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Nunes Memo - A big Nothing Burger- Now Release the Democratic memo

By Tim Aurora following x   2018 Feb 2, 9:39am 15,899 views   207 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


It is an opinion of one man who

* Was a part of Trump Transition Team
* Did a midnight run for the President
* Did not see the underlying document


His opinion

* Steele Dossier was the basis for FISA - Ans: Page was already under surveillance and possibly under FISA even before
* Does not change the fact that Russia interfered in election
* Does not change the fact that there is ample reason to believe that there was collusion


I think Democrats should come out with a minority report

From Wapo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/02/02/the-nunes-memo-is-out-its-a-joke-and-a-sham/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-f%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.91b3f26382a4
Intelligence experts say it’s unlikely that Steele’s intelligence formed the sole basis for a warrant, and legally, there was no problem with the F.B.I. using information Steele had gathered, even if Democrats helped fund his work. We already know that it wasn’t Steele who sparked the F.B.I.’s Russia inquiry, but Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, who, while drinking with an Australian diplomat in May 2016, said that Russia had dirt on Clinton.

The memo acknowledges that the FISA warrant was extended multiple times. Nunes finds fault in the application because allegedly the court was not told that Fusion GPS which commissioned Steele at one point was paid by an attorney of Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Without proof, it claims he was hired to find disparaging evidence on Trump (Fusion GPS’s founder disputed this under oath). It claims Steele was an FBI source, an allegation for which we have no support. It claims, again without support, that Steele was fired as a source for leaking some of his findings to the press.

It also asserts in confusing fashion that the warrant contained information about George Papadopoulos but there was no evidence of cooperation between the two. A statement released by ranking member Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) and other House Intelligence Committee Democrats suggests there is a connection but Nunes chose to leave that out. In any event, the memo proves something that surely does not help Nunes’s conspiracy theory, namely that the FBI was first alerted to possible interference from Papadopoulos, not by the dossier.

As an afterthought, Nunes then throws in reference to text-message exchanges between FBI employees Lisa Page and Peter Strzok. It’s not clear why that matters or what it has to do with the special counsel’s investigation. What is interesting is that an initial application and three extensions were all approved by the FISA court.

We know that other materials included with the dossier to obtain the warrant were left out of Nunes account, and that a point-by-point rebuttal from Democrats has been suppressed. There is plenty else left out of the memo:

There is no explanation that FISA courts set a high bar for issuance of warrants and generally require multiple pieces of evidence.
There is no acknowledgment that Steele was a respected former MI6 agent or that some of his findings were confirmed by evidence provided from other sources. (Nunes says they were “minimally” sourced.)
There is no recognition the intelligence community already had Page on its radar screen as early as 2013.
There is no indication Steele knew who had funded the dossier (which was begun for a right-leaning publication and later financed by a Democratic associate of Hillary Clinton’s campaign).
There is no proof Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein thought the dossier was unreliable.
There is no proof anything in the dossier was in fact false.
There is no proof that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III or FBI Director Christopher A. Wray (whom Trump hired) had anything to do with the application for the warrant or that it affected their work. Both were hired the year after the initial FISA warrant request.
There is no reason spelled out why Rosenstein, whom Trump later appointed, would have intentionally misled the court.
In short, other than the memo confirming that Nunes and Trump are collectively out to discredit the intelligence community and to thereby impede the investigation into the president’s alleged wrongdoing, I cannot for the life of me figure out what this proves. The media, if forthright, will explain that to Americans who must by this time be very, very confused as to why Nunes and Trump have rejected the advice of top officials who said release of the memo compromises classified information.

This appears to be the second time (the first in the Oval Office with Russian officials) that Trump has handed the Russians classified material. If Trump is not a Russian agent, he surely is acting as effectively as one.

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128   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Feb 5, 2:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The legal guy on CNN was funny the other day covering Trey Gowdy renouncing THE! MEMO! nonsense as childish fucktardia a-go-go commenting things are kinda sideways when it's BIG! NEWS! that a Republican uttered something that resembled verifiable truth.
129   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 5, 3:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
"United States To Leapfrog Russia In 2018 As The World's Top Oil Producer"
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4134778-united-states-leapfrog-russia-2018-worlds-top-oil-producer
What could Trump possibly offer Putin that would make up for these US actions in the past year?


Looking at that article-what exactly did Trump do?

http://www.newsweek.com/quora-question-how-does-russia-benefit-trump-576990
130   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 5, 3:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
Looking at that article-what exactly did Trump do?


