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The Solution to Almost All Sexual Harassment Complaints

By rando following x   2018 Jan 1, 12:21pm 3,857 views   42 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


The solution is simple, it's ancient, and it works: Any woman who agrees to be alone with a man must be considered to have given consent to a sexual relationship with him.

Women have agency. Men are required by biology and custom to initiate sexual contact, but women are not mere passive beings acted upon by men. Women need to take responsibility for their own actions. Being together alone implies consent. It has always been that way at some level of consciousness, and it should be the law. Note that I'm not saying that force should be allowed in any circumstance, only that if a woman voluntarily goes into a private space with a man, with no witnesses, it should be assumed that she intends to have sex with him. If you see a man and a woman happily go into a hotel room and shut the door, what do you assume? You are absolutely correct in assuming that. It's just human biology, without which we would not be here to even have this discussion.

A corollary law should be that jobs must never require anyone to be alone with a co-worker of the opposite gender. Or homosexuals of the same gender.

Young starlets who want that next big role know damn well what they are doing with Cosby, or worse, Weinstein. They should have no recourse if Cosby or Weinstein correctly interprets their actions.

Mike Pence, whatever else you may think of him, understands this clearly and so will never even let himself be alone with a woman who is not his wife. Devout Jews, Christians, Hindus, and Muslims all understand this as well, and it been part of these religions since their beginnings. There is indeed some wisdom in religious prohibitions.

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3   rando   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 1:18pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BlueSardine says
So the male boss calls the female employee into his office for whatever purposes.
The only way your thesis works is if there is a law that a third party must be present in these types of situations.
And since we now have 57 flavors of gender, that would change to "every office interaction must have a minimum 3 people present".


This is actually why no modern office buildings have closed offices that others cannot see into. There is always a window these days, and the reason is exactly to avoid the lack of witnesses.

There are two genders, only two. There is no human on earth who does not have exactly two biological parents.
4   HEYYOU   ignore (16)   2018 Jan 1, 1:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

All women should be able to carry firearms without restrictions.
When they are touched,by Short Dickers without permission,women can blow away these Limp Penises.
STAND YOUR GROUND!
Bloody dicks & balls laying all over the office floor.
5   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 1, 2:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Patrick says
if a woman voluntarily goes into a private space with a man, with no witnesses, it should be assumed that she intends to have sex with him


Can't she change her mind after she gets alone with the man? What if he pulls out a 16 inch green dick? You can take this extreme example and work your way gradually back (e.g. what if it is a 15 inch green dick, what if she finds out at that moment that he had fucked her grandma, what if...?)
6   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 2:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Depending on the woman, men already practice this albeit in a limited fashion. Some women when they get pressure start screaming and push them further to do their damn job-will result in all these kind of allegations.

Back then she was a crazy screaming bitch-now she is a victim who has to be believed no matter what.
7   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 3:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

It is wildly ironic to read that Patrick is basically arguing for Sharia law. But he already knew that :).
8   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 3:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

By the way, how does one prevent this spoken or unspoken but implied proposition: "Unless you come alone into a room with me after work, you will never get a promotion".

EDIT: "almost all", okay, I get it. But it just means that almost all SH will migrate to the other form.
9   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 4:32pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FP says
Can't she change her mind after she gets alone with the man?


No, absolutely not. If she was voluntarily alone with him, that should be taken as evidence of consent in every court of law.

The point is to have simple and objective standards of guilt, and not guilt which is variable depending on the mood of the accuser at the time, or variable retroactively.

The standard should be extremely simple so there is no ambiguity: if you're voluntarily alone together, you expect to have sex. If you did not intend to have sex, you should not have agreed to be alone together.

If you want to examine a guy's dick before deciding whether to have sex with him, fine, then leave immediately after unsatisfactory examination. But don't examine his dick and then claim you meant nothing sexual about it, and that he is harassing you by letting you examine his dick. Continued presence is continued consent.

justme says
Patrick is basically arguing for Sharia law.


All religions are the same in this respect. It's the secular world that needs to acknowledge the wisdom of religious tradition here.
10   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 4:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

And yes, this means that male gynecologists should also never be alone with female patients. There are plenty of real life examples illustrating why.

Nurse must be present.
11   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 1, 4:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Not just gynecologist--every male doctor.
12   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 1, 5:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Patrick says
If you want to examine a guy's dick before deciding whether to have sex with him, fine,


But it has to be done in front of witnesses according to your rule, right? Otherwise irrevocable consent has already been given, so the examination would be pointless.

