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Go fund me for the Wall?

By Quigley following x   2018 Jan 10, 5:35am 448 views   32 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Congress doesn’t want to budge on this, says we can’t afford it, but really just doesn’t want to make it a spending priority. What i want to know is: would there be enough people in this country who feel passionately enough about border security to raise the money through a Gofundme account?
Would you personally contribute?
Are there any legal hang ups to this?
1   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 10, 5:42am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
Congress doesn’t want to budge on this, says we can’t afford it, but really just doesn’t want to make it a spending priority.


We're broke really. As a nation, we can't afford anything.
2   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 10, 5:53am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

joshuatrio says
We're broke really. As a nation, we can't afford anything.


While wildly inaccurate (overspending doesn’t equate with having no money), your statement also neglected to even address the peripherals of the central question.
3   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (26)   2018 Jan 10, 7:08am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sure, if it came with Gatling gun turrets
4   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 10, 7:09am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

There are a bunch of those that randos started and have about zero funding. If Trump does this, and gets it funded, it's genius. Even if it takes some doing to make it legally usable by the Fed Gov, it would be a huge political victory for him. The wall would still be useless, but he would be sitting pretty. The problem is that about 50 M people voted for him. They would each have to donate $1K for the wall to be built. Rich people will not donate, because their dollars are much more productively spent by donating to campaigns.
5   errc   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 10, 7:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Is there anything illegal about running a gofundme scam by using selective wording to dupe the MAGA marks?
6   anon_961a0   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 10, 7:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

If you want to spend your tax cut on something the government should pay for it.
7   anon_08dee   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 10, 7:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Maybe if we lowered taxes more it would generate enough extra revenue to pay for the wall. Has anyone considered this ?

That's what Trump should argue. He should give a speech to the nation explaining that the whole reason he supported lowering corporate taxes and taxes on the wealthy was that it would generate surplus tax revenues that could be used to pay for the wall.
8   anon_08dee   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 10, 7:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

In textbooks it might one day be known as "the stable genius taxation argument."
10   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 10, 8:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
50 M people voted for him. They would each have to donate $1K for the wall to be built.


50,000,000 x 1,000= 50,000,000,000 =50 billion. Only need less than half that much at most generous estimates. Trump thinks it would cost a fifth that much. So $200 per voter would get it done.
11   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (26)   2018 Jan 10, 8:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

errc says
Is there anything illegal about running a gofundme scam by using selective wording to dupe the MAGA marks?


That's called a SACRAMENT!
12   iwog   ignore (3)   2018 Jan 10, 8:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Quigley says
50,000,000 x 1,000= 50,000,000,000 =50 billion. Only need less than half that much at most generous estimates.


Link? Generous estimate? Be serious.

How are you going to build a wall down the center of the Rio Grande? Or is the plan to simply give up our half of the river to Mexico?

Not only is the wall going to cost far more than you're estimating but a huge section of the wall can't even be built.
14   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 10, 9:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

$200 per person is only 10 billion. We currently spend $4billion per year on border security. If he can build the wall for $10B, just do it. Divert half of the $4billion to wall building, and it will be done in 5 yrs? Go Trump Go.

OTOH, if Trump puts his faith in Quigley, and Q can get Trump voters to cough up $200, we can have a beautiful southern border wall up sooner.

My suggestion is to use savvy internet marketing to build up say $1M of funding, then move hell and high water to get yourself on Fox and Friends and Trump will get on board. In order to get on F&F, I suggest you get Jr. to retweet it. You might find out who Jr. has retweeted in the past and get them to retweet first.
15   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 10, 9:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Or we could just annex Mexico and build a shorter wall on its southern border to keep out all the MS13 and watermelons.
16   iwog   ignore (3)   2018 Jan 10, 9:35am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Quigley says
Or we could just annex Mexico and build a shorter wall on its southern border to keep out all the MS13 and watermelons.