"67 Environmental Rules on the Way Out Under Trump"
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/climate/trump-environment-rules-reversed.html
"Congress votes to open Alaska refuge to oil drilling"
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/365772-congress-votes-to-open-alaska-refuge-to-oil-drilling -
Trump and the Republicans campaigned on increasing energy production and everyone in the oil and gas business now have confidence to increase domestic energy production knowing that they are working under a friendly president and congress and won't face new regulations on their business.
131   Booger   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 5, 5:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I also want to read the Democratic memo on the Democratic dossier paid for with Democratic party/campaign money for use by Democratic administration to spy on opposition of Democratic presidential candidate.
133   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 5, 6:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Booger says
I also want to read the Democratic memo on the Democratic dossier paid for with Democratic party/campaign money for use by Democratic administration to spy on opposition of Democratic presidential candidate.


Fusion GPS was started by Republican opponents of Trump, the FBI was all republican , Comey, Rosenstein and even Mueller are all republicans. The issue was forwarded to Senate where McCain and Graham, both Republicans, actually forwarded to FBI. The FISA was approved under Trump administration and do not tell me about the deep state conspiracy. All the presidents including Obama and Bush and Clinton have had no problems with them.

The only common theme that I have seen is if you are against Trump, it is treason.
134   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 5, 6:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Trump and the Republicans campaigned on increasing energy production and everyone in the oil and gas business now have confidence to increase domestic energy production knowing that they are working under a friendly president and congress and won't face new regulations on their business.


Funny--all that just got oil production up to the same level as it was under Obama before the price of oil crashed. Could it be possible that production is related to the price??
135   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 5, 8:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Fusion GPS was started by Republican opponents of Trump, the FBI was all republican , Comey, Rosenstein and even Mueller are all republicans.


As usual, I don't have a pony in the stable on this one. These people do money. Whatever they have to do to get the money. I don't care if they Fused a Republican to a GPS device. It doesn't matter. I suppose maybe I'm the idiot, but you guys (anyone) going back and forth over this definitely makes me feel smarter.
136   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 5, 8:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
socal2 says
Trump and the Republicans campaigned on increasing energy production and everyone in the oil and gas business now have confidence to increase domestic energy production knowing that they are working under a friendly president and congress and won't face new regulations on their business.


Funny--all that just got oil production up to the same level as it was under Obama before the price of oil crashed. Could it be possible that production is related to the price??


This

I was going to say that not only is it of no credit to Trump, but not Obama either, but rather Bush who is credited with our domestic energy production being what it is today. People obviously have no clue the amount of time it takes to get large scale projects schemed, approved, financed, built, inspected and then operationg.
137   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 6, 9:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anonymous says
Wow - thought I was the only one who was aware of this minor detail but never ever let details get in the way of a good lie for something Donnie Doatrd wants to take credit for and his base will believe.

This Dotard guy is a fucking stable genius and a magician as well to make this shit happen at warp speed.

Wonder if he put on a pair of Ruby Slippers and wished real hard what he could achieve ? The fucking ass clown is already in Oz mentally.


This is not hard.


Our oil production has skyrocketed thanks to the ingenuity of the Private Sector and fracking - DESPITE Obama and the Democrats opposing everything from fracking to building new pipelines.

America's massive increase in production is what is affecting the global price of oil and putting the hurt on Russia and OPEC.
138   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 6, 9:37am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Our oil production has skyrocketed thanks to the ingenuity of the Private Sector and fracking - DESPITE Obama and the Democrats opposing everything from fracking to building new pipelines.


Our oil production has skyrocketed because oil prices were high enough to make fracking a viable financial proposition. It's not new technology.

socal2 says

America's massive increase in production is what is affecting the global price of oil and putting the hurt on Russia and OPEC.


You do know that fracking is sucking out the last dregs of oil right? There isn't a whole shit load of oil out there to be fracked. Fracked wells lose 90% of output in a couple years and new wells must be drilled constantly. The boom is short lived unless prices go up. Then there is maybe 10 years oil supply that can be fracked. Then countries with large conventional oil fields will be back in the drivers seat.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/12/141219-fracking-oil-supply-price-reserves-profits-environment/
139   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 6, 9:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
You do know that fracking is sucking out the last dregs of oil right?


You know people have been predicting "Peak Oil" for my entire lifetime right? They have been spectacularly wrong.

bob2356 says
The boom is short lived unless prices go up. Then there is maybe 10 years oil supply that can be fracked. Then countries with large conventional oil fields will be back in the drivers seat.


I can't think of a better time to limit the power and influence of Russia and OPEC than right now. So drill baby drill!

Yet - Democrats are accusing Trump and Republicans of being Russian stooges, while Democrats simultaneously campaign for policies that will restrict domestic energy production and make Putin richer.

Upside down world.
140   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 6, 10:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Haw Haw Haw the Christians and their Apocalypse... been hearing that since the 70s haw haw haw

I'm telling you dude the Great Gaia Catastrophe is coming any second now... 5 foot rises in sea level, high temperatures, Venusian Atmosphere... any day now. Never mind I've been saying that for 40 years!!! You'll find out the hard way, heretic Disbeliever! Repent and buy a Prius!
141   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 6, 10:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
bob2356 says
You do know that fracking is sucking out the last dregs of oil right?


