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I am a progressive and I say release the memo- Time to put up or shut up

By Tim Aurora following x   2018 Jan 24, 12:53pm 2,020 views   45 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


We’re reaching a dangerous point of partisan polarization in our nation. Millions of Americans are now firmly convinced that the entire Russia investigation is a scam cooked up by “deep state” bureaucrats who are seeking to topple a duly elected president. This is the so-called soft coup so often discussed on talk radio and social media. Conversely, there are millions of Americans who are convinced that a sitting president stole an election by conspiring with a hostile foreign power and then obstructed justice to prevent the truth from emerging. This is the core of the collusion narrative that inspires hundred-tweet threads on progressive Twitter.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455727/release-the-memo-and-evidence
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455727/release-the-memo-and-evidence

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6   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 24, 4:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_24e57 says
I disagree with this guys conclusion (i.e. if its released, it will quell the rumors). Here's why:

I wholeheartedly agree. I'd say in point #1 your percentages might be a bit off though. I'd venture to guess closer to 40% of Americans are starting to get caught up in the hyperpartisan sphere of news and social media at some level or another. 40% see that stuff, but just really don't care or have the time to react. And 20% are either idiots or don't have internet. And who knows, in 5 years we might say those without internet are smarter then we are for consuming this shit.

Point # 2 is also spot on. Even if the evidence is damning and thorough in the memo, the fringes of the left won't care just like your example of the right Obama's birth records.

Thanks for the seemingly balanced comment without a Trumpcuck or Libtard in there. Truly appreciated in political thread.
7   cynn   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 24, 4:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

You're a ghoul.
8   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 24, 4:40pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

cynn says
Totally agree; what are the Repubs afraid of?


That there will be big gaping holes in Nunes theory, unsubstantiated claims and big hyperbole theories
9   cynn   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 24, 4:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

yes,but ir will all be mitigated.
10   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 24, 5:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tim Aurora says
We’re reaching a dangerous point of partisan polarization in our nation. Millions of Americans are now firmly convinced that the entire Russia investigation is a scam cooked up by “deep state” bureaucrats who are seeking to topple a duly elected president. This is the so-called soft coup so often discussed on talk radio and social media. Conversely, there are millions of Americans who are convinced that a sitting president stole an election by conspiring with a hostile foreign power and then obstructed justice to prevent the truth from emerging. This is the core of the collusion narrative that inspires hundred-tweet threads on progressive Twitter.

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Then either put up actual proof that the Russians hacked/rigged the election to the degree that got Trump elected, or...

Accept the election, the control of House and Senate and Presidency.
11   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 24, 5:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Then either put up actual proof that the Russians hacked/rigged the election to the degree that got Trump elected, or...

Accept the election, the control of House and Senate and Presidency.


That's done. Trump has been accepted. Is there any power of the Presidency that he doesn't have?
12   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 24, 7:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

anon_3b28c says
TwoScoopsPlissken says
Then either put up actual proof that the Russians hacked/rigged the election to the degree that got Trump elected, or...

Accept the election, the control of House and Senate and Presidency.


That's done. Trump has been accepted.


Really?

Go turn on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, NPR or go read NYT or WaPo and tell us if Trump has been accepted.
13   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 25, 5:37am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_48f8d says
That's done. Trump has been accepted.


Really?

Go turn on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, NPR or go read NYT or WaPo and tell us if Trump has been accepted.


Of course, like any other president he will be critiqued . It is not MSM's fault that Trump has weird habits, makes outrageous allegations ( Obama tapping etc) , trolls on Twitter and fires people investigating him. His cabinet and WH has seen more people fired in one year than Presidents have in 2 terms. In fact, any other President would have been fried by now with 10% approval rating. It is just the white supremacists who are supporting him.

He has been criticized by all ex Presidents, including Republican and many Republican Senators. Why just point at MSM.
14   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 25, 8:19am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_48f8d says
Go turn on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, NPR or go read NYT or WaPo and tell us if Trump has been accepted.


Complete. Trump has been accepted. All of those new outlets refer to him as President Trump.

Accepted is not the same as liked or respected.
15   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 25, 8:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

WookieMan says
I'd venture to guess closer to 40% of Americans are starting to get caught up in the hyperpartisan sphere of news and social media at some level or another. 40% see that stuff, but just really don't care or have the time to react. And 20% are either idiots or don't have internet.


Ugh - for the sake of humanity, I really hope your percentages are wrong. I recently got my 70 year old mom to stop consuming 2-6 hours a day, and lobbing the occasional flame bait onto sites... well sites like this frankly...