And of course your rule means a person can fuck his/her spouse (see, I am careful) practically whenever they wish. (Is this your problem, by the way?)
14   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 1, 7:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

So if I (a dude) own a small business, and I want a receptionist for my office I must hire a third person to sit there if I hire a woman?
15   rando   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 7:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FP says
Otherwise irrevocable consent has already been given, so the examination would be pointless.


No, she would have to claim forcible rape at that point, a much more serious charge.

Remember, I'm not saying force should ever be allowed, only that the law should not be selectively enforced depending on the whims and motives of the plaintiff.

anon_d06f9 says
So if I (a dude) own a small business, and I want a receptionist for my office I must hire a third person to sit there if I hire a woman?


No, you need a third person only when you would otherwise be alone together. If there are others about, and the door is open, no problem.
16   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 1, 7:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

We would be "alone together" every day in my office suite. And no one else is around as I am currently the only tenant on the second floor.

So I would need to hire a third person which is ridiculous.
17   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 7:22pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_d06f9 says
We would be "alone together" every day in my office suite. And no one else is around as I am currently the only tenant on the second floor.

So I would need to hire a third person which is ridiculous.


You're already in extreme danger with just two people in the office, because you as the male are liable for anything she says you did. Mere accusations are considered proof against men. Anti-male sexism is the rule, not the exception. And if she can take all your money and shut down your business, there are plenty of hard-core feminist lawyers who will encourage help her for a percentage. Research the history of Gloria Allred to see what you're up against. There will be no mercy at all for you. Your balls are their food.

You're much better off with a third person. It's your safety at stake here.
18   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 7:25pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_d06f9 says
So if I (a dude) own a small business, and I want a receptionist for my office I must hire a third person to sit there if I hire a woman?

If you don't want Gloria Allred/Lisa Bloom releasing your photo to the media calling you a rapist 40 years after the fact and then suing you for everything you got-yes.
19   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 7:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Thanks lostand confused, you brought up Gloria Allred even before I finished editing my own comment!
20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 1, 7:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

You and I disagree as to the risk a man runs hiring a woman as somewhere between 95-99% of these sort of office situations work out just fine.

Either way I was looking for you to acknowledge the enormous societal/financial cost of your proposal which you just did.
21   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 7:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_d06f9 says
between 95-99% of these sort of office situations work out just fine


Kind of like the risk of getting AIDS from a stranger. Not a problem most of the time, so why bother with a condom?
22   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 1, 7:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Yes if the "cost" of a condom was prohibitive it would make more financial sense to rely on the fact that 95-99% of the time you will be just fine.
23   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (32)   2018 Jan 1, 8:06pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Lady, you want a job here, you'll be sucking cock all day or not, for any reason or no reason. That's the deal.
24   rando   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 8:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It's not the lady that's in danger.

It's more like "Dude, you want to employ a woman, you'll have unlimited liability depending solely on what she says about you for any reason or no reason. That's the deal."
25   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Jan 1, 8:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I had a landlord wife show up onetime to collect the rent. She was flipping her hair, chatty laughing smiling. it was just me in the one bedroom apartment.
I really had to beat back my urges, but the whole "Don't shit where you eat" thing kept popping in my head.
Every time I saw her after that, she was strictly business rarely smiled.

I've noticed that many times, when I'm in similar situations and internally agonizing if this chick is hitting on me, is this a booty call, should I?
Almost always every single time the next time I saw them. Those girls are never send any signals that could be vaguely construed as interested let alone flirtations.

I think if a woman comes in your house or room when it's just the two of you, or invite you to their house during an odd time of day or circumstances.
She's looking for something, if they leave frustrated they feel stupid and resent you for it. If you take it, and they later feel bitter and resentful in life they resent you for that too.

I always resist those urges, when I thought it was inappropriate and could blow up or backfire on me. Like someone's girlfriend, wife.

Otherwise if it was a woman I was interested in and didn't care who knew it, I've gotten laid every time I thought they were sending those messages.
26   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 1, 10:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says

justme says
Patrick is basically arguing for Sharia law.


All religions are the same in this respect. It's the secular world that needs to acknowledge the wisdom of religious tradition here.


Kind of, but I think Sharia law is much stricter than any quasi-Christian law or rules that I have heard of. Besides, I know of no such Christian rule being codified as law at the present time in any country of the world.

Wikipedia: "Testimony to establish the crime of adultery, fornication or rape must be from four Muslim male witnesses, with some fiqhs allowing substitution of up to three male with six female witnesses; however, at least one must be a Muslim male."