You know people have been predicting "Peak Oil" for my entire lifetime right? They have been spectacularly wrong.


Only idiots that don't understand supply and demand have predicted peak oil. Peak oil predictions are always predicated on oil prices not rising and consumption always rising at a fixed rate, which is absurd. At the right price there will never be peak oil. Consumption, supply, and price of oil has always been a series of interlocked booms and busts. Try reading up on the subject and educate yourself. The US doesn't have a lot of oil reserves relative to consumption even including reserves that can be fracked.
142   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 6, 10:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

socal2 says


I can't think of a better time to limit the power and influence of Russia and OPEC than right now. So drill baby drill!


That's fine as long as you are willing to give them a lot more power and influence down the road. Not that far down the road.
143   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 6, 10:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
That's fine as long as you are willing to give them a lot more power and influence down the road. Not that far down the road.


I am hoping we will be relying more on renewables by then and we can continue to put the hurt on Russia and OPEC.

So in the meantime, we should be fracking the shit out of our oil and gas. All the while, we are reducing our carbon emissions thanks to cleaner natural gas.

"Yes, The U.S. Leads All Countries In Reducing Carbon Emissions"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/10/24/yes-the-u-s-leads-all-countries-in-reducing-carbon-emissions/#1e9185543535
144   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 6, 11:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Yet - Democrats are accusing Trump and Republicans of being Russian stooges, while Democrats simultaneously campaign for policies that will restrict domestic energy production and make Putin richer.


Energy supply is a different field and is managed by different dynamics. We just want to make sure that Trump and Russia did not collude.
145   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 6, 12:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Energy supply is a different field and is managed by different dynamics. We just want to make sure that Trump and Russia did not collude.


Again, in what universe are we to believe that the Russians would prefer Republicans in power? The Democrats have been soft on Russia forever and Obama and Hillary allowed Putin to dramatically increase Russia's presence and influence in Europe (Ukraine) and the Middle East (Syria).

Why would Putin prefer Trump when Trump campaigned that he was going to reduce regulations and encourage the expansion of domestic energy production bringing down the price of oil? That single issue has a bigger impact on Russia than anything else.
146   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 6, 12:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

That Trump, so good for Russia he's arming the Ukrainians with lethal weaponry, expanded sanctions, and banned tons of Putin's friends.

Hillary would have probably done as much, unless Putin gave bigly to the DNC and various PACs. And if she was elected, Dems would be mocking Republicans for pointing out big Russian Banks and Oil Companies doling out big bucks to Dem PACs. "Russia, Russia, Russia, you silly Christian Conservative McCarthyists!!!"
147   BlueSardine   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 6, 12:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Not to mention Hillary is Putin's chief foreign source of nuclear bomb material.
(Crickets from the libbies)
socal2 says
Why would Putin prefer Trump when Trump campaigned that he was going to reduce regulations and encourage the expansion of domestic energy production bringing down the price of oil? That single issue has a bigger impact on Russia than anything else
148   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 6, 12:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
And if she was elected, Dems would be mocking Republicans for pointing out big Russian Banks and Oil Companies doling out big bucks to Dem PACs. "Russia, Russia, Russia, you silly Christian Conservative McCarthyists!!!"


You got to wonder are the Democrat partisans and the Media really this ignorant of RECENT history? Or are they just dishonest?
149   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 6, 12:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BlueSardine says
Why would Putin prefer Trump when Trump campaigned that he was going to reduce regulations and encourage the expansion of domestic energy production bringing down the price of oil? That single issue has a bigger impact on Russia than anything else


Again, two different dynamics. What if Hillary was opposing him on Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine is much more important to Putin.
150   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 6, 12:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Or are they just dishonest?

I'll go with that choice.

What do I win?
151   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 6, 12:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Again, in what universe are we to believe that the Russians would prefer Republicans in power?


Come on--there is absolutely no doubt that the Russians wanted Trump to win. That cannot be disputed.
152   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 6, 12:55pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
Come on--there is absolutely no doubt that the Russians wanted Trump to win. That cannot be disputed.


Nope

Vladimir Putin wants Clinton, not Trump, to win.

The non-stop media narrative throughout the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign has been that Vladimir Putin wants Donald Trump to win. And it’s a narrative that the Clinton campaign has very deftly picked up, blaming Russia and Vladimir Putin for just about everything that has gone wrong over the past six months. It’s hard not to notice that, the more Trump picks up ground on Clinton, the more shrill and paranoid the calls have been that Putin is trying to get Trump elected.

