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Why Climate Change is a Religion and not Science https://www.topbuzz.com/@malcolmshaw/why-climate-change-is-a-religion-and-not-science-CgJAbZ6OOVo

By Malcolm following x   2018 Jan 10, 2:26pm 9,263 views   119 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


An article that I wrote on TopBuzz exploring some of my own observations.

https://www.topbuzz.com/@malcolmshaw/why-climate-change-is-a-religion-and-not-science-CgJAbZ6OOVo

I have put out an internet challenge that no one seems to want to take me up on. It is simple. I am agnostic. While I technically fall into the "skeptic" or "denier" category, it is simply because I question the methodology and the politics of man-made climate-change science. I am open to being convinced, but no one seems to be able to provide anything other than future predictions. So, for the Patrick.net crowd, the same challenge I have made before, to please show me one prior doom and gloom climate change prediction that actually came true, or to show me a past and present picture demonstrating rising sea level.

I know the trolls and vicious defenders of man caused climate change will just assume that I haven't looked up the readily available evidence for climate change. Before you attack me, be forewarned that I have probably got considerable evidence to support being skeptical.

Here is a GIF I made of a famous landmark in San Diego. The Coronado Bridge was built in the late 60s. You will notice that the high waterline is pretty much in the same place. I live on the Pacific Coast. It has been alleged that sea level rise is magnified on this coast, yet I can also show pictures much older that again have no noticeable difference on the high water line.



Here is a 130 year span showing no rise at La Jolla Cove.


Source: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/01/if-sea-level-was-rising-wouldnt-someone-have-noticed/

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80   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 12, 10:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This should take care of most of the criticisms. Remember, I simply asked for anyone to show me tangible proof of sea level rise, not one picture, nothing has been provided here and other places that I have asked. Instead of proving climate change, the alarmist side insists on us disproving climate change. I was asked to cite things that everyone over 40 remembers, like show me where they predicted global cooling. Show me a paper that didn't come true. Well, this video shows all of that, with actual images of the papers. If you watch this and don't at least question the scientific consensus on man made climate change, formerly known as global warming, then we will simply be at an impasse until 2050 when we'll see if regular commercial ships are making the North Passage.



P.S. Stop the video at 37:39 and cllick on this link. It is sure to get a little chuckle: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/09/18/immediacy-threat-climate-change-exaggerated-faulty-models/
81   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 12, 10:27am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'm curious why I should watch a near 1 hour video of a person who is not a scientist in the field, has no published work on it, and is presumably a self-appointed hobbiest "expert," ..... and from that, you believe I will somehow get all the answers I need. Seriously? What about all the actual scientists working in the field? I can't get the answers from them? They wouldn't be a better source? Yes or no?
82   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 12, 10:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Booom!!!!
83   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 12, 10:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Malcolm says
This should take care of most of the criticisms.


Malcom, can we classify you as a greenhouse-effect denier and a physics denier?
84   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 12, 10:38am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

justme says
Malcolm says
This should take care of most of the criticisms.


Malcom, can we classify you as a greenhouse-effect denier and a physics denier?


I would say no. I am a denier of bunk science and organized religions, like alarmist climate change. Please watch the video, then you can classify me however you want.
85   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 12, 10:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_1fe2e says
I'm curious why I should watch a near 1 hour video of a person who is not a scientist in the field, has no published work on it, and is presumably a self-appointed hobbiest "expert," ..... and from that, you believe I will somehow get all the answers I need. Seriously? What about all the actual scientists working in the field? I can't get the answers from them? They wouldn't be a better source? Yes or no?


Suit yourself, but anyone who does watch it will either be convinced or at least have a clearer understanding on the technical issues the skeptics have. The reason it is so long is because it is very thorough with backup on every point. I love how being a geologist and someone who worked on the software on weather models, among other impressive credentials, is so easily dismissed as not a scientist in the field. He is certainly qualified to review their methodology.
86   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 12, 10:50am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

justme says
Malcom, can we classify you as a greenhouse-effect denier and a physics denier?


Please don't classify Malcolm, or any user, at all.

We should be debating facts and not personalities. If you don't like someone, the "ignore" link is right there.
87   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 12, 10:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

So there!! :)
88   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 12, 10:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_1fe2e says
ear 1 hour video of a person who is not a scientist in the field


Coming Right Up



Shit, even the title sounds religious, like a Chick Tract.