Great plan. So what you're saying is the same thing everyone already knows: There isn't a real plan to build a wall. There's only hype and rhetoric but no one can actually do it.
17   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 10, 10:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says

While wildly inaccurate (overspending doesn’t equate with having no money), your statement also neglected to even address the peripherals of the central question.


Allow me to rephrase. We're addicted to credit.
18   HEYYOU   ignore (6)   2018 Jan 10, 11:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Debt that can't be paid back won't be paid back.
Who eats the loss?
What an idiot I am!
All debt has been paid back.There has never been a loss on a loan.
Things will be MAGA in the future.
No one will ever lose their home,vehicles & other collateral against a loan.

"Greed is Good"
Debt is more Gooder!
19   HEYYOU   ignore (6)   2018 Jan 10, 11:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

What's Trump done with all the Pesos for the Wall?
20   anon_57cc2   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 10, 1:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

You build the wall on our side of the river and channel the water under the wall like humans have done for literally thousands of years before the birth of Christ.
21   BorderPatrol   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 10, 9:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

just accept you got conned and move on.
23   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 11, 6:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
50,000,000 x 1,000= 50,000,000,000 =50 billion. Only need less than half that much at most generous estimates. Trump thinks it would cost a fifth that much. So $200 per voter would get it done.


Most realistic estimates are closer to $50B.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602494/bad-math-props-up-trumps-border-wall/
This one is $38B. And I think we can agree that most government projects end up costing more than planned.
24   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 11, 6:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

A summary of that WaPo article is that if Trump is holding DACA people hostage for $18B, take the deal. It is worth it to spend that to avoid various negative outcomes of ending DACA (both personal and to our country).
That would probably be a political victory for the Donald. The wall is tangible and was the chant. DACA is something most people are going to be willing to forget, as long as the talking heads go along with it. So, I'm thinking this deal has a good chance of going through. Have Fox and Friends weighed in yet?
25   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 11, 6:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I wouldn't be happy without the wall-if he is going to deal. Who is going to pay for the wall-American citizens-is not what I heard.
26   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 11, 7:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

American citizens will pay in the form of increased debt. There may be some other revenue source that Trump will point to for accounting purposes. Even if Trump were to negotiate a deal in which Mexico publicly agreed to pay for a wall (in exchange for something), that's a shell game. If he throws it in as a bargaining chip in a more complicated deal with many parts, it is still a shell game. In the end, America will pay for the wall, but Trump will fool a lot of people, most of whom will be happy to be fooled.
27   BayArea   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 11, 7:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

No to the question of GoFundMe

Conservatives and liberals must both pay for the wall, not just conservatives.
28   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 11, 7:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

BayArea says
Conservatives and liberals must both pay for the wall, not just conservatives.

Conservatives like having a cross to bear. They also believe in individual responsibility and paying for what you want yourself. Why should we deprive them of that?
29   BayArea   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 11, 7:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
BayArea says
Conservatives and liberals must both pay for the wall, not just conservatives.

Conservatives like having a cross to bear. They also believe in individual responsibility and paying for what you want yourself. Why should we deprive them of that?


Because it’s not just conservatives that stand to gain from a wall being erected.
30   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 11, 7:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

BayArea says
Conservatives and liberals must both pay for the wall, not just conservatives.


So remind me what happened to Mexico paying for the wall?
31   anon_4e80d   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 11, 9:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

HappyGilmore says

Most realistic estimates are closer to $50B.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602494/bad-math-props-up-trumps-border-wall/
This one is $38B. And I think we can agree that most government projects end up costing more than planned.

Let's just build a wall as good as the Israelis have. From your article: 320 miles completed for 2.6 billion. That works out to 8.1 billion for a 1000 mile wall.
32   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 11, 9:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_4e80d says
Let's just build a wall as good as the Israelis have. From your article: 320 miles completed for 2.6 billion. That works out to 8.1 billion for a 1000 mile wall.


10% concrete. Why not just put up chicken wire and call it a wall? Probably much cheaper.

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