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All-American Tariffs Imposed

By TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce following x   2018 Jan 23, 8:07am 9,569 views   94 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


I'm SO HAPPY with this President.



WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Monday approved tariffs on imported solar-energy components and large washing machines in a bid to help U.S. manufacturers.

The Republican’s decision followed recommendations for tariffs by the U.S. International Trade Commission.

“The president’s action makes clear again that the Trump administration will always defend American workers, farmers, ranchers, and businesses in this regard,” U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer said in a statement announcing the decision.

Most imported solar modules will face an immediate tariff of 30 percent, with the rate declining before phasing out after four years. For large residential washing machines, tariffs will start at up to 50 percent and phase out after three years.

China accused Trump of jeopardizing the multilateral trading system by taking action on complaints under U.S. law instead of through the World Trade Organization.

“The U.S. side once again abused its trade remedy measures,” said a Commerce Ministry statement. “China expresses its strong dissatisfaction with this.”

Mexico said Trump’s decision not to exclude it from the measures was “regrettable.”

“Mexico will use all available legal resources in response to the U.S. decision to apply protections on Mexican washing machines and solar panels,” its Economy Department said in a statement.

https://apnews.com/5f68ab2a45124b29be5dfbfc474dde73/Trump-hits-solar-panels,-washing-machines-with-tariffs

US Trade Rep Robert "Lightsaber" Lighthizer:
https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2018/january/president-trump-approves-relief-us#

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1   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 23, 8:12am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-22/whirlpool-says-it-s-adding-jobs-in-wake-of-trump-tariff-decision

Whirlpool Says It's Adding Jobs After Trump Tariff Decision

Whirlpool Corp. said it’s adding 200 jobs after the Trump Administration imposed a tariff of up to 50 percent on large residential washing machines, a penalty aimed at imports from rivals Samsung Electronics Co. and LG Electronics Inc.

The new full-time employees will work at a factory in Clyde, Ohio, Whirlpool said on Monday. The American appliance maker also vowed to make broader investments in manufacturing and innovation.
2   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 23, 8:19am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

Why do they phase out after 3 yrs? Weird. Who the fuck will buy a washer if it costs, say, 40% more this year, and they know it will go back down in a couple of years?
Does he think that manufacturers are going to move equipment to the US for a 3 yr protection scam? Will they? Is he trying to just piss people off to soften them up prior to some other trade negotiations?
3   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 23, 8:43am   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CoC Suckers are Livid:

Ben Sasse, R-Neb., said Republicans need to understand that tariffs are a tax on consumers. “Moms and dads shopping on a budget for a new washing machine will pay for this — not big companies,” Sasse said in a statement.


FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Why do they phase out after 3 yrs? Weird. Who the fuck will buy a washer if it costs, say, 40% more this year, and they know it will go back down in a couple of years?
Does he think that manufacturers are going to move equipment to the US for a 3 yr protection scam? Will they? Is he trying to just piss people off to soften them up prior to some other trade negotiations?

Not really. There are Whirlpool and other products to choose from. Dumping means they are selling at or below cost to dominate the domestic market from abroad.

Furthermore, if you read Lightsaber's Press Release, you'll see the Tariffs don't disappear after 3 years, there is just a small reduction in the dumping penalty over 3 years.

Tom Donahue, the Premier of Corporate Socialism:
4   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 23, 8:46am   ↑ like (7)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Samsung was expecting this and while hoping Ben Sasse and other "Foreigners First" CoC Suckers, saw the writing on the wall.

Newberry County facility will create 954 local jobs and support advanced R&D and production of premium home appliance products
Ridgefield Park, NJ – June 28, 2017 -Samsung reached an agreement with the State of South Carolina to open a state-of-the-art home appliance manufacturing plant in Newberry County. The $380M facility will produce some of Samsung’s most popular, industry-leading home appliances and will generate 954 local jobs by 2020. This is the latest in a series of investments expanding Samsung’s U.S. holdings and operations.

https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-south-carolina-home-appliance-manufacturing-plant-investment-newberry/

B-b-b-b-but, it's only 1000 new jobs, I hear the Free Traitors groan. 1000 here, 1000 there, pretty soon it's tens of thousands then hundreds of thousands.

