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From now on I will delete every single comment that is about another user.

By Patrick following x   2018 Jan 8, 9:00pm 3,968 views   97 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Just talk about anything else in the world.

I don't care if the site dies, you may not talk about the other users.

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1   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 8, 9:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

To be brutally honest, if you’re going to do this, and given the current nature of the posting, you may as well shutter the site. There needs to be engagement between users to get ideas across, so I don’t think it’s any kind of solution. What you need to address is the nature of that engagement rather than blocking it entirely as that merely cuts the legs from right under the forum.
2   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 8, 9:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_aa05b says
given the current nature of the posting, you may as well shutter the site


You're right about that.

I really do not want to continue the current nature of the posting. It's worth less than zero.
3   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (30)   2018 Jan 8, 9:37pm   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Right on, Poobah Pat!

Niceness Counts!

Remember, you fucking cunts, we're a family website!
4   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 8, 9:41pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says
Right on, Poobah Pat!

Niceness Counts!

Remember, you fucking cunts, we're a family website!


Strangely, you're one of the few who never insults the other users. Thank you.
5   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 8, 9:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

For a while I did make everyone anonymous, but people found it much harder to follow arguments. I also found it disturbing.

In the end, I just decided to allow people comment anonymously if they want. (Semi-anonymous - a partial hash of their IP address is tacked on.)
6   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 8, 10:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
For a while I did make everyone anonymous, but people found it much harder to follow arguments. I also found it disturbing.

In the end, I just decided to allow people comment anonymously if they want. (Semi-anonymous - a partial hash of their IP address is tacked on.)

You should treat anon posts the same as any other. They shouldn’t go through moderation. It kills the flow. I want to post this way now given how the forum currently is. If it changes, then fine, most people will revert back. It’s really not anonymous posters causing the problems. Certain people just singled them out because it disrupted what they like to do.
7   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 8, 10:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Can't do it. People have routinely used anon comments to try to insult the other users.
8   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 8, 10:16pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and say the political junkies are the ones trashing each other. It's the nature of the beast. All talking points that are mainly political, or have been co-opted by politics beg people to split into groups and bash each other over the head.

Since I stopped reading threads that are politically focused, I've enjoyed the site more than ever. There are some very funny, interesting people here who like to talk about things that matter, like personal experiences, tech, health, etc.
9   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 8, 10:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Can't do it. People have routinely used anon comments to try to insult the other users.

And so they should be treated in the same way as regular posters. It's not as if regular posters are somehow earning good standing over an extended period of time. They are the ones causing the real problems. Sort that out and people wouldn't feel the need to use anonymous. It's a symptom not a cause.
10   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (30)   2018 Jan 8, 10:29pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says

Strangely, you're one of the few who never insults the other users. Thank you.


Strangely?

The reason I am Adorable is because I am so preternaturally snugly and even tempered!
11   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 Jan 8, 11:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It's not an insult just because the reader doesn't like the facts.
Assholes are Assholes!
This is the internet,those that can't insult everyone are failures.

"I've been called worse by lesser men than you."
"Don't take yourself so seriously,no else does."
"If you are so damn smart,why aren't you [Gates,Bezos,Carlos Slim] rich?"

FMTT! I've insulted myself.
How infantile!
Am not!
Are so!
12   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (3)   2018 Jan 8, 11:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says
Patrick says

Strangely, you're one of the few who never insults the other users. Thank you.


Strangely?

The reason I am Adorable is because I am so preternaturally snugly and even tempered!


Everyone needs a daddy.
13   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 9, 3:54am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Is a fucking cunt worse than a cucking funt? We need an ad hominem insult hierarchy around here.
14   WineHorror   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 9, 5:22am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
anon_aa05b says
given the current nature of the posting, you may as well shutter the site


You're right about that.

I really do not want to continue the current nature of the posting. It's worth less than zero.


I don't really get why some people get so bent out of shape over the insults. Just don't engage with those people.

Patrick - you want to create more forums, correct? How about one where anything goes...no holds barred?
15   Tenpoundbass   ignore (10)   2018 Jan 9, 5:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

I use a certain user as an effigy to investors that have their hands in everything. If it bothers you, I'll stop. I've never been called out for being uncivil as I'm not trying to be. But still it falls within the guidelines of what you don't like.
16   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 9, 5:43am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

WineHorror says
Patrick says
anon_aa05b says
given the current nature of the posting, you may as well shutter the site


You're right about that.

I really do not want to continue the current nature of the posting. It's worth less than zero.


I don't really get why some people get so bent out of shape over the insults. Just don't engage with those people.

Patrick - you want to create more forums, correct? How about one where anything goes...no holds barred?


If it were simply a back n forth of ‘insults’, it would be one thing. That’s not what this is about.

See most people don’t like conflict, and will act to avoid it. That means if they try to post here, and their character is constantly assaulted, they will just leave. Those people may have something interesting to say, and i for one would like the opportunity to hear it.

Then you have people that instigate conflict with everyone they feel is “on the other team”. You can ban them from saying you, and they get even more uncivil with workarounds like typing y-ou. You can ban them, and they get even more uncivil and return under alias. It’s those type of people, along with those that support them (even silent support like not speaking out against them) that are the greatest enemy to Free Speech.

And for some of us Great Americans, Free Speech is of the utmost importance. Everyone deserves a voice. Some people get confused about Free Speech and assume that you must give even the bully who looks to assault and harass others, unfettered access to do so, in the name of Free Speech. That’s just wrong.