"No matter how fun the Ouija board is, it's a gateway for Demons! Now Marsha, that's an Inconvenient Truth!"
89   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 12, 11:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_1fe2e says
I'm curious why I should watch a near 1 hour video of a person who is not a scientist in the field, has no published work on it, and is presumably a self-appointed hobbiest "expert," ..... and from that, you believe I will somehow get all the answers I need. Seriously? What about all the actual scientists working in the field? I can't get the answers from them? They wouldn't be a better source? Yes or no?

Of course he is gonna believe that over 97% of scientists: It confirms his beliefs.
90   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 12, 11:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Shit, even the title sounds religious, like a Chick Tract.

Funny that no one posted this to prove GW.
91   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 12, 4:55pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Malcolm says
I love how being a geologist and someone who worked on the software on weather models, among other impressive credentials, is so easily dismissed as not a scientist in the field. He is certainly qualified to review their methodology.

No, he isn't. Having as one of a number of jobs writing some unspecified part of certain software does not put you front and center for evaluating the science of climate change.
92   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 12, 5:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Malcolm says
I love how being a geologist...

Hey, maybe you could also explain why you think having a BS in geology is some kind of identifier for expertise in the field of climate change.
93   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 12, 5:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_1fe2e says

Hey, maybe you could also explain why you think having a BS in geology is some kind of identifier for expertise in the field of climate change.

Geologists can see the geologic evidence of constant and sometime drastic climate change. They believe in history.
94   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 12, 5:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Pretty much what anon says. I am surprised by the question, frankly. It is a very compelling video, it is your choice to ignore it. At least click on the link and look at the video at the specified time code, you'll get a laugh. It was something I stumbled across and put them together when I recognized the Daily Telegraph logo.
95   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 23, 3:31pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ah, more unreported climate change news. More ice than normal in Greenland.

https://electroverse.net/greenland-has-gained-510-billion-tons-of-ice-over-the-last-year/
96   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Oct 23, 3:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Summer ice melt creates Seismic events not rising oceans. As the excess water is pushed deeper into the Earth as it shifts land mass as it forces its way down.
97   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 23, 4:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Great, two years of Greenland's ice sheet growing. That's all the data we need to firmly establish that climate change is a hoax!
98   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 23, 5:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
Great, two years of Greenland's ice sheet growing. That's all the data we need to firmly establish that climate change is a hoax!


If it was shrinking for two years, the Warming Alarmists would be shrieking like maniacs.

It's a two way street. If AGW=Rapid and Immediate Disaster types get to flip out and rant over two years of a shrinking ice cap, then AGW=Mostly A Good Thing and Not An Immediate Emergency types like me get to do backflips when the ice cover increases.

Plant Growth - NOT including Human Agriculture, but natural wild plants - is up 20% since the 1950s worldwide. Thanks CO2!

Let's stop CO2 once it turns huge swaths of the Canadian Shield and Siberian Tundra into farmland with at least one growing season. Hard Red Winter Wheat aplenty!
99   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 23, 6:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
If it was shrinking for two years, the Warming Alarmists would be shrieking like maniacs.


Two years isn't enough. It's the same as that idiot Jim Inhofe bringing a snowball into Congress and declaring climate change a hoax. Just because Greenland has improved doesn't mean temperatures elsewhere haven't risen, on average.

I'll eat my words and apologize to you when we've got 40+ years of temperatures trending downward.
100   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 23, 6:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
Two years isn't enough. It's the same as that idiot Jim Inhofe bringing a snowball into Congress and declaring climate change a hoax. Just because Greenland has improved doesn't mean temperatures elsewhere haven't risen, on average.



Global Warming Chickenlittles don't even wait until a season is over, if it points to shrinking ice or anything else "Warming", before flapping their wings and running around squawking.

When there's any kind of period that shows no impending DOOM! DOOM! DOOM!, it takes them years to acknowledge the facts, but they explain it as a pause.

As a reminder, Global Cooling lasted 40+ years last time, and people started to ponder if we were headed to another ice age.
101   Evan F.   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 23, 6:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Global Warming Chickenlittles don't even wait until a season is over, if it points to shrinking ice or anything else "Warming".


