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The border wall is still a difficult conversation for Democratic lawmakers, aides, and activists—all of whom in statements and interviews made clear that they opposed its construction except as part of a generous deal for Dreamers. But their new willingness to consider it was also an acknowledgement that conservatives in Congress and the White House had succeeded in moving the terms of the DACA debate with proposals to reduce legal immigration, limit or end the sponsorship of family members, withhold federal funding for “sanctuary cities,” and make it easier for federal officials to swiftly deport undocumented immigrants.
This is sort of old news, given that Schumer offered Trump the wall for DACA. He'll offer it again. The only reason that he pulled the offer was to start fresh, so Greedy McGreedypants doesn't decide that he can push for more. The Dems have decided that they can spend 20 billion, which is $30K per person to give DACA people a path to citizenship. It will cost more than Trump originally claimed, and we will pay for it, and it will not be a continuous wall. It will be enough of a wall that Trump can claim it is actually a big beautiful wall. It will have enough gaps and fencing that Dems will claim it's not what Trump was talking about, and that it was a waste of money but was the price that they had to pay for DACA ransom. Trump will say that Mexico is paying for it, and find some rationale to explain that.
but your rag tag group of Coyotes won't be able to just hop over.
Won't they still be able to tunnel under? Or go around? How far into the ocean will the wall go? Wouldn't it be possible to sail around it?
Amnesty Reagan Style - it worked so well then it will work so well now. We will revisit this again in a few years after whatever is agreed or shoved down the public's throats or up other parts of it's anatomy, just like we are doing after the Reagan deal. (and what a deal it was too, notice how the problem went away and never came back)
Not going to stop it especially when most of the "missing immigrants" arrived here by plane and much like every other country we are piss poor at tracking where people go after they arrive and when they leave.
Until this country and every other country can figure out how to keep track of who enters and leaves the country legally, if they do it on time etc. - this "illegal immigration" is going to continue worldwide, not just here.When a tracking and removal system is in place, it will still continue, people will innovate and find new and creative ways to circumvent the law just like they will do with the "wall".
That's why we can't keep an immigration system from 20 years ago. Trump is updating it to fit the times.
It wont even be 60% effective...remember walls are also good for keeping people in countries as well as keeping people out....everyone would be very well served to remember that small point.
That's why we need reform. Trump is attacking the biggest holes first.
Goran_K saysThat's why we need reform. Trump is attacking the biggest holes first.If trump were attacking the biggest hole first ICE would be kicking down the doors at smithfield and purdue putting ceo's in jail. No jobs, no illegals. Republicans don't want to get rid of illegals, their campaign contributors make way to much money off of them. They only want the appearance of getting rid of illegals. Bread and circus. This thread shows how well it works.