So here’s a counter-argument: Putin actually wants Clinton to win, not Trump. Letting all these conspiracy theories build up in the Russophobic media is just a clever move by the Kremlin to get an opponent to fall right into a trap.

Putin knows Hillary Clinton personally, and knows exactly what to expect from her. He knows that he can push her around in Europe, in the Middle East and in Central Asia. With Trump, the picture is more uncertain. Believe the “bromance” story if you want, but at the end of the day, you’re going to have two alpha males going head-to-head in a room, and it’s lot easier to go head-to-head with Hillary.

If you believe the theory about a sinister Kremlin trying to destabilize the United States, then this scenario of a Clinton victory would be more effective than a Trump victory. A Clinton victory, no matter how resounding, would lead to attempts at a Color Revolution, immediate efforts to impeach her before she even gets to the White House, and a lot more dysfunction for the U.S. government. That would give Russia free rein to do whatever it wants in the world, since the U.S. would have an even harder time stopping it.

https://medium.com/@dominicbasulto/wait-what-vladimir-putin-wants-clinton-not-trump-to-win-79315831a796
153   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 6, 1:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Again, two different dynamics. What if Hillary was opposing him on Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine is much more important to Putin.


Oil and gas is one of the biggest drivers of the Russian economy. Nothing could trump that..........not even Ukraine.

Besides, by the time all this "collusion" was supposed to be going on, Trump had already publicly listed many of his foreign policy advisers and future appointments who were all Defense Hawks with longstanding hostility to Putin and Russia.

And who could forget this - Hillary and the dumb "reset button" with Lavrov? What exactly was Hillary and Obama resetting? Did they think Bush was too soft on Putin?
154   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 6, 1:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

anon_318b7 says
Putin knows Hillary Clinton personally, and knows exactly what to expect from her. He knows that he can push her around in Europe, in the Middle East and in Central Asia. With Trump, the picture is more uncertain. Believe the “bromance” story if you want, but at the end of the day, you’re going to have two alpha males going head-to-head in a room, and it’s lot easier to go head-to-head with Hillary.


Putin knows Clintons can be easily brought off with a few bucks and brought to heel. He'd rather send money to the Clinton Foundation and buy off Hillary Uranium One Style than deal with a Negotiator whose been harping on pumping up a weak military for years.
155   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 6, 1:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

All these hypotheticals about why Putin might do something are useless. It's proven that Russia interfered in the election and did so to promote Trump.

The motives may never be known, but the fact that is happened is not in dispute.
156   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 6, 2:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
All these hypotheticals about why Putin might do something are useless. It's proven that Russia interfered in the election and did so to promote Trump.


Huh? It has been "proven"? By who?

If it is so "proven" - kindly tell us EXACTLY what Russia did to cause Hillary to lose? Did the Russians have a bunch of spies manipulating voting machines? Did the Russians encourage the DNC to rig the primary against Sanders? Did the Russians encourage Hillary to set up a secret email server?
157   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 6, 2:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
Huh? It has been "proven"? By who?


Every agency that has investigated. Even Trump himself has acknowledged Russian interference on several occasions.

socal2 says
If it is so "proven" - kindly tell us EXACTLY what Russia did to cause Hillary to lose? Did the Russians have a bunch of spies manipulating voting machines? Did the Russians encourage the DNC to rig the primary against Sanders? Did the Russians encourage Hillary to set up a secret email server?


Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say Russia caused Hillary to lose. Only that they interfered with the objective being to help Mr. Trump.
158   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 6, 2:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Steele Goes Dark; Ditches London Court Appearance Following Criminal Referral By US Senate.

Former British MI-6 intelligence officer Christopher Steele was a no-show on Monday at a London courthouse, reports Fox News. Steele was expected for a long-requested deposition in a multi-million dollar civil case brought against Buzzfeed, which published a salacious and unverified "Trump-Russia" dossier.

Steele may have skipped out over concerns that he would be asked questions about his contacts with various media outlets in connection with at least two dossiers he had a hand in assembling and disseminating - for which he stands accused by Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) of misleading the FBI about his contacts with journalists at various news outlets during the 2016 election.

"There is substantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Steele materially misled the FBI about a key aspect of his dossier efforts, one which bears on his credibility," reads the unredacted document that refers Steele for criminal prosecution in the US.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-06/steele-goes-dark-ditches-london-court-appearance-following-criminal-referral-us
Interesting, if the information is true and accurate, why would Steele be running?
159   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 6, 2:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
socal2 says
Huh? It has been "proven"? By who?


Every agency that has investigated.


And nothing has come of it.

Mueller has 3 dozen people on his team, and they haven't found a single piece of true evidence yet.

Why is that?
160   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 6, 3:09pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_060ac says
And nothing has come of it.

Mueller has 3 dozen people on his team, and they haven't found a single piece of true evidence yet.

Why is that?