Under Clinton, Bush, and Obama there was a giant sucking sound. Now the Jobs vacuum has been reversed to blow. We won't rebuild Rome in a day, because it wasn't destroyed in a day.
5   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 23, 10:03am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (6)   quote   flag        

Looks like Trump is giving more kickbacks to his Saudi Masters. Bend the knee and pucker up!

The U.S. produces a lot of petróleo, nary a peep about the Trumpcucks butt buddies, the Saudi jihadists. Wonder why?
6   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jan 23, 10:22am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Who the fuck will buy a washer if it costs, say, 40% more this year, and they know it will go back down in a couple of years?


People who need to wash their clothes today, maybe? How many will wait three years to buy a washer? Will they go down to the river and pound their clothes on a rock to wash them to save a few bucks?
7   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 23, 10:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
There are Whirlpool and other products to choose from.


Yes liked used washers. He is trying to turn us into a 3rd world country!
8   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 23, 10:44am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I’ve got a 20-year-old whirlpool washer.
Fucker runs like a champ.
9   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 23, 10:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
I’ve got a 20-year-old whirlpool washer.

Is it a high efficiency machine? If not, you've probably paid for a replacement 2 times over in extra electricity costs (assuming your dryer is electric).
10   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Jan 23, 10:58am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Who the fuck will buy a washer if it costs, say, 40% more this year, and they know it will go back down in a couple of years?


Are you saying that if your washing machine conks out tomorrow you'll wait couple of years to buy a replacement? ;)
11   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 23, 11:03am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

1987: Democrats love American Industry - "Don't let them dump, We've got the Rustbelt!"
2017: Democrats hate American Industry - "Let them dump, Hey, why are we losing the rustbelt, fucking racist Deploreables!"
12   someone else   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 23, 11:09am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

China has been systematically murdering solar cell manufacturing in the West by dumping below the cost to produce them:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jun/04/eu-tarriffs-dumping-china-solar-panels
EU to impose anti-dumping tariffs on Chinese solar panels
EU's executive arm accuses China of selling panels below-cost and threatening 25,000 jobs in the European solar industry


Trump is totally right to use tariffs to combat this anti-competitive behavior.
13   HEYYOU   ignore (23)   2018 Jan 23, 11:16am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
I’ve got a 20-year-old whirlpool washer.
Fucker runs like a champ.


Find the same model for sale on Craigslist-appliances,garage sales & use it for parting out.
I've paid almost nothing for junk & repaired my other junk. One can repair almost anything using info from the web.
What a cheapskate! ;-)
Money in hand is always nice.
14   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 23, 11:17am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says
China has been systematically murdering solar cell manufacturing in the West by dumping below the cost to produce them:


If the EU stopped them in 2013, it means it was going on before that.

How come we didn't do anything until now? Where was Obama?

Hmmm....



#1 in 2016 Lobbying.
15   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (35)   2018 Jan 23, 11:22am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Silly CUNT!

You don't tax slave-made crap.

You ban it and sink ships that carry it!
16   HEYYOU   ignore (23)   2018 Jan 23, 11:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trillion of jobs!
"Trust but verify."
As long as I've waited on Mueller I can wait to see if this delusion comes true.

How much has Trump/Family businesses imported in the last year?
17   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 23, 11:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

How come we didn't do anything until now? Where was Obama?

——————

Better question is where were the Republicans all these years?

Smells like another ACA scam where the Republicans write the legislation and then pretend to be against it. Aside from whinging about it and blaming the Democrats, they never use their power to do anything about it. Wonder why?
18   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 23, 11:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Better question is where were the Republicans all these years?


Funny, I never heard any Democrat, except perhaps the lone voice of Sherrod Brown, ever complain about this. You'd think they would be bashing the Republicans on it 24-7.

But in the final analysis, the Republican President DID SOMETHING. We all know Obama didn't do shit, though he had the power, and Hillary certainly would have continued to be a strong CoC Sucker.
19   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 23, 11:50am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Better question is where were the Republicans all these years?