Nice to see Poobah Pat trying to clean up the trash around here

Banning users from talking about other users will certainly upset a certain segment of the posting population, but it will please a larger segment who just want to discuss ideas, without risk of being harassed or having their character assaulted. Good
17   WineHorror   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 9, 7:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@Patrick

Can't you ban via IP address?
18   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 9, 7:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I agree with errc's post. @Patrick, if you want to reboot the site, you could buy PatricksThunderdome.net and move the posting history and usernames to that. Everyone who wants to continue with unfettered insult posting can post over there, and you could let your 'free speech' experiment live or die according to those who participate. If you still want to create a forum that inspires thought, reboot Patrick.net with editorial control and require people to opt-in by creating new user names. In other words, fork the site yourself, and put your effort into creating the one that you are proud of. Something to think about.
19   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 9, 7:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

WineHorror says
@Patrick

Can't you ban via IP address?


Sure, I do that all the time, mostly for spammers. But there are an essentially infinite number of IP addresses, even if it's a bit of work to move to another one. That's why anonymous comments have to go through moderation.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
PatricksThunderdome.net


Yes, could do that and it sounds like fun actually. I just have to get the mechanics of creating a new site automated. Docker seems unnecessarily complex for this. Anyone have experience automating the spin up of a server at digital ocean and installation of nginx, node, mysql, and postfix?
20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 9, 7:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

C'mon Patrick...I just re-watched the movie LINCOLN and TOMMY LEE JONES, who played Thaddeus Stevens was constantly attacking and insulting members of congress and they are supposedly "GENTLEMEN". e.g. Thaddeus Stevens: Slavery is the only insult to the natural law, you fatuous nincompoop.
21   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 9, 7:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

NuttBoxer says
Since I stopped reading threads that are politically focused, I've enjoyed the site more than ever. There are some very funny, interesting people here who like to talk about things that matter, like personal experiences, tech, health, etc.


Some people like to argue politics here instead with their friends and family, for obvious reasons.
22   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 9, 7:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says
even tempered!


stable genius alert
23   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 9, 7:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I think when you make an anonymous comment, it disappears and then maybe shows up later if Patrick decides it's okay. Sometimes a minute later, sometimes a while later or not at all. OR possibly anon comments are easily removed by the originator of thread. Not sure. I've had many disappear, but sometimes they show up later. Maybe I just miss them later.
24   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 9, 7:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

C',mon Patrick, that other comment of mine from a few minutes ago was funny.
25   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 9, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

What happened to all the comments in Comment Jail?

It's empty.
26   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 9, 9:12am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

I decided that comment jail is going away. Uncivil will soon send comments to moderation, which is not publicly viewable.

Yes it's a dictatorship, not necessarily transparent. That's how it was when the site was at its peak.
27   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 9, 9:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

@Patrick may i have back muh uncivil button, please
28   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 9, 9:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_08dee says
Some people like to argue politics here instead with their friends and family, for obvious reasons.


And I'm not against that at all. Just not my thing anymore. The problem is the whiners who go into those threads, then cry when what they knew was going to happen the moment they stepped into the political arena, happens.
29   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 9, 9:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Patrick says
Yes it's a dictatorship

A benevolent dictatorship.
30   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 9, 9:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Yes it's a dictatorship, not necessarily transparent. That's how it was when the site was at its peak.


I think that's been the formula for most sites since forever.
31   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 9, 10:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Patrick says
I decided that comment jail is going away. Uncivil will soon send comments to moderation, which is not publicly viewable.

Yes it's a dictatorship, not necessarily transparent. That's how it was when the site was at its peak.


Does Patrick.net still advocate for Free Speech?

What about @Patrick himself? Have your personal views on Free Speech changed over the past few months?
32   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 9, 10:54am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

errc says
Does Patrick.net still advocate for Free Speech?

What about @Patrick himself? Have your personal views on Free Speech changed over the past few months?


Start errc.net and you can say whatever you want.
33   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 9, 11:32am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
Have your personal views on Free Speech changed over the past few months?


Yes.

Groups of people cannot be trusted to all be reasonable and polite.
34   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 9, 11:34am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (10)   quote        

errc says
Patrick may i have back muh uncivil button, please


No, because I still think you'll use it as a way to attack other users and not to improve the quality of conversation.
35   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 9, 11:43am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Perfect here may be the enemy of good.
36   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 Jan 9, 3:18pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

I wanted to say something nice about Patnetters but couldn't think of anything.
37   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 9, 3:37pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The Fucking Fuckers are So Fucked I can't possibly un-Fuck them with my infinite wisdom and insight! I can only inform them of their blighted ignorance and stupidity on an ongoing basis.
38   Hircus   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 9, 8:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says

Anyone have experience automating the spin up of a server at digital ocean and installation of nginx, node, mysql, and postfix?

I dont automate server provisioning, but server setup and software install / deployment I do.

I usually just write bash scripts that install stuff via yum, then configure them by appending lines to their config files, or replacing lines via sed.
I usually use ant scripts to deploy the code/scripts to the server - with ant it's easy to tarbal the code, scp it over, untar and do any final steps via automated remote ssh. Works pretty good for basic needs, and is simple.

Also works good for maintenance type stuff, like taking an on-demand db backup and downloading to my local machine, then importing the snap into a db running locally / in a local vm.

gulp might be a more modern choice than ant, but I havent looked into it very closely yet.
39   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 9, 9:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I don't care about modern, just easy and reliable.

I'll try doing it all with scp and ssh. At least I know that stuff so there's no learning curve.
40   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 9, 9:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
I don't care about modern, just easy and reliable.

I'll try doing it all with scp and ssh. At least I know that stuff so there's no learning curve.


Where did the categories go, I don't see them currently.

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