I'm pretty sure they've found a great deal of evidence.

What you meant to say was that they haven't shared said evidence with you. Which is true.
161   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Feb 6, 3:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
And who could forget this - Hillary and the dumb "reset button" with Lavrov?


They say Bush was dumber than dirt. She ate that dirt.
163   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 6, 6:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Putin knows Clintons can be easily brought off with a few bucks and brought to heel. He'd rather send money to the Clinton Foundation and buy off Hillary Uranium One Style than deal with a Negotiator whose been harping on pumping up a weak military for years.


You never did tell us how much Putin paid to buy off the other 13 people who voted on the uranium one deal. You can post the information any time now. We will be waiting, and waiting, and waiting, ...................
164   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 6, 8:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
anon_060ac says
And nothing has come of it.

Mueller has 3 dozen people on his team, and they haven't found a single piece of true evidence yet.

Why is that?


I'm pretty sure they've found a great deal of evidence.

What you meant to say was that they haven't shared said evidence with you. Which is true.


But they've shared it with you? That's how you know there's a great deal of evidence? Or, is this what WaPo said?
165   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 6, 8:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HANNITY: The Senate releases 'Memo 2.0,' and it should scare you.

Hot on the heels of the House memo exposing deep state corruption comes an equally explosive document from the Senate that shows the story behind the phony dossier is even worse than you thought.

Senators Chuck Grassley and Lindsey Graham have released a heavily redacted, yet very revealing copy of their criminal referral against ex-British spy Christopher Steele, the author of the dubious dossier we now know was parlayed into a FISA warrant by Trump-hating operatives at the Justice Department.

Grassley and Graham tell us that, while working on a second dossier for Clinton opposition research firm Fusion GPS, Steele was being fed information directly from the Obama State Department and from Clinton allies as well as his usual, sketchy Russian sources. That’s right, teams Clinton and Obama were working with a foreign spy to undermine then-candidate Donald Trump.

" … Mr. Steele's memorandum states that his company received this report from (redacted), U.S. State Department, and that the report was the second in the series, and that the report was information that came from a foreign sub source who is in touch with a contact of (redacted), a friend of the Clintons who passed it to (redacted).”

So, in addition to Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee paying $12 million for a phony, fake-news Russian propaganda dossier to influence the election, we now learn that her associates and the Obama State Department teamed up with Russian sources to funnel allegations to Steele for a second dossier.

The senators are also accusing Christopher Steele of lying either to the FBI or to the British courts.

"There is substantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Steele materially misled the FBI about a key aspect of his dossier efforts, one which bears on his credibility," they wrote.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/06/sean-hannity-senate-releases-memo-2-0-and-it-should-scare.html
Actual PDF of the second memo:

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-02-06%20CEG%20LG%20to%20DOJ%20FBI%20%28Unclassified%20Steele%20Referral%29.pdf
166   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Feb 6, 9:30pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I talked to four people at State last week.

Everyone snorted about life in a Rod Serling teleplay.

Can I be a CONSPIRATOR!, too?
167   UsualOven   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 6, 10:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Why would Putin prefer Trump


Well the theory is that Putin and his fellow criminal oligarchs want sanctions relief. That is relief without changing their activities, Clinton would almost certainly not give it to them, plus he hated Clinton ( get in line Putie baby) for other reasons. So far all indications are Trump would give up on sanctions if he could, a good indication is that he has not enforced new sanctions that were passed almost unanimously by congress that he reluctantly signed rather than have his veto overturned. The whole deal IMO centers around this and whether the Ruskies have enough dirt on Trump to make him their useful fool, it seems they do. At base this is what Muller is going to report on, if he isn't fired first. It isnt about the pee pee tape its about laundering money stolen/extorted from the Russian people through his real estate ventures.
168   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 7, 6:06am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

anon_da695 says

But they've shared it with you? That's how you know there's a great deal of evidence? Or, is this what WaPo said?


But they've shared it with you? That's how you know there isn't a single bit of evidence? You can't have it both ways.
169   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 7, 7:03am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

anon_948a1 says
HANNITY: The Senate releases 'Memo 2.0,' and it should scare you.


So this is the memo where obama and hillary go to jail? I thought Memo 1.0 was supposed to do that. or are we going to have to wait for Memo 3.0 or 4.0 or infinity.0.

Wow, deep state. Sounds serous. Most people simply call it the government. Maybe you should live someplace without a functioning government and report back to us how it works out. A visa to Somalia is really easy to get.
170   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 7, 9:14am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

UsualOven says
It isnt about the pee pee tape its about laundering money stolen/extorted from the Russian people through his real estate ventures.


Isn't stealing or extorting money from Russians a good thing? They have less, we have more, right? Not certain that is what you meant, but if Trump stole/extorted money from Russians, cool. I would do the same if I could get away with it and live to see the next day. Why would we be concerned about Russian citizens?

