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Bannon calls Trump Tower meeting Treasonous

By Tim Aurora following x   2018 Jan 3, 11:07am 8,112 views   61 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff
Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon has described the Trump Tower meeting between the president’s son and a group of Russians during the 2016 election campaign as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic”, according to an explosive new book seen by the Guardian.

Bannon, speaking to author Michael Wolff, warned that the investigation into alleged collusion with the Kremlin will focus on money laundering and predicted: “They’re going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV.”

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22   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 3, 6:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

anon_d06f9 says
Either way, I for one am fucking sick of all this shit. I wouldn't call what I have TDS, but it is basically Trump Fatigue - I would LOVE it to go back to normalcy of the pre-trump era where you don't have to try and decipher what could easily be 18D chess OR true idiocy.


I find it hard to believe that an egomaniac like Trump would be OK with basically everyone who's ever worked with him calling him a mental midget for a few bucks.
23   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 3, 6:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
This is well established. It was backers of Rubio that initially commissioned it.

I am specifically talking about the 9 million dollar plus that changed hands from Hilalry/DNC to the Russians through an intermediary-Fusion GPS.
24   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 3, 6:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
I am specifically talking about the 9 million dollar plus that changed hands from Hilalry/DNC to the Russians through an intermediary-Fusion GPS.


Source? I haven't seen anything saying how much the Clinton campaign paid--what have you seen?
25   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 3, 6:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
I am specifically talking about the 9 million dollar plus that changed hands from Hilalry/DNC to the Russians through an intermediary-Fusion GPS.


And if the FBI also paid Steele or FusionGPS on top of that. AND, if it was the 'insurance' that was talked about, to try to get the FISA warrant a second time. Which turned up nothing, by the way.

In any case, notice the endless leaks in the WH stopped very quickly around the time Bannon left/was fired.
26   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 3, 6:54pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says

Source? I haven't seen anything saying how much the Clinton campaign paid--what have you seen?

That is new low. I will just start with an NYT report. I can give you hundreds of links from Mook to everyone else-but hey you know and willa rgue and say hey Hilalry didn't sign the check -so she didn't know. Please. This si treason and should be what the special counsel be investigating.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/us/politics/clinton-dnc-russia-dossier.html
27   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 3, 6:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

By the way from my link above and the WAPO article,

"A DNC spokeswoman said “[Chairman] Tom Perez and the new leadership of the DNC were not involved in any decision-making regarding Fusion GPS"

That is the official statement of the DNC-not denial, but -oh well. The incompetent nincompoop Sessions needs to be fired and DNC and Clinton need to be investigated for treason.
28   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jan 3, 7:08pm   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (5)   quote   flag        

anon_d06f9 says
I would LOVE it to go back to normalcy of the pre-trump era


Yo-u mean the "normalcy" of a flat stock market, rising food stamp usage, manufacturing leaving the country, flat job growth (except for part time jobs), war on cops and the military, worsening race relations, under 3% GDP growth, higher medical costs (insurance, copays, deductibles), failing labor participation rates, increase people in poverty, lower home ownership, doubling of the national debt???

Is that the "normalcy" yo-u want back?
29   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 3, 7:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
"A DNC spokeswoman said “[Chairman] Tom Perez and the new leadership of the DNC were not involved in any decision-making regarding Fusion GPS"


Of course not. We know from Donna Brazille that the Hillary Camp took over the DNC in return for fundraising.

Note "Decision-Making" not "Not involved" as a blanket statement.
30   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 3, 8:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

As the campaign came to an end, Trump himself was sanguine. His ultimate goal, after all, had never been to win. “I can be the most famous man in the world,” he had told his aide Sam Nunberg at the outset of the race. His longtime friend Roger Ailes, the former head of Fox News, liked to say that if you want a career in television, first run for president. Now Trump, encouraged by Ailes, was floating rumors about a Trump network. It was a great future. He would come out of this campaign, Trump assured Ailes, with a far more powerful brand and untold opportunities.

“This is bigger than I ever dreamed of,” he told Ailes a week before the election. “I don’t think about losing, because it isn’t losing. We’ve totally won.”