Dude, why do we need to wait until this particular season is over? You think one good winter is gonna change everything?
102   HEYYOU   ignore (21)   2018 Oct 23, 8:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I thought climate change was real. My refrigerator was just unplugged.
103   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Oct 24, 5:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Malcolm says
Ah, more unreported climate change news. More ice than normal in Greenland.

https://electroverse.net/greenland-has-gained-510-billion-tons-of-ice-over-the-last-year/


and the rest of the planet also? The magic words are trend line not this year. What happens in a year or two in a place or two is called weather not climate.

Flora and fauna all over the planet keeps moving toward the poles steadily year after year. Do you suppose that means anything?
104   MegaForce   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 24, 8:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Please don't classify Malcolm, or any user, at all.

We should be debating facts and not personalities. If you don't like someone, the "ignore" link is right there.

105   MegaForce   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 24, 9:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

First of all, change the name back to what it was.

It is 'Global Warming'. They folks pushing this scam started to change it to 'climate change' because a) their global warming predictions were proven to be bullshit that they couldn't even cover up and b) 'climate change' could mean anything. And by classifying people who see through this Global Warming fraud and call it out as such to be 'climate deniers', they try to make them look like people who deny there's climate and thus must crazy or uneducated or both.

But anyone with two neurons capable of generating logical thought would realize that nobody except maybe people in a coma deny that climate changes. It changes all the time, obviously.
106   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 24, 9:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If the temperature continues to increase will stop denying it increases?

Glad they had modern global measurement techniques in the 1880's methodologically sound enough to compare a half degree difference in a 2018 outcome as notworthy.

140 year separation of GLOBAL temperature (somehow), from a time when most of the world lacked electricity.

No problems with this whatsoever. Only a climate nazi could disagree
107   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 24, 9:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Flora and fauna all over the planet keeps moving toward the poles steadily year after year. Do you suppose that means anything?


Does it mean we are not going to freeze or starve to death from another Ice Age?

Living in SoCal for the last 20+ years has turned me into a pussy. I can't imagine living in shitty cold weather ever again. Human's can survive warmer weather better than colder weather.

I'd much rather have a warmer and greener planet, even if that means we lose some coastline.
108   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 24, 10:44am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Justme, Evan, Heraclitusstudent, bob,

So what do we do about it? You do not need to wait until everyone is convinced - if the situation is that dire, we need to take action now:

More people = more carbon footprint, so first world nations need to seriously curtail immigration and allow the lower birthrate to bring down overpopulation. A person in the 1st world uses 100x the resources of a third world person.

California's government seems to be on board with AGW, so I am sure they can get political support for items like outlawing any HOA or municipality from banning solar panels and clotheslines. Clothes dryers are huge energy hogs, imagine the carbon savings if thousands of dryers were left idle on sunny days.

Stop all imports from nations that manufacture without similar environmental laws as the US.

Increase fuel taxes to European levels. That would discourage waste and cause more efficient shipments such as rail and full pallets.

Of course, these solutions can cause some pain. From what I see from most Democrats that preach AGW, they never talk about solutions. It is like a religion where belief is the most important aspect. Just argue the case for AGW to the heretics, and vote Democrat to show you care.
109   theoakman   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 24, 11:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
bob2356 says
Flora and fauna all over the planet keeps moving toward the poles steadily year after year. Do you suppose that means anything?


Does it mean we are not going to freeze or starve to death from another Ice Age?

Living in SoCal for the last 20+ years has turned me into a pussy. I can't imagine living in shitty cold weather ever again. Human's can survive warmer weather better than colder weather.

I'd much rather have a warmer and greener planet, even if that means we lose some coastline.


The time scale that the coastline would erode away is insigniicant compared to the amount of time it takes to build a city. If you think about it, people toss out these horrific predictions of us losing cities. IMO, it's overly alarmist, but at the same time, they talk about 100 to 200 years down the road. What did San Francisco look like 200 years ago?
110   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 24, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

theoakman says
The time scale that the coastline would erode away is insigniicant compared to the amount of time it takes to build a city. If you think about it, people toss out these horrific predictions of us losing cities. IMO, it's overly alarmist, but at the same time, they talk about 100 to 200 years down the road. What did San Francisco look like 200 years ago?


