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Tuvalu gains land mass

By TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce following x   2018 Feb 9, 5:20pm 2,411 views   49 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


The Pacific nation of Tuvalu—long seen as a prime candidate to disappear as climate change forces up sea levels—is actually growing in size, new research shows.

A University of Auckland study examined changes in the geography of Tuvalu's nine atolls and 101 reef islands between 1971 and 2014, using aerial photographs and satellite imagery.

It found eight of the atolls and almost three-quarters of the islands grew during the study period, lifting Tuvalu's total land area by 2.9 percent, even though sea levels in the country rose at twice the global average.


Co-author Paul Kench said the research, published Friday in the journal Nature Communications, challenged the assumption that low-lying island nations would be swamped as the sea rose.

"We tend to think of Pacific atolls as static landforms that will simply be inundated as sea levels rise, but there is growing evidence these islands are geologically dynamic and are constantly changing," he said.

"The study findings may seem counter-intuitive, given that (the) sea level has been rising in the region over the past half century, but the dominant mode of change over that time on Tuvalu has been expansion, not erosion."

It found factors such as wave patterns and sediment dumped by storms could offset the erosion caused by rising water levels.




Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-02-pacific-nation-bigger.html#jCp

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10   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 10, 9:05pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
the current rise in sea level.

So how much has the water risen?
Last time I was in Manhattan my feet stayed dry.
11   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 11, 12:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

No one has been able to show me a picture where an island has been submerged due to rising sea level. No one has ever been able to even show me rising sea level in pictures.

I am open to the possibility that sea levels change, but for all the hype, there isn’t even a hint of proof. To me, it is inconclusive that there has been any measuresble rise over the last hundred years.
12   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 11, 12:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_fd7ee says
I would worry if I can't see their pussy anymore.


Everybody has a different threshold.
13   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Feb 11, 6:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
So how much has the water risen?
Last time I was in Manhattan my feet stayed dry.
Malcolm says
No one has been able to show me a picture where an island has been submerged due to rising sea level. No one has ever been able to even show me rising sea level in pictures.

I am open to the possibility that sea levels change, but for all the hype, there isn’t even a hint of proof. To me, it is inconclusive that there has been any measuresble rise over the last hundred years.


Google doesnt' work for you guys somehow?
14   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 11, 9:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Google doesnt' work for you guys somehow?

Who does google work for?
15   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Feb 11, 9:21am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Google doesnt' work for you guys somehow?


I missed those pictures from your Forbes link above showing the before and after of the 8 disappearing islands from global warming. Can you please repost them?
16   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2018 Feb 11, 11:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

When the ocean floor sinks to the center of the earth from the weight of water
Tuvalu will be the largest continent.
17   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 11, 11:53am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
bob2356 says
Google doesnt' work for you guys somehow?

Who does google work for?


Why, the NSA of course.
18   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 11, 12:47pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

Who does google work for?


Why, the NSA of course.

I know.
But if you have nothing to hide, why do you need the bill of rights?
19   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 1:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/5-islands-have-disappeared-from-the-solomon-islands-in-the-pacific-ocean-due-to-rising-sea
SYDNEY (AFP) - Five islands have disappeared in the Pacific's Solomon Islands due to rising sea levels and coastal erosion, according to an Australian study that scientists said on Saturday (May 7) could provide valuable insights for future research.
A further six reef islands have been severely eroded in the remote area of the Solomons, the study said, with one experiencing some 10 houses being swept into the sea between 2011 and 2014.
"At least 11 islands across the northern Solomon Islands have either totally disappeared over recent decades or are currently experiencing severe erosion," the study published in Environmental Research Letters said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/368892.stm
20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 1:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
But if you have nothing to hide, why do you need the bill of rights?


So true!

Who needs freedom of speech when we have the mainstream press to tell us what all right-thinking people believe?

The bill of rights just protects Nazis and racists, so we need to get rid of it! Let's start by jailing people for using pronouns which reflect biological reality instead of self-absorbed fantasy. Ah wait, we already have a law which does that in California, SB219. Supreme Court does not seem to be defending the First Amendment, so it is clearly going away.
21   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 1:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_3b28c says
experiencing severe erosion,"


Question: What causes erosion?

Answer: moving water.

Question: what moves water?