Smells like another ACA scam where the Republicans write the legislation and then pretend to be against it. Aside from whinging about it and blaming the Democrats, they never use their power to do anything about it. Wonder why?

trump finally does soemthing and your question is why didn't Obama-wait-republicans do anything before??
20   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 23, 4:26pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Is it a high efficiency machine? If not, you've probably paid for a replacement 2 times over in extra electricity costs (assuming your dryer is electric).


Huh? My dryer is gas but i was clearly talking about my washer! Don’t think it’s high efficiency, but how much juice could it really draw? I run a pool pump and a 2k sqf house with three kids who are always leaving the lights on. My electric bill still is usually less than $140. I got this thing for free from my last landlord who thought it was too old! “Take it with you”, he said. So I did! Six years later, I’ve replaced a dryer but not the washer! ‘Murica!
21   HEYYOU   ignore (23)   2018 Jan 23, 4:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Tariffs on phones,computers,TVs,vehicles,clothing,etcetera,etcetera,etcetera.
Not today?
Maybe tomorrow?
Trump promised tariffs!
22   HEYYOU   ignore (23)   2018 Jan 23, 5:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

Slow learners.

"Southern states like Texas, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina among the most impacted."
"In short, U.S. taxpayers will end up footing half the bill."
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-solar-tariff-backfires-36cb1c4f7fbc/
23   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Jan 23, 5:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says

"Southern states like Texas, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina among the most impacted."
"In short, U.S. taxpayers will end up footing half the bill."


How dare AMERICA! stand up to dumping. We need to take it in the rectum without lube because the !!!CoC!!! demands it!
24   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Jan 23, 5:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
My dryer is gas but i was clearly talking about my washer! Don’t think it’s high efficiency,


Is it a front- or top-loader? The former is most probably a HE unit, even if it's "old".
25   Booger   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 23, 5:37pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
Southern states like Texas, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina among the most impacted."


Yeah, when companies build new factories in the US, they will mostly go to the states that you mentioned.
26   Strategist   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 23, 5:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Is it a high efficiency machine? If not, you've probably paid for a replacement 2 times over in extra electricity costs (assuming your dryer is electric).


Huh? My dryer is gas but i was clearly talking about my washer! Don’t think it’s high efficiency, but how much juice could it really draw? I run a pool pump and a 2k sqf house with three kids who are always leaving the lights on. My electric bill still is usually less than $140. I got this thing for free from my last landlord who thought it was too old! “Take it with you”, he said. So I did! Six years later, I’ve replaced a dryer but not the washer! ‘Murica!


Replace the washer. It probably sucks up to much electricity and water. New washers are more efficient and clean better.
SCE must have a rebate going on for new washers.
27   DASKAA   ignore (3)   2018 Jan 23, 6:14pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Replace the washer. It probably sucks up to much electricity


Hook up a "kill-a-watt" meter to it first and find out the exact number. Then decide.
28   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 23, 6:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

High efficiency washers have a high spin rate and dry the clothes pretty well before they get to the dryer. That lowers the energy use and dry times of the dryer. That's why I referenced the dryer fuel.
Newer machines are less likely to last as long as older simpler ones, because they are more complicated. It's harder to make something more efficient. But total cost of ownership might be lower.
29   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 23, 7:15pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
But total cost of ownership might be lower.


It’s hard to beat that free initial cost!
Clothes seem to spin pretty decently wrung out. Idk. Everyone I’ve known who has bought a new fancy front loader has regretted it. My top loader washer is still going strong!
30   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 23, 7:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
Everyone I’ve known who has bought a new fancy front loader has regretted it.