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html
Okay, if this sample from New York and it leads with the idea that Trump didn't want to be President, then the whole book is a fantasy.
31   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 3, 8:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Yo-u mean the "normalcy" of a flat stock market, rising food stamp usage, manufacturing leaving the country, flat job growth (except for part time jobs), war on cops and the military, worsening race relations, under 3% GDP growth, higher medical costs (insurance, copays, deductibles), failing labor participation rates, increase people in poverty, lower home ownership, doubling of the national debt???

Is that the "normalcy" yo-u want back?


Walk back the flatness of the stock market which rose from around 3K to 19K in the last 25 years (i.e. Clinton, Bush and Obama). Aside from that as to everything else you said...

ABSOLUTELY AND EMPHATICALLY YES - I would take ALL of your parade of horrors which as been mostly part of the last 25 years (some of which will continue to be true even if trump lasts 8 years). I would have happily taken Pence, Kasich, Huntsman, etc. etc. and even the occasional democrat - versus the giant derp - counter derp shit show that constantly eminates from DC now that Trump is in office.
32   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 3, 8:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Watching the Trumpcucks pretend this doesn’t exist is hilarious.


They will
a) not read the link at all
b) attack the commenter's personal life
c) attack the source for not measuring up to Infowars, Drudge, Fox and Breitbart deplorable examples
d) flip the subject to Clinton, Obama, Soros, SJWs
e) copy and paste a cartoon frog
33   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 3, 8:30pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump committed treason. "Yeah but Clinton!!!!!"
Trump threatens nuclear war often. "Yeah but Clinton!!!!!"
Trump burns down the state department and blows up decades of slowly built diplomacy. "Yeah but Clinton!!!!"
It's possible Trump is medically delusional, as in for real real. "Yeah but Clinton!!!!"

Having fun yet?
34   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 3, 8:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
The Guardian? They are farther Radical Left with their TDS than WaPo and NYT.


But not as far left as snopes.com
35   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 3, 11:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
lostand confused says
I am specifically talking about the 9 million dollar plus that changed hands from Hilalry/DNC to the Russians through an intermediary-Fusion GPS.


And if the FBI also paid Steele or FusionGPS on top of that. AND, if it was the 'insurance' that was talked about, to try to get the FISA warrant a second time. Which turned up nothing, by the way.

In any case, notice the endless leaks in the WH stopped very quickly around the time Bannon left/was fired.


I could shoot a baby on 5th avenue and oh muh gawd Hillary Clinton look over there! Clinton!!
36   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 3, 11:51pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

When are Bannon and Trump going to solve this like REAL men: in an all star wrestling match, bashing each other with folding chairs.
37   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 4, 4:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
That is new low. I will just start with an NYT report. I can give you hundreds of links from Mook to everyone else-but hey you know and willa rgue and say hey Hilalry didn't sign the check -so she didn't know. Please. This si treason and should be what the special counsel be investigating.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/us/politics/clinton-dnc-russia-dossier.html


Unfortunately, this isn't a new low. This is typical for you. The article never states $9MM. Did you make that number up or do you have a different source you haven't provided?
38   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 4, 7:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
When are Bannon and Trump going to solve this like REAL men: in an all star wrestling match, bashing each other with folding chairs.

A President would never do something so undignified. Oh, wait a minute.
39   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jan 5, 12:04pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Oh snap, but I'm sure, this time, he's more accurate and factual and uses less imagination.


Ha Ha ha, guess what, he wasn't more factual!!

The author of the explosive new Trump book says he can't be sure if parts of it are true.

The author of the explosive new book about Donald Trump's presidency acknowledged in an author's note that he wasn't certain all of its content was true.

Michael Wolff, the author of "Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House," included a note at the start that casts significant doubt on the reliability of the specifics contained in the rest of its pages.

Here is the relevant part of the note, from the 10th page of the book's prologue:

"Many of the accounts of what has happened in the Trump White House are in conflict with one another; many, in Trumpian fashion, are baldly untrue. These conflicts, and that looseness with the truth, if not with reality itself, are an elemental thread of the book.

(Translation: I'll tell YYuuggee lies, just to sell books!!)

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-wolff-note-says-he-doesnt-know-if-trump-book-is-all-true-2018-1
Once a fabricator and liar, always a liar!
40   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 5, 12:09pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

Remember what I said: A Fake News brew-haha just before a major "Fake News Awards" shindig being put on by the President, this Monday, 5PM.

