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I like Iben Thranholm. Never heard of her before. She's very clear, calm, and coherent in her description of what has gone wrong in Europe.

P N Dr Lo R says

The most important reason is 30:51-43:00

Go back to religion to provide "purpose" and defeat Islam?
Sorry, won't happen. How about using reason to defeat bad ideas?

Heraclitusstudent says

Go back to religion to provide "purpose" and defeat Islam?
Sorry, won't happen. How about using reason to defeat bad ideas?

It's a worthwhile question/thought but so far it has never been proven that a society based on pure reason will reach the correct conclusions to defeat vile dogmatic and violent belief systems, either they let themselves be conquered or they become stalinistic in nature by "reason". The jury is out on this one but I do agree that in its current state only going back to the roots of Christian religion and culture can and will save Europe (see Poland, Hungary etc.)

No, 'stalinistic' is a form of tribalism very similar to religion: with its prophets, its dogmas, its group think, its use of 'paradise' motivators, etc...
Nothing to do with reasons.
We went through a long period of time in the age of enlightenment when no one tried to destroy Europe through massive Muslim immigration.
So why is this happening now?
Because we have an elite that thinks it needs to immigration for economic reason, thinks it needs to weaken nationalism for European integration reasons. These people are now confusing their ideals and reality, and can't see reality for what it is. They really can't follow the plot here.

So you are right in only 1 sense: people need a form of tribalism. Trying to get rid of tribalism is absurd. Tribalism is the ONLY reason why countries exist. Try to get rid of tribalism and you get Brexit, Catalonia, & Trump.
This still doesn't mean we need to go back to Christianity, and in any case it won't happen. That form of tribalism is gone for good. These are dry bones on the ground. We will see wholly mammoths reborn before Christianity comes back.

Heraclitusstudent says

No, 'stalinistic' is a form of tribalism very similar to religion: with its prophets, its dogmas, its group think, its use of 'paradise' motivators, etc...
Nothing to do with reasons.
We went through a long period of time in the age of enlightenment when no one tried to destroy Europe through massive Muslim immigration.
So why is this happening now?
Because we have an elite that thinks it needs to immigration for economic reason, thinks it needs to weaken nationalism for European integration reasons. These people are now confusing their ideals and reality, and can't see reality for what it is. They really can't follow the plot here.

So you are right in only 1 sense: people need a form of tribalism. Trying to get rid of tribalism is absurd. Tribalism is the ONLY reason why countries exist. Try to get rid of tribalism and you get Brexit, Catalonia, & Trump.
This still doesn't mean we need to go back to Christianity, and in any case it won't happen. That fo...

We'll see how it is achieved but as long as it (the shift back from urban anonymism to tribalism) happens I am fine with it. Tribalism would be a great start.

mell says

Heraclitusstudent says

Go back to religion to provide "purpose" and defeat Islam?
Sorry, won't happen. How about using reason to defeat bad ideas?

It's a worthwhile question/thought but so far it has never been proven that a society based on pure reason will reach the correct conclusions to defeat vile dogmatic and violent belief systems, either they let themselves be conquered or they become stalinistic in nature by "reason". The jury is out on this one but I do agree that in its current state only going back to the roots of Christian religion and culture can and will save Europe (see Poland, Hungary etc.)

Mell, as long as you are talking about going back, dont you think going back to pagan roots is better than going back to Christians roots. Since people who found christianity is not working for them go back to something instead of follow something that is forced on their forefathers?

indc says

mell says

Heraclitusstudent says

Go back to religion to provide "purpose" and defeat Islam?
Sorry, won't happen. How about using reason to defeat bad ideas?

It's a worthwhile question/thought but so far it has never been proven that a society based on pure reason will reach the correct conclusions to defeat vile dogmatic and violent belief systems, either they let themselves be conquered or they become stalinistic in nature by "reason". The jury is out on this one but I do agree that in its current state only going back to the roots of Christian religion and culture can and will save Europe (see Poland, Hungary etc.)

Mell, as long as you are talking about going back, dont you think going back to pagan roots is better than going back to Christians roots. Since people who found christianity is not working...

I am critical of many things modern or half-modern Christianity and aware that it used to be a much more diverse religion mixed with Paganism, Viking-ism and more. However if you look at its entire history, despite dark chapters such as the inquisition, if you do an honest tally Christians have done a lot lot more good than evil and contributed enormously to propel mankind forward tech, science, medicine and general standar-of-living wise. And I think people begin to feel that will many of its faults it was superior to what we have today, so wherever they may go back, it's better than what he have to do, empty non-spiritual consumerism and selling out our own culture, race and pride to globalist leftism. It's going to happen and GenZ is just the start.