Edward Teller Warned Oil Industry About Carbon Dioxide & Climate Change 6 Decades Ago
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Edward Teller Warned Oil Industry About Carbon Dioxide & Climate Change 6 Decades Ago

By BayAreaObserver following x   2018 Jan 7, 3:24pm 229 views   16 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Edward Teller was a Hungarian-born physicist. After emigrating to the United States, he became part of the Manhattan Project, the secretive team that created the first atomic bomb. In November, 1959, he was the guest of honor at an celebration in New York City to mark the 100th anniversary of the oil industry in America. The gala was organized by the American Petroleum Institute, then as now one of the most powerful trade groups in America.

Ladies and gentlemen, I am to talk to you about energy in the future. I will start by telling you why I believe that the energy resources of the past must be supplemented. First of all, these energy resources will run short as we use more and more of the fossil fuels. But I would […] like to mention another reason why we probably have to look for additional fuel supplies. And this, strangely, is the question of contaminating the atmosphere. [….] Whenever you burn conventional fuel, you create carbon dioxide. [….] The carbon dioxide is invisible, it is transparent, you can’t smell it, it is not dangerous to health, so why should one worry about it?

“Carbon dioxide has a strange property. It transmits visible light but it absorbs the infrared radiation which is emitted from the earth. Its presence in the atmosphere causes a greenhouse effect [….] It has been calculated that a temperature rise corresponding to a 10 per cent increase in carbon dioxide will be sufficient to melt the icecap and submerge New York. All the coastal cities would be covered, and since a considerable percentage of the human race lives in coastal regions, I think that this chemical contamination is more serious than most people tend to believe.”

Those words stand in stark contrast to the screams of protest from people like Scott Pruitt and other industry stooges who vehemently deny that carbon dioxide is a pollutant and is therefore an not a proper subject of government regulation. After his speech, Teller was asked to “summarize briefly the danger from increased carbon dioxide content in the atmosphere in this century.” He answered this way:

“At present the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has risen by 2 per cent over normal. By 1970, it will be perhaps 4 per cent, by 1980, 8 per cent, by 1990, 16 per cent [about 360 parts per million, by Teller’s accounting], if we keep on with our exponential rise in the use of purely conventional fuels. By that time, there will be a serious additional impediment for the radiation leaving the earth. Our planet will get a little warmer. It is hard to say whether it will be 2 degrees Fahrenheit or only one or 5.

“But when the temperature does rise by a few degrees over the whole globe, there is a possibility that the icecaps will start melting and the level of the oceans will begin to rise. Well, I don’t know whether they will cover the Empire State Building or not, but anyone can calculate it by looking at the map and noting that the icecaps over Greenland and over Antarctica are perhaps five thousand feet thick.”

Teller’s response to that question is eerily prescient. Today, carbon dioxide has hit 420 parts per million and is rising rapidly. Global average temperatures have already risen 2 degrees Fahrenheit and the polar ice caps are melting at an alarming rate. Sea level rise of 6 feet or more could occur by the end of this century.


More: https://cleantechnica.com/2018/01/03/edward-teller-warned-oil-industry-carbon-dioxide-climate-change-6-decades-ago/

#ClimateChange #CarbonDioxide #OilIndustry



1   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 7, 3:32pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

“It has been calculated that a temperature rise corresponding to a 10 per cent increase in carbon dioxide will be sufficient to melt the icecap and submerge New York.”



So we raised atmospheric CO2 by not 10%, but 25% since 1950, and New York City somehow remains above sea level, the polar ice caps remain frozen, and this guy proves that calculations only matter when one has good data. Garbage in, garbage out (GIGO) even in 1959.
2   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 7, 3:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Also holy fuck those are some serious eyebrows!
3   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 3:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Not disputing that there is an effect, but these prognostications remind me of the club of rome which calls for mankind's extinctions every decade or so. The dying of the forests, polar bears and what not. Agree that you have to have very good data to make such a bold call.
4   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 3:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

6 decades ago the scientific community was fixated on global cooling.

Edward Teller was a science denier.
5   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 3:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

And of course you deny the permafrost is thawing as well ? Obviously this will not be any problem for anyone including the oil pipelines that were built on the permafrost ?

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20171016-the-great-thaw-of-americas-north-is-coming
6   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 3:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

The guy was smart enough to make a pretty decent bomb, gotta think he has a bit more on the ball concerning CO2 etc. than your run of the mill denier..
7   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 3:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

While were on climate change..."Oxygen levels in Earth's oceans continue to drop" - go figure huh.

