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My wife said: "It's always been that way." Sounds like a pothead!

By HEYYOU following x   2018 Feb 8, 10:23pm 758 views   12 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


"More than 30,700 Americans died from alcohol-induced causes in 2014. There have been zero documented deaths from marijuana use alone."

Go ahead & destroy America with your Killer Weed imbibing!

"The term was popularized by the media shortly after a press conference given on June 18, 1971, by President Richard Nixon—the day after publication of a special message from President Nixon to the Congress on Drug Abuse Prevention and Control—during which he declared drug abuse "public enemy number one". Wikipedia-War on Drugs

Where's the death penalty for Republicans that just can't say NO?

http://www.businessinsider.com/alcohol-marijuana-which-worse-health-2017-11/#more-than-30700-americans-died-from-alcohol-induced-causes-in-2014-there-have-been-zero-documented-deaths-from-marijuana-use-alone-1
1   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Feb 9, 6:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Wait you're saying Alcohol induced causes, not alcohol poisoning or organ damage caused by drinking over the years. If that also includes accidents caused by drinking or impaired thinking when drinking.
Then I doubt the pot survey caught the guy that got stoned before he decided to change the light switch he got at home depot. And proceeded after smoking without cutting the power first. Or was so stoned they zoned on their radio dial or their phone screen longer than they should have and hit a tree full speed head on.
I bet in that case they just blamed the phone, and the home depot guy they just said he was inexperienced.
2   HEYYOU   ignore (16)   2018 Feb 9, 9:47am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

"There have been zero documented deaths from marijuana use alone."
3   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 10:37am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Talk to an alcoholic, and he will assert that drinking is a harmless, pleasant healthful habit and ignore all the documentation of harm, too, and that if he/she/it were just left alone, they aren't harming anybody but themselves (insert sound of screeching brakes, twisting metal, agonizing screams, and blood and guts spattering on pavement).

If you hadn't noticed, ALL addicts ignore any evidence of harm and just keep trucking and using. It is what makes addiction the perfect virus. It hijacks the judgement center, takes over the appetite center, and blanks out any forebrain activity that would negate it's use.

THAT has been documented over and over ad nauseum, but presenting evidence of harm to users is a general waste of time. Telling them that they are responsible for the consequences of using when they are weeping and feeling sorry for themselves for bad health, accidents, failure to thrive and adjust to their lives etc. is likewise a general waste of time.
4   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 9, 10:50am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

If I was not at work right now, I would drink 3 shots of stoli listen to sting ray russia, then go to gym and see what's on RT america. What a great afternoon it would be! Na Zdorovya!
5   HEYYOU   ignore (16)   2018 Feb 9, 1:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"Why alcohol has this negative effect on all elements of our health could be down to acetaldehyde - the product alcohol is broken down into in the body."

"Acetaldehyde is toxic and has been shown to damage DNA."


https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/mar/07/safe-level-alcohol-consumption
6   HEYYOU   ignore (16)   2018 Feb 9, 5:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"An epidemic of despair is disproportionately claiming the lives of rural white Americans in the prime of adulthood"
Wonder what Party they support?


http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-drugs-alcohol-suicides-20180208-story.html
7   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 9, 5:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ceffer says
THAT has been documented over and over ad nauseum, but presenting evidence of harm to users is a general waste of time.

WARNING: If you are taking blood thinners or if you have low blood pressure for some other reason and you smoke marijuana, you are going to pass out whether you are driving, or anywhere else where it is not safe to SUDDENLY lose consciousness.
8   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 6:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The "healthy heart" paradigm promoted by the pushers and alcohol lobbies is also generally false. It is based on the autopsy observation that alcohol drinkers have fewer arterial plaques than non-drinkers. This is attributed to the anti coagulant effect of alcohol. It ignores the effects of direct toxicity of alcohol and its metabolites to heart muscle (or all water soluble tissue, for that matter) and arteries.

Also, anti-coagulant effects, if they become too pronounced, result in other potential harms such as increased risk of bleeding strokes and infarcts to brain tissue. The anticoagulant effect is easily mimicked by low dose aspirin, which also have it's own counter risks. Nothing is "risk free".

The models for plaque formation (not perfectly understood) posit micro tears to the adventitia, which stack platelets (clotting reaction) that adhere and then accumulate stiff fats from the blood to form plaques.