It's unlikely to all be a coinky-dinky.

To their credit, several news outfits and journalists have been more cautious this time around. They're being trained ;)
42   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 5, 6:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

One hand cuffed one impeached. In 2018.
43   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 7, 7:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
So, how does anyone judge what's true and what's a lie in the book?. Did some of the people interviewed actually troll him with fake stories? You have to assume all of the book is fake and a lie, since this guy has a bad history from the past.


Same way that we progressives have been sieving Trump lies, 1947 so far

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/i-study-liars-ive-never-seen-one-like-president-trump/2017/12/07/4e529efe-da3f-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?utm_term=.5d2c953e5535
44   WatermelonUniversity   ignore (6)   2018 Jan 7, 8:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_8044e says
One hand cuffed one impeached. In 2018.


hand cuff for Don Impeachment for Trump
45   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (34)   2018 Jan 7, 9:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
When are Bannon and Trump going to solve this like REAL men: in an all star wrestling match, bashing each other with folding chairs.


Why isn't this in ESPN2 pay-per-view right now?

This is an immense hat and lunch-box opportunity: Celebrity Cage Match!

Is Trump losing his edge?
46   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 7, 9:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

So far no one has denied saying things that they said, that has been attributed in the book. Once again I am not defending the book, it is not written by MSM who vet their news but or a left leaning author but even if 50% of things written are true then we have a "fake and a stupid guy" in the white house.
47   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jan 7, 9:27am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
So far no one has denied saying things that they said,


Who are these "no one" people? No one has stepped forward to claim a statement.

What does that tell yo-u about the accuracy of the book?

Or, are these people "un-named sources"?
48   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 7, 10:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Once a fabricator and liar, always a liar!


Wow !!. You probably have not seen any Trump quotes.
49   DoofusRicky   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 10:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
When referring to lies and false statements, Is that acceptable and quality journalism from WaPo?


Brothers sniper a Lie Is A Lie regardless of who calls it a lie. Your holy Messiah Donald Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall and said Democrats are standing in the way of the wall by not paying for it. One or both of these statements is a lie. Using such incontrovertible methods as Donald Trump disagreeing with Donald Trump, it is easy to conclude that Trump is probably the biggest liar to ever have lived.
50   DoofusRicky   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 11:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
There are other ways for Mexico to pay without writing an actual check, right?


Such as?
51   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 7, 11:52am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Haha really? Are you serious or trolling?

Think of all the ways we give $$$ to Mexico. Lower those payments by the cost of the wall and voila.

Pretty simple dude.
52   DoofusRicky   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 12:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

I see. Although you have apparently thought this through to a certain point, I took the liberty of checking how much foreign aid we provide to Mexico every year. That amount is estimated to be about 320 million dollars.

The cost of Trump's border wall is generally accepted to be about half a trillion dollars. However even accepting the lowest estimate that I could find online, that being 70 billion dollars, it still means that the United States paying for the wall by not paying Mexico would take at a minimum 210 years. The problem I see with my calculation is that the negative consequences of cutting off all Aid to Mexico which by the way includes drug enforcement, would very likely result in a real cost to America that exceeds the money we currently spend there.

So no brother, I am not trolling and have thought very carefully about this issue. The assumptions you use do not work but hopefully I've shed some light on this for you.
53   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 7, 12:07pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

DoofusRicky says
Such as?


$26B/Yr in Remittances to Mexico.

Tax at 10%, $2.6B/Yr in revenue.

Wall Costs ~$1.8B/Yr in construction, maintenance and staffing.

That leaves an $800M surplus

Nothing Mexico can do about it.
54   DoofusRicky   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 12:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
$26B/Yr in Remittances to Mexico.


I'm not sure where this number comes from Brother, maybe you better go into more detail.

I'm also quite sure your estimate on the cost to build the wall is monumentally inaccurate. It also neglects to explain how a wall is going to be constructed down the center of the Rio Grande River. Short of ceding that River completely to Mexico, I've never heard anyone explain how this can be done.
55   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 7, 12:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It comes from the Administration.

But it doesn't matter. Let's roughly triple the cost to say $5B/yr. The Remittance Tax alone is half. Then look at the savings.