If you're saying he laundered money to avoid US taxes or something, then yeah, that's bad. Less bad if he did that by screwing over Russians I suppose, but still bad.

If Trump goes away in handcuffs, does it really matter? If Hillary goes away in handcuffs, does it really matter? We'll all move on, keep working hard and raising our families. This is just a nice distraction, like the NFL. Oh shit, wait, that's being politicized too!
171   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 7, 9:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
anon_da695 says

But they've shared it with you? That's how you know there's a great deal of evidence? Or, is this what WaPo said?


But they've shared it with you? That's how you know there isn't a single bit of evidence? You can't have it both ways.


All the evidence has caused the complete Trump family and campaign to be led away in handcuffs!

Oh wait, nobody has... darn..
172   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 7, 9:26am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_603ec says
All the evidence has caused the complete Trump family and campaign to be led away in handcuffs!

Oh wait, nobody has... darn


At that level, you don't get led off in handcuffs. Your high priced lawyers make an arrangement for you to turn yourself in gracefully. Like Flynn, Manafort, and Gates. Papadapolous did get led away though. He's just the coffee boy, after all.
173   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 7, 9:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
Like Flynn, Manafort, and Gates.


Have you figured out exactly what their Russian collusion with the presidential election was yet?
174   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 7, 9:55am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
If it is so "proven" - kindly tell us EXACTLY what Russia did to cause Hillary to lose? Did the Russians have a bunch of spies manipulating voting machines? Did the Russians encourage the DNC to rig the primary against Sanders? Did the Russians encourage Hillary to set up a secret email server?


But Obama said "No Serious Person" believed you can hack an election back when it looked like Hillary was a shoo-in. All the same people who insist on Russian Collusion now were mocking Trump throughout October and Early November 2016 for suggesting ANYBODY, much less the Russians, could rig a US National Election.

Sore Losers is the Occam's Razor conclusion. Sad!

Stop Whinging, Trump! You're going to lose, but suck it up!

#LosersArentWinners #MuhRussia
175   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 7, 10:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_49812 says
Have you figured out exactly what their Russian collusion with the presidential election was yet?


Nope--the special counsel has been pretty mum on that front. The indictments against both are expected to be modified with additional charges, but it probably depends on how helpful they are as to what those additional charges are.

Same with Flynn--he is likely providing evidence to Mueller at this point so it's hard to say exactly what the collusion will end up being. If at all.
177   MAGA_BOMBER   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 7, 7:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BlueSardine says
(Crickets from the libbies)

Crickets to the guy yelling at cars stuck at the red light on the corner too.
178   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 8, 10:47pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The amazing thing is:

* The FBI/Obama DOJ knew it was from the Clintons when they used it to apply for the FISA warrant and did not disclose this to the FISA Judge
* The FBI/Obama DOJ had knowingly ALSO paid Steele, but did not disclose this to the FISA Judge
* The FBI/Obama DOJ extensively quoted a Yahoo! News piece that was written on the basis of Steele's leaks regarding Dossier (ie the Dossier is true because the Dossier Author says so) and did not disclose this to the Judge.
* Dossier Author Steele and DOJ Bruce Ohr (whose wife is Fusion GPS Dossier Co-Writer Nelly Ohr) are on record with heavy ant-Trump bias, which was, you guessed it, not disclosed to the FISA Judge
* The FBI Agents working on the case were vehemently anti-Trump to a degree that should have precluded them from working this case, and... yep, this was not disclosed to the FISA Judge
* Sally Yates, the person the media moaned about when fired by Trump (even though that's totally normal for high ranking outgoing Admin members even if she hadn't done shit, double if oppo party change in WH), had signed off on the FISA Warrant Request.
* According to the Memo, the Dossier was the Essential part of the FISA Warrant Requests, along with Steele's Own Leak to Yahoo! News via Clinton Water Carrier Michael Issikoff's article.
* And another FISA Warrant requester was McCabe whose wife was paid 6 figures during the election season by Top Clinton Lieutenant Governor McAuliffe.

This means the Judge(s) were mislead into believing the Dossier was an independent construction of current or former British Intelligence Officials and NOT paid by the DNC via Perkins-Coie AND the Obama DOJ via the FBI.

Judges HATE to be lied to, and HATE when Attorneys lie to any Judge.

If you think this is okay, you think not only is Patriot Act wonderful, but that Federal Authorities should be able to mislead Judges when they want to spy on US Citizens and especially those Citizens' broader Networks including Presidential Candidates during an Election.