Nobody get me wrong, I hate false rape allegations and false allegations of any kind (incl sexual harassment) with a passion. I just couldn't resist teasing Patrick a bit about his sudden fondness for Sharia-like principles.
27   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 2, 5:11am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Pence's rule no longer seems so silly, given the past few months of claims and charges running around.
28   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 2, 5:49am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Why bring Rin into the conversation?

Patrick says
anon_d06f9 says
between 95-99% of these sort of office situations work out just fine


Kind of like the risk of getting AIDS from a stranger.
29   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 2, 10:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sharia law prohibits both rape and non-marital sex. But if implemented properly, it is actually quite forgiving in prosecuting such cases.

Why do I say that ? Because as per Sharia law, you need 4 witnesses to the act of sexual intercourse. Seeing the act is defined as actually seeing the male penis penetrating the female vagina. Now we all know that such situations with 4 witnesses are rare in real life, unless one chooses to have sex in public or on camera.

So, if sharia law were to be implemented in true spirit (unlike most Muslim countries now) there could be a lot of non-marital sex going on behind closed doors, but few prosecutions every year (think Dubai or Turkey model.)

As per sharia law, If a woman willfully goes into a closed room, alone with a man, and accuses him of rape, she puts herself in a precarious position. Because she has no witnesses to prove that intercourse actually took place. So technically, under a liberal interpretation of Sharia, they should both be let off with a stern warning. But in reality what sometimes happens is - the woman gets thrown in jail and the man walks free.
30   georgeliberte   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 3, 7:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says, “Women have agency.” Correct they do and most certainly my wife has plenty. But Radical Feminist do a mental gymnastics where women have agency, are the total equals or betters of m ales in every way, and yet somehow are not responsible for their actions. Thus, “Mere accusations are considered proof against men. Anti-male sexism is the rule, not the exception.” Doncha know girls are not responsible for bad things that hap
31   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 3, 7:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Any woman who agrees to be alone with a man must be considered to have given consent to a sexual relationship with him.


Super! When on a business trip, invite a female colleague over to review "the business plan."
32   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 3, 8:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BlueSardine says
a third party must be present in these types of situations
Common practice with physician and patient when there are opposite sexes involved.
33   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 19, 10:34am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

What if she is wearing this:
34   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 19, 10:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

rando says
It's not the lady that's in danger.

It's more like "Dude, you want to employ a woman, you'll have unlimited liability depending solely on what she says about you for any reason or no reason. That's the deal."


Absolutely and many small biz owners will tell you off the record that they avoid hiring women for that reason. Muh discrimination! ;)
35   HEYYOU   ignore (16)   2018 Jan 19, 11:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Any woman who agrees to be alone with a man must be considered to have given consent to a sexual relationship with him.


Got that BITCHES?
My wife doesn't want to be alone with me. Smart woman!

To parapharse Chris Rock about LYING women:
Your wearing heels,you're not that tall.
Your wearing extensions,you're hair's not that long.
Your using dye,your hair's not that color.
Those aren't your eyelashes.Your complexion is not that color or that smooth.
Contacts? What color are your eyes? Really what color are your lips,brilliant red?
........
Your butt is that big!
36   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 19, 11:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FP says
Patrick says
if a woman voluntarily goes into a private space with a man, with no witnesses, it should be assumed that she intends to have sex with him


Can't she change her mind after she gets alone with the man? What if he pulls out a 16 inch green dick? You can take this extreme example and work your way gradually back (e.g. what if it is a 15 inch green dick, what if she finds out at that moment that he had fucked her grandma, what if...?)


Possible but then there should be clear marks of violence on her body next to his DNA as well as sperm. You can't come out and say I consider it rape now because his dick didn't feel good. Believe me any man who has sampled a bit knows that there are vajs that don't feel (or smell) good either, but sometimes you have to take out the scuba gear and suck it up, or respectfully leave without crying wolf. It's part of being treated equal regardless of gender.
37   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 19, 11:15am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Btw. if you want to see a real shit show tell her you reconsidered after she stripped down naked for you and you're passing on sex and tell her to put the clothes back on, You will be verbally and possibly physically assaulted for not sexually assaulting her after she stripped down (because womyns 'logic') and she will never forgive you. Ah the good old bachelor days...
38   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 19, 11:21am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

At that point you gotta give up the head, the drama ain't worth the alternative. Hell hath no fury, so hold the nose, and remember the mouthwash.
39   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (32)   2018 Jan 19, 11:42am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FP says
What if he pulls out a 16 inch green dick?


Works great at the parking lot at the Piggly Wiggly for me.
40   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 19, 11:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Or just tape all sexual encounters for convenient use in court later.

drBu
41   georgeliberte   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 19, 11:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

What if he pulls out a 16 inch green dick? Kermit the Frog?

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