Regions of low-oxygen and no-oxgyen in Earth's oceans are growing in size and number, according to a new study -- the most comprehensive survey of ocean oxygen levels to date.

The latest data shows expanses of no-oxygen in the open ocean have increased four-fold over the last half-century. Since 1950, low-oxygen sites among estuaries, bays and other coastal water bodies have increased 10-fold.

The vast majority of ecosystems in the ocean rely on sufficient levels of oxygen. As oxygen levels continue to decrease, ecosystems and food chains are likely to be disrupted in a variety of ways.

"The decline in ocean oxygen ranks among the most serious effects of human activities on the Earth's environment." Denise Breitburg, marine ecologist with the Smithsonian Environmental Research Center, said in a news release.

Oxygen level measurements were collected by scientists participating in the Global Ocean Oxygen Network, the GO2NE group, a collective of researchers convened by the United Nation's Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission in 2016. Network scientists detailed the latest survey results in the journal Science.

"Approximately half of the oxygen on Earth comes from the ocean," said Vladimir Ryabinin, executive secretary of the International Oceanographic Commission. "However, combined effects of nutrient loading and climate change are greatly increasing the number and size of 'dead zones' in the open ocean and coastal waters, where oxygen is too low to support most marine life."


https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2018/01/04/Oxygen-levels-in-Earths-oceans-continue-to-drop/8031515097899/?spt=slh&or=1

8   HEYYOU   ignore (6)   2018 Jan 7, 3:50pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

"Joseph Fourier, in 1824, found that Earth's atmosphere kept the planet warmer than would be the case in a vacuum. Fourier recognized that the atmosphere transmitted visible light waves efficiently to the earth's surface. The earth then absorbed visible light and emitted infrared radiation in response, but the atmosphere did not transmit infrared efficiently, which therefore increased surface temperatures. He also suspected that human activities could influence climate, although he focused primarily on land use changes. In an 1827 paper Fourier stated, "The establishment and progress of human societies, the action of natural forces, can notably change, and in vast regions, the state of the surface, the distribution of water and the great movements of the air. Such effects are able to make to vary, in the course of many centuries, the average degree of heat; because the analytic expressions contain coefficients relating to the state of the surface and which greatly influence the temperature."[9]

"Eunice Newton Foote studied the warming effect of the sun, including how this warming was increased by the presence of carbonic acid gas (carbon dioxide), and suggested that the surface of an Earth whose atmosphere was rich in this gas would have a higher temperature."

"John Tyndall took Fourier's work one step further in 1859 when he investigated the absorption of infrared radiation in different gases. He found that water vapor, hydrocarbons like methane (CH4), and carbon dioxide (CO2) strongly block the radiation."

This is so 1800s. These scyentist didn't have computers how could they know anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science
9   CBOEtrader   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 3:58pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

BayAreaObserver says
While were on climate change...


I suggest you differentiate between pollution and climate change. Throwing everything into the same basket is part of the problem.

The pollution and destruction we are are affecting on our oceans is terrible.
10   Sniper   ignore (10)   2018 Jan 7, 3:59pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

BayAreaObserver says
Today, carbon dioxide has hit 420 parts per million and is rising rapidly.


Really? Too bad he's wrong, it's only 407 right now.



I also wonder what his definition of "rising rapidly" is? Look at the two year chart above. Looks pretty stable.
11   Satoshi_Nakamoto   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 7, 4:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

If only we banned automobiles and went back to horse and buggy right then and there....
12   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 4:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

CBOETrader - I think there is a relationship between the two.
13   BayAreaObserver   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 7, 4:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

For all of the believers and deniers - here is another site, you can pick your area of the country from the website, then pick your state. Lots of fun...depending on your idea of fun.

Roidy, if you are around yet and know where Port Fourchon is of if by chance you've ever taken a ride down there, you will find this of interest. For those that don't driving there was an adventure especially on a higher than normal tide and that was 30 some years ago for me so it should really be "fun" now.

http://features.weather.com/us-climate-change/louisiana/
14   anon_08dee   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 7, 8:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

"I won't believe any of this until after it has happened. Even then it might be fake news, because possibly libbie scientists will have created some simulation that they put me in making it appear that the oceans have risen 6 feet and populations of entire countries are disrupted. It's a liberal conspiracy I tell ya, I just know it !"
15   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (26)   2018 Jan 7, 8:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Ed Teller is a libbie cunt who doesn't have half the credibility of the PR department of BP!

Everyone knows that!

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