Why did the FBI/DOJ think they could get away with it? Because FISA Courts reject something like 12 out of 3,000 FISA warrant applications and figured it would just sail through and go unnoticed. Remember, she was supposed to win hands down.
179   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 6:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

I believe the above post is neither accurate nor truthful.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795

"Republican leaders are acknowledging that the FBI disclosed the political origins of a private dossier the bureau cited in an application to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, undermining a controversial GOP memo released Friday and fueling Democratic demands to declassify more information about the bureau’s actions."
180   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 9, 7:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
* The FBI/Obama DOJ knew it was from the Clintons when they used it to apply for the FISA warrant and did not disclose this to the FISA Judge

OK. It was from oppo research funded by multiple people. That is what the FISA application stated. It was literally exactly correct. If they had stated that it was funded entirely by Clinton, they would have been giving factually incorrect information. Further, the timing of the application was October 2016. That is 1 month until the general election. If the FISA judge sees that it is from oppo research and assumes that Clinton was not involved, that would be incompetence at the highest level. If they wanted to know if Clinton was involved, couldn't they have asked?
The warrant was for Carter page who the FBI had been concerned about for 3 years. Carter page was no longer working for the Trump campaign according to Trump's campaign, so the whole thing is not relevant to spying on Trump or his campaign.
This whole 'scandal' is as real as the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. You believe it is there if you really want it to be there, and ....
181   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 9, 7:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_61c8a says
This whole 'scandal' is as real as the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. You believe it is there if you really want it to be there, and ....


So all the FBI and DOJ people involved in the Hillary and Trump investigations who have now resigned or been demoted is all nothing?
182   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 9, 8:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The amazing thing is:

* The FBI/Obama DOJ knew it was from the Clintons when they used it to apply for the FISA warrant and did not disclose this to the FISA Judge
* The FBI/Obama DOJ had knowingly ALSO paid Steele, but did not disclose this to the FISA Judge
* The FBI/Obama DOJ extensively quoted a Yahoo! News piece that was written on the basis of Steele's leaks regarding Dossier (ie the Dossier is true because the Dossier Author says so) and did not disclose this to the Judge.
* Dossier Author Steele and DOJ Bruce Ohr (whose wife is Fusion GPS Dossier Co-Writer Nelly Ohr) are on record with heavy ant-Trump bias, which was, you guessed it, not disclosed to the FISA Judge
* The FBI Agents working on the case were vehemently anti-Trump to a degree that should have precluded them from working this case, and... yep, this was not disclosed to the FISA Judge
* Sally Yates, the person the media moaned about when fi...


If you know all this, it’s safe to assume the FISA judge(s) do as well. What was their reaction?
183   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 9, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
So all the FBI and DOJ people involved in the Hillary and Trump investigations who have now resigned or been demoted is all nothing?


Of course! FBI and DOJ are all feminazi jihadi bent on installing IHLary as LESBIAN! EMPRESS! OF! AMERICA! for life.
184   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 9, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

socal2 says
So all the FBI and DOJ people involved in the Hillary and Trump investigations who have now resigned or been demoted is all nothing?

It's probably mostly Trump cleaning house. McCabe was eligible for full pension. He cannot work effectively when Trump is tweeting that he is corrupt. Why the fuck would he stay? Just look at my post, and explain where I am wrong. You cannot dismiss what is right in your face because some people are being forced out of the FBI by an administration that is desperate to fend off the investigations.
185   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 9, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

errc says
If you know all this, it’s safe to assume the FISA judge(s) do as well. What was their reaction?


How would the FISA judges know the political leanings of the FBI agents?
186   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 9, 9:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I must have debunked the "Jeb paid for the Dossier" thing several times. Here it is again: Jeb's PAC stopped paying Fusion GPS before the Dossier project began, but Perkins-Coie was paying Fusion GPS when Steele was working on the Dossier.

But even if !!!Jeb!!! paid for the Dossier it still doesn't excuse the FBI/DOJ from informing the Judge the Dossier was first and foremost a product of Oppo Research . Nor does it excuse knowingly passing on information in support of the Author and Dossier that itself was a leak from the self same Author, Steele, into the hands of Michael Issokoff, himself a long time Democrat-linked individual and Clinton Crony.

errc says
If you know all this, it’s safe to assume the FISA judge(s) do as well. What was their reaction?


No idea. The FISA Warrant was already issued and renewed, but I can say if any of the participants get charged, they are going to face a hostile judge when the prosecutors reveal what the FBI/DOJ concealed from the Warrant Request.

Another thing is that if Mueller has any info obtained from a "dishonest FISA warrant issue", and given the hostility of Judges to being mislead either themselves and other Judges, in general, it will definitely be of extreme interest to the Court, to put it mildly.

"The prosecution would like to introduce this piece of evidence..."
"Objection your honor, permission to approach the bench? This info came from the FISA Warrant that was dishonestly obtained."
"Sustained. You cannot introduce that fruit of poisoned tree evidence, Mueller. FLOOSH! Down the toilet, you cannot mention it in court."
"ARGH!! Orange Douche!!!"