And cities like Amsterdam managed to figure out a way to live below sea level using technology that is hundreds of years old.

We can outrun and adapt to the worst of climate change without creating massive pain and suffering to humanity.

But if we are to believe the climate change doom mongers - we need to inflict massive pain on humanity RIGHT NOW in the form of massive energy taxes, regulations and population controls.

In other words, the medicine is worse than the disease.
111   HEYYOU   ignore (21)   2018 Oct 24, 11:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What does a denier do when SHTF?

10,000 words? not including all the links & the updates stopped in 2 August 2016.There in much more info since then.
Get back to me when you finish this.

https://guymcpherson.com/climate-chaos/climate-change-summary-and-update/
112   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 24, 11:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
And cities like Amsterdam managed to figure out a way to live below sea level using technology that is hundreds of years old.
And Galveston built the seawall and elevated the entire city after 1900's hurricane and seems to be doing fine lo these 118 years later.

https://www.asce.org/project/galveston-seawall-and-grade-raising-project/
113   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 24, 1:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

theoakman says
The time scale that the coastline would erode away is insigniicant compared to the amount of time it takes to build a city.

What are your numbers?
The sea is currently rising at 1/8 of 1 inch per year or less than a foot per century.
So when do you think the north pole will melt, Florida will drown, and the wetbulb deaths will start?
114   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 24, 1:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
updates stopped in 2 August 2016

Coincidence that he stopped when the warming stopped?

Does Guy still predict the extinction of the human race by 2026?
115   theoakman   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 24, 1:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
theoakman says
The time scale that the coastline would erode away is insigniicant compared to the amount of time it takes to build a city.

What are your numbers?
The sea is currently rising at 1/8 of 1 inch per year or less than a foot per century.
So when do you think the north pole will melt, Florida will drown, and the wetbulb deaths will start?


Listen, if the academics actually truly believed they would be flooded out in Florida, every University there would have a plan to relocate in the works.
116   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 24, 2:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The beaches look exactly the same at age 40 as they did when I was a kid.

Downtown Miami has flooded after any substantial storm and has since I was a kid; it's because since the 1930s they've constantly postponed adequate drainage relative to the amount of asphalt.
117   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 24, 2:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

theoakman says
The time scale that the coastline would erode away is insigniicant compared to the amount of time it takes to build a city.


Cities can be built faster now than in the past, and that will likely accelerate with 3D printing and automated construction. Frankly, many places in Europe are encumbered by old construction, and might do better to build new. Most people who have worked in construction prefer to build new rather than trying to renovate archaic structures, unless they have some special affection for antiques and period restoration.

HeadSet says
From what I see from most Democrats that preach AGW, they never talk about solutions. It is like a religion where belief is the most important aspect. Just argue the case for AGW to the heretics, and vote Democrat to show you care.


...and pay over $100 billion USD per year to kleptocracies in the southern hemisphere, and the Clinton Foundation, none of which would enable managing the climate. That is the part that looks most like a scam: money or your life, and the money won't actually save your life, regardless of whether there is a danger. To the contrary, taxing the scientifically advanced countries to subsidize backwards kleptocracies would actually delay the development of geo-engineering that might enable managing the climate.
118   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 24, 4:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Evan F. says
Dude, why do we need to wait until this particular season is over? You think one good winter is gonna change everything?

Thanks for proving my point.

Two years of expanding ice "Let's wait 40 years like the 1930-1970 period"
Season not over yet with shrinking ice "Why wait? Shrinking Ice! We're all gonna die!"
119   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 24, 4:17pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
...and pay over $100 billion USD per year to kleptocracies in the southern hemisphere, and the Clinton Foundation, none of which would enable managing the climate. That is the part that looks most like a scam: money or your life, and the money won't actually save your life, regardless of whether there is a danger. To the contrary, taxing the scientifically advanced countries to subsidize backwards kleptocracies would actually delay the development of geo-engineering that might enable managing the climate.


Right on.

Two other things:

1. Stop importing migrants with or who will have 3-5 children, increasing the CO2 emissions, in a Western area where the population is naturally declining and becoming more efficient with energy use. Immigration from the 3rd World to the First is 180 degrees from environmental protection.

2. Stop giving aid to Third Worlders.

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