Either way she is much happier now consuming legitimate entertainment versus the "infotainment" which made her cranky (yet did not truly affect her or her family's life in any real life way). She said its almost like coming out of a 10+ year fog of stuff that triggered her, yet she legitimately cannot even remember 95% of what caused her outrage despite the fact that she is still mentally sharp as a tack.
18   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 25, 3:45pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

I stand by my statement and double down. Anyone who thinks all trump supporters are white supremacists is a liar and a fool. Or even this “base” you speak of.
19   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 27, 5:16pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote        

I stand by the statement that Trump supportors are either white supremacists or the people who blatantly condone white supremacy. I have given you links from MSM and Guardian. I can give you links from all over the world press ,

Sometimes it is hard to see the truth when you see it through "white colored glasses"
20   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 27, 5:18pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Some personal comment sentences deleted, like one including "pussy-boy".
21   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Jan 27, 5:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Quigley says
I stand by my statement and double down. Anyone who thinks all trump supporters are white supremacists is a liar and a fool. Or even this “base” you speak of.


It's "Intersectionality". By painting all Trump Supporters - much of the white working class - as racists, they can let them be raped by their Globalist Donors without having to bother with them.

Leftists literally believe the US is "Irredeemably" Evil, and the irredeemable, Deplorable White working class must be replaced.
22   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jan 27, 10:22pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Tim Aurora says
I stand by the statement that Trump supportors are either white supremacists or the people who blatantly condone white supremacy. I have given you links from MSM and Guardian. I can give you links from all over the world press ,

Sometimes it is hard to see the truth when you see it through "white colored glasses"


Anyone who thinks like this is terribly lost. This idiocy, this level of malevolence for fellow Americans is the worst thing I've seen in American politics in my lifetime.

I've always only voted libertarian, but in this next election I will most likely vote for Trump.
24   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 28, 4:57am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Out of the eight people I know (guys) who are vocal Trump supporters, four are inter-racially married. Five if i count myself. A white supremacist would never “pollute the white race” like that. And yes, i know a white supremacist. He’s an idiot, and most people don’t like him. He’s never even dated a non-white woman.

Maybe this is merely anecdotal evidence, and I’m not going to “prove it” but it definitely contradicts the idea that all Trump supporters are white supremacists or support it.
25   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 28, 7:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Comment number 14 is clearly a personal attack, clearly beyond all shadow of a doubt talking about another user and has been allowed to remain on this thread.

This clearly flies in the face of "discuss anything but the other users"

Why is the comment still up ?
26   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 28, 7:28am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Deleted now.

@Quigley I love you man, but "you're a liar" was definitely a personal comment.
27   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 28, 7:29am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

It's a time honored leftist tactic: accuse the other side of what you yourself are guilty of.

Democrat policies involving minorities always reinforce a victim mentality that destroys the drive to work harder and creates a dependency on government, which then results in a feedback loop.

Affirmative action is predicated on the assumption that minorities couldn't possibly get jobs unless they were given some sort of hand-out.
Outrage against voter ID is based on the assumption that minorities aren't capable of accomplishing simple tasks like a bit of travel and paying a few bucks for an ID.

Anyone the Dems are "defending" should be insulted by why they're implying.
28   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 28, 7:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_fe1ba says
Affirmative action is predicated on the assumption that minorities couldn't possibly get jobs unless they were given some sort of hand-out.


Yes, it's the "soft bigotry of low expectations", as Bill Maher puts it.
29   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jan 28, 7:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RE: Comment 14. Thank you for keeping some semblance of credibility and fairness at play on the forum.
30   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 28, 8:39am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Patrick says

@Quigley I love you man, but "you're a liar" was definitely a personal comment.


That comment "liar" was directed towards me and while I do not condone it, I do not think it crossed the line . I can be accused of lying and it wouldn't be the first time.

That said "pussy-boy" was out of line and unnecessary.
31   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Jan 31, 10:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Then either put up actual proof that the Russians hacked/rigged the election to the degree that got Trump elected, or...


Russian have hacked is already proven. Did Trump campaign collude. That investigation is only a year old and has made lot of progress. Lot of smoke and some fire too.

Coming back to the Nunes memo. I say release it and let Democrats counter it.
33   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 1, 8:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I am waiting for the memo. Bring on Nunes lies
34   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 1, 8:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Obama said it was impossible to hack the election, and that no serious person entertained that idea.

Unless you're referring to some Black Lives Matter shit that RT might have thrown literally a few bucks at, a fraction of the daily spend of the Clinton Campaign alone during the entire campaign.
36   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 2, 9:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Intelligence experts say it’s unlikely that Steele’s intelligence formed the sole basis for a warrant, and legally, there was no problem with the F.B.I. using information Steele had gathered, even if Democrats helped fund his work. We already know that it wasn’t Steele who sparked the F.B.I.’s Russia inquiry, but Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, who, while drinking with an Australian diplomat in May 2016, said that Russia had dirt on Clinton.
37   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Feb 2, 9:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

Tim Aurora says
Intelligence experts say it’s unlikely that Steele’s intelligence formed the sole basis for a warrant,


Timmy, READ the memo before you embarrass yourself even further.
38   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 2, 10:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
Timmy, READ the memo before you embarrass yourself even further.