There was an article that investigated the large pools of human lab rats in Russian autopsy studies. You can see photographs of heavy drinkers' arteries, which appear to be smooth and plaque free, but they are also atrophic i.e. thin, weak and suffering deterioration/thinness from the alcohol consumption. The reduction in plaques appears to be coeval with a general deterioration in the actual health and functionality of the arteries. Arteries aren't just tubes, they are reactive muscles and many are quite thick. When they thin out, they can't perform their regulatory function and are at increased risk for dissecting aneurysm (blood being pumped into arterial wall ripping it, usually fatal).

Also, alcohol can cause intense spiking of blood pressure with it's risks to the circulatory system and end organs.

These effects are in addition to the general deterioration of organs and brain caused by alcohol toxicity and it's metabolism, side effects and carcinogenic enhancement.

The intense inflammatory reaction caused by alcohol is like crying wolf to the immune system over and over. Eventually, the immune system looks for something to attack, and it is usually something in the host, so alcohol exacerbates auto immune conditions.

So as a rule, any one thing you might cite that is "healthy" about alcohol can be countered by numerous other citations of things that can be unhealthy to devastating, even without the addiction liability.
9   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 9, 6:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I have to say that the majority of my Irish male relatives in previous generations were heavy drinkers and died fairly young, like 50 or 60.

But that does not disprove the health benefits of 1 or 2 drinks per day, especially of red wine. Those dead relatives were mostly beer and whiskey drinkers, and definitely not in moderation.
10   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 6:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I had an aunt who smoked exactly one cigarette a day, sometimes two, and never varied. However, citing the "ideal" useage as an excuse for general usage seldom applies, because there is no standard model for moderation that describes actual use. My aunt could be described as an "ideal" smoker, but she is neither a typical nor a representative smoker.

Use occurs on variations of a bell curve from none to excessive, and few of the variations conform to the "one or two" paradigm. You couldn't even describe the "one or two" as a meaningful mean or median value. However, the "one or two" paradigm is so embedded in the public consciousness, that if you ask somebody who is reeling drunk how much they drank, they will invariably say "one or two" because that is widely regarded as appropriate.

Also, one or two a day is plenty to incite the inflammatory effects of alcohol. I think doctors recommend this because they just don't want to struggle with drinkers or users, and it keeps old people sedated and off the phones at night.

I suppose my beef is, if you are going to drink, fine, have your brewskis, but please don't try to convince me or yourself that it is contributing to your health, unless you live somewhere where the water is not potable/contaminated or you are so bereft of caloric intake that the calories and minor nutrients of alcohol are necessary to round out your diet. The funded studies promoting the health propaganda are just the pusher man brainwashing you to indulge in his wares.
11   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 7:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ceffer says
Also, one or two a day is plenty to incite the inflammatory effects of alcohol. I think doctors recommend this because they just don't want to struggle with drinkers or users, and it keeps old people sedated and off the phones at night.

I suppose my beef is, if you are going to drink, fine, have your brewskis, but please don't try to convince me or yourself that it is contributing to your health


No doctor will recommend alcohol for that reason. The benefits of red wine has been proven by medical research. I ain't arguing about good things proven by science:
Red Wine
Lot's of Sex
Partying
12   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Feb 9, 8:57pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

HEYYOU says
There have been zero documented deaths from marijuana use alone."


They must have missed this:

Traffic fatalities linked to marijuana are up sharply in Colorado.

The number of drivers involved in fatal crashes in Colorado who tested positive for marijuana has risen sharply each year since 2013, more than doubling in that time, federal and state data show.

Increasingly potent levels of marijuana were found in positive-testing drivers who died in crashes in Front Range counties, according to coroner data since 2013 compiled by The Denver Post. Nearly a dozen in 2016 had levels five times the amount allowed by law, and one was at 22 times the limit. Levels were not as elevated in earlier years.

The 2013-16 period saw a 40 percent increase in the number of all drivers involved in fatal crashes in Colorado, from 627 to 880, according to the NHTSA data. Those who tested positive for alcohol in fatal crashes from 2013 to 2015 — figures for 2016 were not available — grew 17 percent, from 129 to 151.

By contrast, the number of drivers who tested positive for marijuana use jumped 145 percent — from 47 in 2013 to 115 in 2016. During that time, the prevalence of testing drivers for marijuana use did not change appreciably, federal fatal-crash data show.

And the numbers probably are even higher.

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/25/colorado-marijuana-traffic-fatalities/




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