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Go fund me for the Wall?


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2018 Jan 10, 5:35am   7,393 views  25 comments

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Congress doesn’t want to budge on this, says we can’t afford it, but really just doesn’t want to make it a spending priority. What i want to know is: would there be enough people in this country who feel passionately enough about border security to raise the money through a Gofundme account?
Would you personally contribute?
Are there any legal hang ups to this?

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1   joshuatrio   2018 Jan 10, 5:42am  

Quigley says
Congress doesn’t want to budge on this, says we can’t afford it, but really just doesn’t want to make it a spending priority.


We're broke really. As a nation, we can't afford anything.
2   Shaman   2018 Jan 10, 5:53am  

joshuatrio says
We're broke really. As a nation, we can't afford anything.


While wildly inaccurate (overspending doesn’t equate with having no money), your statement also neglected to even address the peripherals of the central question.
3   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2018 Jan 10, 7:09am  

There are a bunch of those that randos started and have about zero funding. If Trump does this, and gets it funded, it's genius. Even if it takes some doing to make it legally usable by the Fed Gov, it would be a huge political victory for him. The wall would still be useless, but he would be sitting pretty. The problem is that about 50 M people voted for him. They would each have to donate $1K for the wall to be built. Rich people will not donate, because their dollars are much more productively spent by donating to campaigns.
4   anonymous   2018 Jan 10, 7:14am  

Is there anything illegal about running a gofundme scam by using selective wording to dupe the MAGA marks?
5   anonymous   2018 Jan 10, 7:15am  

If you want to spend your tax cut on something the government should pay for it.
6   anonymous   2018 Jan 10, 7:15am  

Maybe if we lowered taxes more it would generate enough extra revenue to pay for the wall. Has anyone considered this ?

That's what Trump should argue. He should give a speech to the nation explaining that the whole reason he supported lowering corporate taxes and taxes on the wealthy was that it would generate surplus tax revenues that could be used to pay for the wall.
7   anonymous   2018 Jan 10, 7:15am  

In textbooks it might one day be known as "the stable genius taxation argument."
8   anonymous   2018 Jan 10, 7:15am  

9   Shaman   2018 Jan 10, 8:07am  

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
50 M people voted for him. They would each have to donate $1K for the wall to be built.


50,000,000 x 1,000= 50,000,000,000 =50 billion. Only need less than half that much at most generous estimates. Trump thinks it would cost a fifth that much. So $200 per voter would get it done.
10   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2018 Jan 10, 9:11am  

$200 per person is only 10 billion. We currently spend $4billion per year on border security. If he can build the wall for $10B, just do it. Divert half of the $4billion to wall building, and it will be done in 5 yrs? Go Trump Go.

OTOH, if Trump puts his faith in Quigley, and Q can get Trump voters to cough up $200, we can have a beautiful southern border wall up sooner.

My suggestion is to use savvy internet marketing to build up say $1M of funding, then move hell and high water to get yourself on Fox and Friends and Trump will get on board. In order to get on F&F, I suggest you get Jr. to retweet it. You might find out who Jr. has retweeted in the past and get them to retweet first.
11   Shaman   2018 Jan 10, 9:23am  

Or we could just annex Mexico and build a shorter wall on its southern border to keep out all the MS13 and watermelons.
12   joshuatrio   2018 Jan 10, 10:02am  

Quigley says

While wildly inaccurate (overspending doesn’t equate with having no money), your statement also neglected to even address the peripherals of the central question.


Allow me to rephrase. We're addicted to credit.
13   anonymous   2018 Jan 10, 1:50pm  

You build the wall on our side of the river and channel the water under the wall like humans have done for literally thousands of years before the birth of Christ.
14   WatermelonUniversity   2018 Jan 10, 9:46pm  

just accept you got conned and move on.
16   HappyGilmore   2018 Jan 11, 6:03am  

Quigley says
50,000,000 x 1,000= 50,000,000,000 =50 billion. Only need less than half that much at most generous estimates. Trump thinks it would cost a fifth that much. So $200 per voter would get it done.


Most realistic estimates are closer to $50B.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602494/bad-math-props-up-trumps-border-wall/
This one is $38B. And I think we can agree that most government projects end up costing more than planned.
17   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2018 Jan 11, 6:34am  

A summary of that WaPo article is that if Trump is holding DACA people hostage for $18B, take the deal. It is worth it to spend that to avoid various negative outcomes of ending DACA (both personal and to our country).
That would probably be a political victory for the Donald. The wall is tangible and was the chant. DACA is something most people are going to be willing to forget, as long as the talking heads go along with it. So, I'm thinking this deal has a good chance of going through. Have Fox and Friends weighed in yet?
18   lostand confused   2018 Jan 11, 6:56am  

I wouldn't be happy without the wall-if he is going to deal. Who is going to pay for the wall-American citizens-is not what I heard.
19   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2018 Jan 11, 7:09am  

American citizens will pay in the form of increased debt. There may be some other revenue source that Trump will point to for accounting purposes. Even if Trump were to negotiate a deal in which Mexico publicly agreed to pay for a wall (in exchange for something), that's a shell game. If he throws it in as a bargaining chip in a more complicated deal with many parts, it is still a shell game. In the end, America will pay for the wall, but Trump will fool a lot of people, most of whom will be happy to be fooled.
20   BayArea   2018 Jan 11, 7:16am  

No to the question of GoFundMe

Conservatives and liberals must both pay for the wall, not just conservatives.
21   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2018 Jan 11, 7:26am  

BayArea says
Conservatives and liberals must both pay for the wall, not just conservatives.

Conservatives like having a cross to bear. They also believe in individual responsibility and paying for what you want yourself. Why should we deprive them of that?
22   BayArea   2018 Jan 11, 7:27am  

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
BayArea says
Conservatives and liberals must both pay for the wall, not just conservatives.

Conservatives like having a cross to bear. They also believe in individual responsibility and paying for what you want yourself. Why should we deprive them of that?


Because it’s not just conservatives that stand to gain from a wall being erected.
23   HappyGilmore   2018 Jan 11, 7:41am  

BayArea says
Conservatives and liberals must both pay for the wall, not just conservatives.


So remind me what happened to Mexico paying for the wall?
24   anonymous   2018 Jan 11, 9:04am  

HappyGilmore says

Most realistic estimates are closer to $50B.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602494/bad-math-props-up-trumps-border-wall/
This one is $38B. And I think we can agree that most government projects end up costing more than planned.

Let's just build a wall as good as the Israelis have. From your article: 320 miles completed for 2.6 billion. That works out to 8.1 billion for a 1000 mile wall.
25   HappyGilmore   2018 Jan 11, 9:13am  

anon_4e80d says
Let's just build a wall as good as the Israelis have. From your article: 320 miles completed for 2.6 billion. That works out to 8.1 billion for a 1000 mile wall.


10% concrete. Why not just put up chicken wire and call it a wall? Probably much cheaper.

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