Answer: Wind

anon_dd91d says
where a natural trade wind cycle has caused an extra build-up of water over the last half-century."


Your Science lesson is completed for today!
22   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 11, 2:43pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hurricanes routinely destroy and form islands. These sand bars barely above sea level are prone to multiple natural forces, and just because they existed a few decades ago does not mean they are entitled to permanent existence and freedom from natural sources of erosion.

I have watched the Pacific Ocean in a few years erode areas along California. That is completely normal, because in Californian, the Pacific Ocean is an erosive force, not a constructive force, and it has nothing to do with Global Warming. The Pacific Coast is slowly eroding at a known rate. Beaches wash away and re-form in a cyclic manner, cliffs crumble, buildings/roads fall off cliffs because they shouldn't have been built there to begin with.
23   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 7:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_9ece2 says
Question: What causes erosion?

Answer: moving water.

Question: what moves water?

Answer: Wind


Question: What causes more erosion?
Answer: Higher water levels.
24   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 7:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
These sand bars barely above sea level are prone to multiple natural forces, and just because they existed a few decades ago does not mean they are entitled to permanent existence and freedom from natural sources of erosion.


Yep, just like humans have existed for only a few moments of the earth's life and are not entitled to permanent existence either.
25   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 11, 9:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_3b28c says
anon_9ece2 says
Question: What causes erosion?

Answer: moving water.

Question: what moves water?

Answer: Wind


Question: What causes more erosion?
Answer: Higher water levels.


Did ya miss this part?

anon_dd91d says
where a natural trade wind cycle has caused an extra build-up of water over the last half-century."


Note: extra build-up of water means there are "Higher water levels".

Does that help?
26   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 6:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_5df70 says
Did ya miss this part?


Please don't post about the commenter.

But, no I didn't miss that. You know what else causes an extra build up of water? Ice that used to be over land melting.
27   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 12, 7:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
Hurricanes routinely destroy and form islands. These sand bars barely above sea level are prone to multiple natural forces, and just because they existed a few decades ago does not mean they are entitled to permanent existence and freedom from natural sources of erosion.


Don't get me started on Coral Reefs. Those things have been around for hundreds of millions of years and yet the alarmists pretend coral reefs themselves will go extinct over a few degrees F in average warming when they've survived countless ice ages and "hot ages".
28   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 12, 7:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
the alarmists

Fewer of those each year the temp and sea doesn't rise.
For you few alarmists left, instead of scaring children with stories of wetbulb death and drowning, encourage them with stories of humans overcoming nature.
29   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
anon_5df70 says
Did ya miss this part?




But, no I didn't miss that. You know what else causes an extra build up of water? Ice that used to be over land melting.


How much did the water rise up because of the wind versus how much did the water rise because of that melting ice?
30   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 12, 8:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_def08 says
How much did the water rise up because of the wind versus how much did the water rise because of that melting ice?


The Settled Science can't answer this.

But the safest course is to PANIC!!!
31   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 12, 8:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The Settled Science can't answer this.

But the safest course is to PANIC!!!


Yes, let's commit trillions of dollars over the next century to MAYBE not do very much. That sounds like a logical course of action.
32   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
anon_def08 says
How much did the water rise up because of the wind versus how much did the water rise because of that melting ice?


The Settled Science can't answer this.


That's a serious question I would like the alarmists to answer.

I've seen the effect of wind blowing water and how high it can rise, sometimes by multiple feet. I haven't seen a measurable rise in water due to melting ice.

NYC still isn't underwater, so somehow there seems to be a disconnect with this whole ice melt = underwater hoax?
33   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The Settled Science can't answer this.

But the safest course is to PANIC!!!


Actually the safest course is to make the changes that we can make to reduce CO2 emissions and stop as much of the warming as we can.

Not sure who is panicking. I haven't seen any riots over climate change--did I miss them?

All I see are rational people showing potential outcomes if current trends don't change.
34   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I can't see neutrons therefore they must not exist.
35   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_def08 says
I haven't seen a measurable rise in water due to melting ice.


And you trust your eyes over actual scientific measurements?

Idiocracy.
36   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 12, 8:42am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
And you trust your eyes over actual scientific measurements?