How much does Medicaid, Emergency Treatment when the illegal falls off the Roof or knocks his head slipping on the bloody floor while butchering a cow and the Employer walks away leaving him for the taxpayers to deal with, the Food Stamps, School Overload, Foreign Language Teachers, Translation Costs in Courts/Schools/Etc. Incarceration,Fraudulent In-State Tuition Subsidy, etc. for Illegals cost each year? Not to mention lost wages for the native born American Working Class, but of course nasty Coasties like cheaper menial workers and don't care if poor Americans who they see as Rednecks get defrauded out of better wages and benefits.

I guarantee that's more than ~$2.5B in State & Federal savings. The cost includes additional border patrol. Most estimates have illegals costing California alone about $23B/year. Here's a map of STATE costs of illegal immigration, not including Federal Costs.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/map-illegal-immigration-costs-california-most-23b-all-states-89b/article/2642257

There are also benefits in terms of reducing human trafficking, drugs, etc. plus job creation. BP is a good paying job, and so is the construction work. The eminent domain is BS, since there's been eminent domain for any Interstate Highway built since WW2 and it didn't bankrupt the nation. Much of it is running across ranch land and the loss of a few feet of grass is hardly going to plunge America into a Meat Famine. As for water, humans have been putting grates up on channels running under walls since the days of Jericho around 2000BC. Underground Channels were built in the hundreds of miles by Romans without fossil fuel powered machinery.

$5B/year is bupkiss. It's maybe a penny or so in $10 of Federal Revenue. The "Cost" Objection is frivolous.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37243269

I'm happy to pay for it 100% without a dime from Mexico, directly or indirectly. Anybody who cares about poverty in the US should be for it.
56   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 7, 1:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Fighting Poverty while embracing Endless Mass Migration is a lot like Adopting Electric Cars while converting to Mostly Renewable Electric Generation.

Taking something that is already really very difficult and turning it into Sheer Folly by demanding we tackle two huge problems simultaneously.
57   DoofusRicky   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 1:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
It comes from the Administration.


Oh then we can certainly believe it.

The lingering doubt I have is because you seem to be attributing domestic aide to this number and it's aide you consider going to Mexico because it's money being spent on illegals living in the United States.

Not only is most of this on a state level and not federal, but none of this money can be described as going to Mexico. I think you probably view this as misspent but it's also largely contained within each State's economy and eliminating it would also eliminate the positive economic effects.

To top this off I have not yet heard a single Republican recommend the large-scale cuts to welfare that you seem to think are imminent.
58   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 7, 1:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
$26B/Yr in Remittances to Mexico.


This number is what exactly?
59   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 7, 1:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_25c83 says
TwoScoopsPlissken says
$26B/Yr in Remittances to Mexico.


This number is what exactly?


It's the number, that if fucked with, puts western union out of business.

Trump would be known as the president who single handedly put wester union out of business.
60   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 7, 8:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
It comes from the Administration.

But it doesn't matter. Let's roughly triple the cost to say $5B/yr. The Remittance Tax alone is half. Then look at the savings.

How much does Medicaid, Emergency Treatment when the illegal falls off the Roof or knocks his head slipping on the bloody floor while butchering a cow and the Employer walks away leaving him for the taxpayers to deal with, the Food Stamps, School Overload, Foreign Language Teachers, Translation Costs in Courts/Schools/Etc. Incarceration,Fraudulent In-State Tuition Subsidy, etc. for Illegals cost each year? Not to mention lost wages for the native born American Working Class, but of course nasty Coasties like cheaper menial workers and don't care if poor Americans wuho they see as Rednecks get defrauded out of better wages and benefits.

I guarantee that's more than ~$2.5B in State & Federal savings. The cost includes additional border patrol. Most estimates have illegals costing California a...


I care about poverty

I deal in reality

The Wall as proposed has little chance of effecting most of the things you claim it solves.

A much simpler solution, that is widely supported by Real Americans, and would definitely solve many of the problema you claim to desire to see resolved would be to reschedule Hemp/Cannabis with a proper designation.

Why don’t you Republicans ever offer up that simple, low cost, high impact solution? Could there be anything actually more #MAGA then ending Cannabis Prohibition?
61   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 17, 5:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bannon is subpoenaed and is going to testify with Mueller

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