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"Just don’t accept people from countries that hate us and commit acts of terrorism."The list is getting longer every day Trump is in office - we won't need immigration reform much longer, no one will want to come here for any reason.
Is this going to be a bi-partisan determined list of pre-determined criteria ? Will the public get to comment? Not that it matters much since no one votes for the interests of their constituents anyway...Who is going to enforce the merit based system ? How many loopholes and special circumstances are going to be allowed and given out for large financial campaign contributions ? Is this a take off on the Jack Welch scheme at G.E. ?More importantly how will the Dotard be compensated for the loss of his visa workers at Mar-A-Lago ? You may want to run this by him first since I don't think large employers are gong to go along.
Don’t like it personally. I think that kind of system would not be very American.Just don’t accept people from countries that hate us and commit acts of terrorism.
We have too many foreigners now. Don't let in any until the ones that we have are full assimilated.
"You say that like it’s a bad thing"If your state and or cities depend on tourism etc. - might be something to ponder...same with people flying on domestic air carriers to come here
NewGuy saysDisabled parents could be brought in on non work visas if the kid is a family type that wants to watch out for them. No disabled parents unless the sponsors put up a $500,000 bond. They sell workbooks in Taiwan on how to sponsor your elderly (grand)parents, how to get the ICE forms that promise you'll take care of them, then what forms to file that they've "Left in a huff" so they can collect Soc Sec and Medicare they've never paid one dime into.Also, H1-Bs to cost $10,000 each, must be employed directly by the company, not "consulting" firms like Tata. AT&T would have to hire H1Bs directly. Furthermore, they'd have to pay 10% over the BLS average salary for the position.Finally, no H1Bs are permitted in office buildings that handle ANY defense/security contracts and absolutely no aerospace or defense contractor employment. Lockheed or Boeing could not have a single H1B anywhere in it's...
Disabled parents could be brought in on non work visas if the kid is a family type that wants to watch out for them.
News flash - tourism is down from overseas right now - wonder why ?
I'm proposing getting rid of H1B. It's the worst possible immigration system you could design for a ton of reasons. Companies could offer employment to applicants and the $ value of their salary would be taken into account by the stack rank, but the salary would have to still put them in the top X% of applicants in order for them to get in.Once in they'd have green cards so they can leave their employer. This prevents the incentives employers have to hire H1Bs because they work harder because they will literally be deported if they are fired.Good call on the disabled scam. Parents would have to leave if their kids could / would no longer support them. They would never qualify for any benefits in the US. The kids could take out life insurance policies on themselves to care for their parents in case the kid dies. But if the money runs out the parent has got to leave.
So, any objections?Yes....A lot of the things you are considering are already on the books and not being enforced. Lets just try enforcing what we already have before moving on to the next activity.We have "selective" enforcement in most everything in this country based on race, religion, socio-economic status, political affiliation..Right now we can not even keep track of who enters and subsequently leaves this country despite numerous attempts and excusesHow much will this cost ? Is there going to be yet another new government entity created to oversee all of this ?Doing just a tiny bit of fast research on this countries that already have a merit based system in place are continually amending and updating their policies and the overall effectiveness lies in the hands of the bureaucrats.From what I've seen in my lifetime here where bureaucrats are involved as well as my tax dollars - I'll pass. Prove to me your serious and rai...
It doesn't matter where you are born or who your parents are, if you are smart and work hard you can achieve your dreams.
My first objection is that the refugee number ought to depend on the need (number of refugees out there) rather than a fixed number per year. Some years, there are more refugees than others.My second objection is practical. We already bicker over how to measure achievement for people who grow up in this country. How do we extend that to people from all countries around the world? It seems like a tall order. I don't mind people trying, but there would be a lot of details to work through.My final objection is that you have to define what you are looking for. Is it material wealth that they are bringing in? Is it achievement, or is it some measure of skill? The H1b program already addresses one goal that you are trying to achieve. It purports to allow immigration based on immediate hiring needs. Now, you might say that it fails, but that is an implementation problem as much as a goal problem.
New guy - I appreciate the attempt at serious discourse. I don't necessarily have an objection to merit based but you can argue it is against early American principals vis-a-Vis the mantra of the Statue of Liberty "give me your tired your poor"... that sorta shit. In that vein, maybe I am a softie in my old age but I really do sympathize with people seeking asylum due to some regime change in their forlorn country such that if they stay, they will be killed. Point being I would like to allow SOME immigration based more on humanitarian desires vs straight merit (perhaps the most meritorious of the asylum seekers).
NewGuy saysIt doesn't matter where you are born or who your parents are, if you are smart and work hard you can achieve your dreams.That would be lovely if it were true. It clearly isn't.
Immigration should be merit based AND relative to the unemployment level AND national home ownership. A small reserve for the true political refugees, but diverse and not all from one country like the disaster that was the Somali settlement in Minnesota.
TwoScoopsPlissken saysImmigration should be merit based AND relative to the unemployment level AND national home ownership. A small reserve for the true political refugees, but diverse and not all from one country like the disaster that was the Somali settlement in Minnesota.This. Exactly. Your proposal is fairly close, but keep this statement from TwoScoops in mind.
Land in US must belong to its citizen.
And, only citizens are allowed to buy real estate. Foreigners are barred from buying real esate. Land in US must belong to its citizen.
The reason that merit-based systems are politically unpopular with liberals is that they would result in more immigrants who compete with liberals for jobs.
We ( Progressives) all support merit based system.
I think a lot of liberals are opposed to immigration because Trump wants to curb it and Trump == Bad.
I studied for a year in Austria in college and was quite shocked to hear that they had a law barring foreigners from owning land.
I wish this blog had a wiki post option that could be edited by any user. I edited the original post to include objections that I have heard so far, but it would be better if people could edit the list of objections themselves so I accurately state their position.