The effects will be far reaching, whether Mueller tries to charge Trump Associates or if the Trump DOJ goes after McCabe/Strzok/Etc. Remember, Strzok and others worked FOR Mueller for several months before being fired for their texts/emails/etc. Their omissions in the FISA Warrant requests (along with their texts/email chains) will poison all of Mueller's attempts in the Courtroom.

FISA requests for US Citizens like Carter Page, which under the Patriot Act require more steps, more disclosure, and more limited times for execution.

This is bigger than Watergate.
187   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 9, 9:31am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Stzok and Lisa Page's careers are certainly over.

"Comrade Strzok, Deputy Director of Counter-Intelligence, I must inform you that FSB has many photographs of you with Miss Page at Motel 6 Love Shack. Also Audio of makey love. You must not look into Agent Malakov's activities or many bad things will be revealed to your wife and the press."
188   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 9:54am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ripped off from another thread:
189   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 9:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
But even if !!!Jeb!!! paid for the Dossier it still doesn't excuse the FBI/DOJ from informing the Judge the Dossier was first and foremost a product of Oppo Research . Nor does it excuse knowingly passing on information in support of the Author and Dossier that itself was a leak from the self same Author, Steele, into the hands of Michael Issokoff, himself a long time Democrat-linked individual and Clinton Crony.


Not sure if McGee is ignoring me so he didn't see the response or just ignoring the response.

HappyGilmore says
I believe the above post is neither accurate nor truthful.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795

"Republican leaders are acknowledging that the FBI disclosed the political origins of a private dossier the bureau cited in an application to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, undermining a controversial GOP memo released Friday and fueling Democratic demands to declassify more information about the bureau’s actions."
190   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 9, 10:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I must have debunked the "Jeb paid for the Dossier" thing several times. Here it is again: Jeb's PAC stopped paying Fusion GPS before the Dossier project began, but Perkins-Coie was paying Fusion GPS when Steele was working on the Dossier.

But even if !!!Jeb!!! paid for the Dossier it still doesn't excuse the FBI/DOJ from informing the Judge the Dossier was first and foremost a product of Oppo Research . Nor does it excuse knowingly passing on information in support of the Author and Dossier that itself was a leak from the self same Author, Steele, into the hands of Michael Issokoff, himself a long time Democrat-linked individual and Clinton Crony.

errc says
If you know all this, it’s safe to assume the FISA judge(s) do as well. What was their reaction?


No idea. The FISA Warrant was already issued and renewed, but I can say if any of the participants get charged, t...


Occams Razor: Trump has committed crimes and poisoning the well wrt ‘chain of evidence’ is the easiest way to avoid prosecution

Why aren’t the Trumpcucks holding the FISA judge accountable?

Instead they’re still neck deep in Muh Hillary
191   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 9, 10:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why would Obama and Hillary want to spy on Trump?
192   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 9, 1:25pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

errc says
Trump has committed crimes


What crimes would that be?
193   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 9, 1:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
What crimes would that be?


Likely money laundering, fraud. Possibly collusion and obstruction of justice.
194   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 9, 3:22pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
Sniper says
What crimes would that be?


Likely money laundering, fraud. Possibly collusion and obstruction of justice.


"Likely" and "Possibly"...

Do we have any FACTS to back that up, or just hyperbole and conjecture?
195   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 9, 4:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Occams Razor: Trump has committed crimes and poisoning the well wrt ‘chain of evidence’ is the easiest way to avoid prosecution


You mean "Fruit of the Poisoned Tree".
196   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 17, 1:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So why not release the Democratic Memo
197   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Feb 17, 2:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
So why not release the Democratic Memo


If anyone seriously doesn't know why then that proves just how low a bottom feeder of information they are.

You do remember talk about if Trump released a Memo that had classified information on it then he couldn't release it.
Then they turned around and released one hoping like hell they could brow beat him to releasing so Find Me an Out Mueller could hang him for the one crime they couldn't find so far.

Ya'll can keep pretending you're bullshitting the voters. We'll see in November wont we?
198   CajunSteve   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 17, 3:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
So why not release the Democratic Memo


Because Trump doesn't care about transparency. He's scared of Mueller and he tried to deflect attention by having his stooge Nunes release the partisan hack memo. But it backfired because Republican Congressmen oversold the hell out of it and when it was released, they looked like idiots.

If he releases the Dem memo now, it will show how many lies were in the Nunes memo and make him look even worse...

Notice Republicans won't release the actual FISA application either. If there was really any misconduct, they would have made it public a long time ago.
201   Tenpoundbass   ignore (13)   2018 Feb 17, 3:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

today

Mueller be like

Trump be like

203   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 23, 12:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Release the Democratic Memo

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