I read the memo and that line is not from the memo
39   Tenpoundbass   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 2, 11:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tim Aurora says
Intelligence experts say it’s unlikely that Steele’s intelligence formed the sole basis for a warrant, and legally, there was no problem with the F.B.I. using information Steele had gathered, even if Democrats helped fund his work.

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I told a Lawyer today that she should be ashamed of herself, being a Lawyer in Broward County I've SEEN your WORK!
And got an applause from the Hopsing Diner after She called me racist for believing the Memo.

You know and She knows damn well if this were a Criminal Trial, the judge would have thrown on White noise and called for a Barr and threated to send all of the Lawyers to jail if they ever come back in his courtroom with some bullshit like this.
That case would have been thrown so far out the courtroom, it would landed on a couple careers and been national news about the ensuing corruption abuse of power tials.

You know that stop kidding yourselves you're not kidding me.
You're a big boy, been around a long time you know better.
40   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 2, 11:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

The memo acknowledges that the FISA warrant was extended multiple times. Nunes finds fault in the application because allegedly the court was not told that Fusion GPS which commissioned Steele at one point was paid by an attorney of Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Without proof, it claims he was hired to find disparaging evidence on Trump (Fusion GPS’s founder disputed this under oath). It claims Steele was an FBI source, an allegation for which we have no support. It claims, again without support, that Steele was fired as a source for leaking some of his findings to the press.

It also asserts in confusing fashion that the warrant contained information about George Papadopoulos but there was no evidence of cooperation between the two. A statement released by ranking member Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) and other House Intelligence Committee Democrats suggests there is a connection but Nunes chose to leave that out. In any event, the memo proves something that surely does not help Nunes’s conspiracy theory, namely that the FBI was first alerted to possible interference from Papadopoulos, not by the dossier.

As an afterthought, Nunes then throws in reference to text-message exchanges between FBI employees Lisa Page and Peter Strzok. It’s not clear why that matters or what it has to do with the special counsel’s investigation. What is interesting is that an initial application and three extensions were all approved by the FISA court.

We know that other materials included with the dossier to obtain the warrant were left out of Nunes account, and that a point-by-point rebuttal from Democrats has been suppressed. There is plenty else left out of the memo:

There is no explanation that FISA courts set a high bar for issuance of warrants and generally require multiple pieces of evidence.
There is no acknowledgment that Steele was a respected former MI6 agent or that some of his findings were confirmed by evidence provided from other sources. (Nunes says they were “minimally” sourced.)
There is no recognition the intelligence community already had Page on its radar screen as early as 2013.
There is no indication Steele knew who had funded the dossier (which was begun for a right-leaning publication and later financed by a Democratic associate of Hillary Clinton’s campaign).
There is no proof Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein thought the dossier was unreliable.
There is no proof anything in the dossier was in fact false.
There is no proof that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III or FBI Director Christopher A. Wray (whom Trump hired) had anything to do with the application for the warrant or that it affected their work. Both were hired the year after the initial FISA warrant request.
There is no reason spelled out why Rosenstein, whom Trump later appointed, would have intentionally misled the court.
In short, other than the memo confirming that Nunes and Trump are collectively out to discredit the intelligence community and to thereby impede the investigation into the president’s alleged wrongdoing, I cannot for the life of me figure out what this proves. The media, if forthright, will explain that to Americans who must by this time be very, very confused as to why Nunes and Trump have rejected the advice of top officials who said release of the memo compromises classified information.

This appears to be the second time (the first in the Oval Office with Russian officials) that Trump has handed the Russians classified material. If Trump is not a Russian agent, he surely is acting as effectively as one.
41   Tenpoundbass   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 2, 3:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

The Proof is the bogus source it was a hit piece and everyone involved knew it. If Trump was a private citizen and that report a tabloid story he would sue the hell out of everyone.
It's a Tabloid report they used to violate his Civil and Constitutional rights, while they committed Federal crimes against their office.
For Which! They Will ATONE!
42   Tenpoundbass   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 2, 3:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tim Aurora says
This appears to be the second time (the first in the Oval Office with Russian officials) that Trump has handed the Russians classified material. If Trump is not a Russian agent, he surely is acting as effectively as one.

So if Trump answers the door every time Hillary put a bag of Dogshit on his porch and sets it on fire then rings the doorbell and runs. Then he stomps it out. Does that make him a Shit wallower?
43   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 Feb 2, 3:50pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

If the memo is a hamburger,where's the beef?
Another Rep/Con opinion piece.
44   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 2, 4:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@Patrick
Patent has implemented a policy whereby it is not permitted to discuss other users.
In this thread however, the user has made themselves part of the thread topic. In order to discuss the thread topic invariably the user must be discussed. How should patnets policies be interpreted here?
Tim Aurora says
I am a progressive and I say release the memo- Time to put up or shut up
45   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 2, 4:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BlueSardine says
invariably the user must be discussed


You could just not discuss the user anyway, but stick to the memo.

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