I agree, I have a front loader. Horrible design. It's virtually impossible to get a complete load transferred to the dryer without dropping articles on the ground. Plus, more items seem to get twisted together than what use to happen with the top loader. and, no matter how little detergent used, there is always foam/soap bubbles right at the door that clothes get dragged through going to the dryer. Never rinses completely. This unit is a total piece of crap.
31   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 23, 8:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

In my experience, front loaders work pretty well, if they are filled with enough of water. It seems like all the new models are "water efficient," which seems to be code for "wash twice", or in the case of California's toilets, "flush twice."
32   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 23, 9:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

We had a Whirlpool front loader that worked great for 18 years, but finally died last month.
33   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 23, 11:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Good, LG / Samsung should build factories in the states because the US brands are junk.
34   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 24, 5:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Someone without a washing machine who does not want to lug their laundry to a laundrymat...

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Who the fuck will buy a washer if it costs, say, 40% more this year, and they know it will go back down in a couple of years?
35   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 24, 5:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

If one is making 30k annual on a liberal arts degree then they wait...

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
Who the fuck will buy a washer if it costs, say, 40% more this year, and they know it will go back down in a couple of years?


Are you saying that if your washing machine conks out tomorrow you'll wait couple of years to buy a replacement? ;)
36   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 24, 6:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I just had to think about this, because we bought a set after our 17 yr old dryer conked out. We bought both, because our old set was smaller, we wanted a bigger set, and we wanted the washer/dryer load sizes to be balanced.

First, there are big savings to be had during the normal sales (e.g. thanksgiving). I don't know why, but appliances are always 30-40% off at that time, so it might not pay to wait until your machine breaks and just go replace.

HE machines directly save water, detergent, electricity. Indirectly, they save fuel in the hot water heater and dryer (by using less water, and by getting clothes dryer). So, slapping a watt meter on it will not be a good economic calculator. Some P&G detergent is made for cold water, and if one actually uses cold water with the detergent, this changes the economics of the whole thing. We recently bought a new front loader, because a small kid is more capable of helping do the laundry and it makes a nice big work surface on top. You do have to bend over or squat more to move laundry over, and you need a basket to keep clothes off the ground. HE machines take longer, but the new machines do huge loads. Front loaders have to be leveled well and not overloaded. They have complicated load balance mechanisms. You can see this as the machine seems to work to balance the load in the beginning. However, spinning a huge load of laundry at 1300rpm with a spindle on one side is an engineering challenge and a weak point in the design. That's why leveling and loading correctly is important.
There's a financial calculator here: http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/laundry.html We didn't bother with a financial analysis, because we've been happy with an HE front loader over the last 17 yrs. IIRC, when I purchased my first HE washer, the analysis showed that it would pay for itself in savings over a normal top loader without a particularly long life span.
37   ThreeBays   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 24, 7:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I like front loaders as I believe they wash better. The tumbling motion gets clothes moving more. You can see this in many reviews. The recent HE front loaders also use a lot less water than top loaders. A complaint I've heard about front loaders getting mold around the door. We have an LG set that has a little mechanism to hold the door cracked open to dry, and never had a problem.
38   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 24, 7:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
Find the same model for sale on Craigslist-appliances,garage sales & use it for parting out.
I've paid almost nothing for junk & repaired my other junk.


How do you know that the new donor appliance doesn't have the same problem?



HEYYOU says
One can repair almost anything using info from the web.


True, the internet helps greatly when repairing stuff.
39   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 24, 8:12am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Front loader washers are the dirty ass-fuck business move of the century. I can't believe I bought into this bullshit, if you need a tub of water you do it fucking vertically, with a fucking drain at the bottom. fuck these fucking turds- my clothes aren't really clean or dry and my wife constantly bitches.

do they sell a machine I don't hear bitching about? Thats the one I want. I don't care if theres a 6" diameter x 24" long dildo that hits me in the face as I walk in from the garage, what I need is for this fucking noise to end.

The real solution is a washer/dryer combo, methinks. But everything is a piece of shit RV device; I want a 220V washer and a gas dryer that I push the button once and that shit is done. I even have space for two!
40   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 24, 8:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
There's a financial calculator here:


If you're so concerned with the cost of washing clothes, maybe there's some BIGGER issues in your budget and income to worry about than water and detergent.

If doing a couple loads of laundry a week blows your budget because of costs, well, it's time for your husband to get a better job.

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