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This is why Leftism is going to eventually die out: Ideology vs Truth.
For all we know, she or her producer are fans of Peterson's, helping showcase some of his arguments. You have to have someone taking the other side. If you make them look stupid, all the better (if you actually agree with him). You really tink the intent of this broadcast was to make the left point of vew look good ?
You wish it was right versus left because that fits a fantasy description of "the left" which is to associate it with the most far left SJW imbecile gender studies majors on college campuses. That would be like me saying that everyone on the right is like the worst right wing trolls on this forum. Obviously not true. I know of many sane and relatively moderate republicans. Although even many of them live in a bubble and to varying degrees would buy into the nonsense of your assertions here.
saw Don Lemon (CNN's favorite black parrot) attack Martin Luther King Jr's nephew of being a fame seeker, using MLK's name to get attention simply because he didn't think Trump was racist (an opinion shared by MLK's niece, Alveda King, as well). Can you believe that? Trying to tear down the MLK's family members simply because they don't agree with CNN's fantasy narrative that Trump hates people of color.
But one of the points that the MLK nephew made was that some might argue that what Trump did in his campaign was WORSE THAN BEING RACIST, BECAUSE HE INTENTIONALLY MANIPULATED RACISTS. I don't think you give Don Lemon enough credit.
e never calls white people racist and Trump manipulating racists. That's ridiculous.
never calls white people racist and Trump manipulating racists. That's ridiculous.
Goran_K saysnever calls white people racist and Trump manipulating racists. That's ridiculous. You're right, he never calls anyone racist. But it doesn't change my take away from what he says at 6:20 or so. Yes, Don Lemon vigorously challenges him on whether Trump is a racist. Giving him the chance to make his point about avoiding name calling.
Yes, Don Lemon vigorously challenges him on whether Trump is a racist. Giving him the chance to make his point about avoiding name calling.
equating feminism with "leftism" is yet another propaganda technique. This particular thread is a perfect example. Rather than arguing against feminism, which is what it should do, it argues against "leftism" by equating it with feminism.
Plenty of real liberals identify with this point of view. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html
Leftism is a dying platform and if the DNC doesn't adapt
Leftism is a dying platform and if the DNC doesn't adapt, it could mean a loss of power for a very long time
Total semantics bullshit. If you said the same about identity politics I might agree with you. We only need a more sensible "leftism." But the right wing policies that drive inequality, that is the real economic policies, including the "starve the beast" right wing deficit spending policies which are going on again with current tax cuts. These are examples of the degree to which the country continues to slide to the right. A "left" that figures out how to challenge these, will simply be a more effective leftism, addressing the problems that affect the majority of us. It will still be the left. You can't swing as hard to the right as we have (not talking socially) without eventually causing the existence of a strong left. RIght wingers only wish that the future left wing would be about identity politics.
Goran_K saysLeftism is a dying platform and if the DNC doesn't adapt, it could mean a loss of power for a very long timeI hope so. leftists are like the second or third generation of wealthy parents. The first generation works hard and saves every penny and very careful and know risks, hunger etc.The second has some memory and stories from aprents and the third think they are superman and money grows on trees. They live in an abstract world with no concept of reality.The same for the divorced women and child support freaks who get obscene amounts for sitting on their asses with no accountability.Today in the leftist world view-they think we are in the top of the world, never can come doubling down and help the poor downtrodden third worlders while getting their welfare from their parents or the gubmnt or poor ex husbands.They are the true racists, because they cannot...
Today in the leftist world view-they think we are in the top of the world, never can come tumbling down and help the poor downtrodden third worlders while getting their welfare from their parents or the gubmnt or poor ex husbands.They are the true racists, because they cannot comprehend a third worlder as an equal as a competitor who can take our place any time in the world stage. They talk about the 1%, their govt drones live off us like the soviets and they seek to beat down the talented, the hard working and take their money-like they do from their parents and govt.They simply cannot comprehend that if we are not competitive, we can fall and become a third world shithole very quick . The supply of stupid lefties seem infinite and I fear we may fall and become some leftie paradise like the soviet union or the former China-before they adopted capitalism.
