


Low intelligent criminals breed future low intelligent criminals. Everyone is better off with them being dead.
22   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 2, 11:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Strategist says
Low intelligent criminals breed future low intelligent criminals. Everyone is better off with them being dead.


They generally have a scattergram of welfare whelps by the time they get shot. Too late in Darwinian terms.
23   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 3, 2:36pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

A good article about the specific case of this thread

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/01/lee-camp-let-fix-ny-times-police-kill-another-innocent-man.html

A few days ago police in Kansas were called to a house by a prankster. They shot and killed the man who came to the door. He knew nothing about the prank call. (The term for such pranks is “swatting.”) This New York Times article would have you believe that what really matters in this murder was the fact that the cops were called by a prankster. But in truth, that should be nothing but a side note.

Police get called to scenes they don’t need to be at all the time. It’s not uncommon. Whether it’s because someone thinks their neighbor’s music is too loud or because a mentally ill man is peeing in a fountain. A lot of what the police are SUPPOSED to do is show up somewhere and NOT shoot whoever they see. In fact, that’s MOST of their job. But what the NY Times won’t tell you about policing in America could drown a small town.
24   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 3, 3:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

More quotes from the above:

In this article, the NY Times won’t tell you that the police in many states receive less training than hair stylists or electricians or just about any skilled jobs. This is one of the reasons they always seem to be killing, injuring, and maiming innocent people. Another reason – which the NY Times won’t tell you – is that many cops (perhaps as high as 25% in cities) are using steroids. And the side effects of steroid abuse are EXACTLY the traits you DON’T want police to have. “The stunning succession of recent front-page examples of police officers who exhibit rage, aggression and/or poor judgment (all symptoms of possible steroid abuse) in confrontations with citizens should ring alarm bells, experts say.”

Yet the NY Times reporter goes with the government/police line that the REAL problem is the pranksters who call the cops. Sure, we shouldn’t like pranksters calling the cops. BUT the real point is – it SHOULDN’T MATTER. If the cops are called to the wrong place, they should be rational enough to figure out, “Hey, there is no crime going on here. Let’s not kill anybody.”
25   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 9, 2:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

You’ll notice this police encounter, relative to what was at stake, has the officer quickly escalating and making an illegal demand, basically because he can. And consider the various factors that led to different results than in other exchanges with the police.

I shared with Yves a story about a recent experience about an encounter with the police a few days ago that she thought was worth relating. I am white, which unfortunately is a fact I need to add, since that has become relevant in interpreting any interaction with police.

My family and I spent several days around Christmas with my brother and his family. He lives on Cape Cod and and has prominence akin to that of a school principal, meaning a large portion of the local population knows who he is and, as far as I can tell, likes him.

The weather got very cold right after Christmas, with lows in the single digits Fahrenheit. It’s hard to get much exercise outside in this kind of weather, but a couple of days ago, I woke up early and decided to walk a few miles to the beach and back. Luckily, I had packed my fancy, “rich guy” cold weather gear – a GoreTex ski jacket and ski pants. So I bundled up and set off.

My route to the shore took me through an industrial park, which certainly wasn’t the most pedestrian-friendly path (no sidewalk, minimal landscaping). On my return through it, I passed a medical lab and saw parked in front a car that I had a vague interest in (a new Subaru station wagon; a friend had urged me to consider a Subaru as a replacement for our workhorse family car).

I stopped to look at it from several feet away and, within 30 seconds, a burly guy came sprinting through the lab’s front door demanding to know why I was there. I asked him if the car was his and he said yes. We chatted for a few moments, and he seemed to relax. I wished him a good day and continued on my way.

I had walked another half mile when I saw a police car approaching from the opposite direction. As it got near me, moving very slowly, it pushed its nose off the road, blocking my path. Immediately, I knew that I was about to have an “encounter” with the police.

Several thoughts immediately sprung to mind. First, I have seen the “Never Talk to the Police” YouTube video, which Yves has discussed. So I was determined to be very careful about what I said. Second, I’ve seen many videos of civilian encounters with the police, so I thought I understood how citizens get bullied or tricked into surrendering their rights. Third, I recognized that citizens get killed far too often because they aren’t able to keep the emotional component of the encounter from spinning out of control, or they just make the mistake of reaching into their pocket without permission and end up getting shot. So I was determined to be calm and careful.

The cop quickly jumped out of his SUV and with no greeting or preliminaries stated his demand, “I need to see some ID.”

I responded, “Why?”

“I just need to see some ID. Just help me out here.”

At this moment, I was reflecting on the fact that I was unsure about whether Massachusetts has a “stop and ID” law requiring citizens to identify themselves when the police have a reasonable suspicion that a person may have committed a crime (I don’t live in Massachusetts). But I was fairly certain that even states with “stop and ID” laws require probable cause. By the way, I later learned that there is no “stop and ID” law in Massachusetts.

Me. “I think you need some kind of probable cause belief that I have committed a crime to force me to show ID.”

Cop, dripping with sarcasm. “Oh, you’re one of those kind of people. I’ll arrest you right now, and we’ll go down to the station. You’ll be there all day, and you’ll have to show me ID.”

Full Article w/decent comments section: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/01/tense-new-england-police-encounter-confirms-national-police-id-database.html#comment-2906728

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