Proxies aren't direct measurements. Ice Core Samples are Proxies, as are Tree Rings.
37   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 8:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Proxies aren't direct measurements. Ice Core Samples are Proxies, as are Tree Rings.


Sea levels aren't.
38   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 12, 9:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says

All I see are rational people showing potential outcomes if current trends don't change.

So, what is the trend?
It seems the temperature has not changed much over the last 50 years. 2017 is cooler than 2015.
The scam is being exposed by nature.
39   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 9:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
anon_def08 says
I haven't seen a measurable rise in water due to melting ice.


And you trust your eyes over actual scientific measurements?

Idiocracy.


Yes

40 years, the sea level hasn't changed at the same places I've gone to.

How's that?
40   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 9:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_7e933 says
Yes

40 years, the sea level hasn't changed at the same places I've gone to.

How's that?


My guess is your eyes are unable to tell the change as it's small compared to the changes due to tidal forces.
41   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Cool, another climate change thread. Is this like some sort of fetish for a lot of you? Bringing up a topic that you know you're not going to change anyone's mind on? This goes for both sides of this black hole argument.

Until this stops: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ you can reduce carbon or whatever anyone thinks is causing a problem in this world and it really won't matter at some point in the future. Call it Malthusian or whatever, but the hockey stick in that link is probably more important than any other data line.

If it takes 200 years, 2,000 years, 20,000 years, I'm not sure what difference it makes taking a line from Hillary. Without population controls/limits, this all ends rather nasty. Not necessarily extinction, but massive population losses will need to occur at some point to keep us humans going.
42   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 11:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
anon_7e933 says
Yes

40 years, the sea level hasn't changed at the same places I've gone to.

How's that?


My guess is your eyes are unable to tell the change as it's small


"My guess" is that the sea level change is so small, that's why it can't be seen. Thanks for admitting that the hoax about sea level change is just that, a hoax by the alarmists, and so small, it's unmeasurable.

Is NYC underwater yet?

anon_8f378 says
compared to the changes due to tidal forces.


Who said anything about tidal changes? Further up the thread it made references to changes in water levels due to wind, and the erosion that came from it, not tidal changes.
43   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 12, 11:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
Sea levels aren't.


Sea Levels have been rising ever since the last ice age ended.

The prediction models have been way off. The actual measurements show not much happening, as a global average.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html
44   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 11:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_10ddb says
Who said anything about tidal changes?


I did. If you're trying to measure sea change with the naked eye, you have to account for tidal forces. Not sure how one would be able to do this.

Which is why we have scientists who actually use tools to measure sea level and don't rely on their eyes.
45   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 12, 12:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
Which is why we have scientists who actually use tools to measure sea level and don't rely on their eyes.


Exactly. And their direct observations are contrary to the computer models. See the Telegraph article for more.
46   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 12, 7:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
anon_10ddb says
Who said anything about tidal changes?


I did.


Great, so now we can add wind, causing higher water along with tidal changes, which caused the erosion and disappearance of those islands.

Makes perfect sense, thanks for clarifying that.

The Alarmists aren't going to be happy though, how can they blame the disappearing islands on melting ice? Their narrative was just wrecked, again.
47   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 13, 7:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_ce856 says
reat, so now we can add wind, causing higher water along with tidal changes, which caused the erosion and disappearance of those islands.

Makes perfect sense, thanks for clarifying that.

The Alarmists aren't going to be happy though, how can they blame the disappearing islands on melting ice? Their narrative was just wrecked, again.


I don't think you are understanding the point. It's not that tidal forces have changed over time. It's that in order to measure a difference in sea levels, you have to have a baseline to measure against. But the baseline sea level changes due to tidal forces so you and your naked eye will never know what the baseline is that you are measuring against, and will never be able to tell if it has risen or fallen.
48   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 14, 8:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's global warming! It's evaporating the ocean!!!
49   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Feb 14, 9:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
I don't think you are understanding the point. It's not that tidal forces have changed over time. It's that in order to measure a difference in sea levels, you have to have a baseline to measure against. But the baseline sea level changes due to tidal forces so you and your naked eye will never know what the baseline is that you are measuring against, and will never be able to tell if it has risen or fallen.


Do you suppose that since science can measure gravity waves from a billion light years away they just might be able to figure out how to compensate for tides in their measurements of sea levels?

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