Eye opening display of blind leftism being absolutely picked apart, totally destroyed, over a 30 minute interview.This happens all the time now. Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro regularly publicly destroy leftist ideas in the forum of public opinion, and it's always a slaughter.
Sam Harris is a good one on the left.
Sam Harris is more of a true liberal than a leftist IMO. While he does advocate equality of outcome (or maximizing social outcome as he says it) which is a central tenant of liberals
What was funny about this to me is that is the same thing that Flake was doing when he compared Trump's rhetoric to Stalin's. The right on this board flipped their shit just like this reporter. Those Trump cheerleaders have proven themselves to be no more lucid than this reporter at times.
Goran_K saysSam Harris is more of a true liberal than a leftist IMO. While he does advocate equality of outcome (or maximizing social outcome as he says it) which is a central tenant of liberalsMind you, I agree with some of what Harris says (I'm a libertarian so that's natural), but I don't agree that society should try to maximize societal outcome on the individual level. If you want to maximize outcome at all, Capitalism does a far better job than Socialism as the 20th century showed us with numerous examples. Equality of opportunity gives society the BEST chance of BEST outcomes.
Peterson compares leftists to Chairman Mao,
What we really need to do is get rid of the biggest socialist drain on our federal income tax dollars. The military industrial complex. Why sould these poor sacks that don't pay a dime in federal income tax be getting free defense. So wrong, biggest socialist drain on our society it needs to be stopped now, right Goran?
You have to know when the deficit explodes because of the current tax cuts, they're going to try to diminish your "entitlements" that you've presumably been paying in to.
ou going to blame liberals for the fact that real wages have been decreasing for decades ? IT's just the natural balancing as the developing world digs itself out of 50 cents a month kind of poverty. I'm a realist. That's all. Yes, globalization happened. But the idea that the "libruls" caused it is beyond stupid.
Both sides aggressively argued their points, and Peterson was more coherent.
I just watched the video
The military industrial complex
leftism as a whole is the biggest drain on the US economy
Trump has been barely in office for a year, and just relaxed the tax burden slightly and look what is has done for our economy.
Oh please. tell me how much deficit is the current tax cuts going to cause.
lostand confused saysOh please. tell me how much deficit is the current tax cuts going to cause. The truth is the tax cuts will end up being net positive. The increased national economic performance will increase the tax base, which will more than cover the effect of the cuts.
What I thought was interesting was the attention to the trait of being 'agreeable'. This was used as the opposite of assertive.
Eye opening display of blind leftism being absolutely picked apart, totally destroyed, over a 30 minute interview.
This is really sad. We won't have anyone left to kick around. Pelosi and Schumer......humiliated.Democrats.......looking very foolish.Economy......rebounding like crazy.Unemployment......Too low to even mention.China......caving in on trade.Kim Jong Un.........Running scared.Pakistan.........no more aid.Palestinians....no Jerusalem for them.Iran.......already starting to shiver----------------Dear Trump, Where the fuck were you all this time?
Seriously. Politics hasn't been this good since Reagan basically robbed the Democrats of the 80s. Trump is a true shit stirrer and disruptor. I'm loving this even though I didn't vote for him.
Goran_K saysSeriously. Politics hasn't been this good since Reagan basically robbed the Democrats of the 80s. Trump is a true shit stirrer and disruptor. I'm loving this even though I didn't vote for him.I am glad I voted for him. I curse myself for not betting on him financially-would have made a killing at those odds!
I am glad I voted for him. I curse myself for not betting on him financially-would have made a killing at those odds!
Now he's focusing on illegal immigration reform, and I don't think I'll doubt him again. He's going to get it done.
How to tame and humiliate a rabid lefty with an agenda and blood coming out of her you know what... eyes
HS, make no mistake, even with all the Jungian mumbo-jumbo, Peterson's framework is firmly rooted in evolutionary biology. Objective reality from that framework says that as your underlying environment changes, all the material knowledge in the world (just the facts, Sam Harris) won't save your bacon. Watch out for the cat-bird-snake, bucko.