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The Lesson From Today's School Shooting

By MisterLearnToCode following x   2018 Feb 14, 12:41pm 12,540 views   127 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Homeschool your kids. Don't leave them at the mercy of an impersonal institution run by professional morons.

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48   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 8:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
bob2356 says
Better they learn from amateur morons in the home who were too cheap to arm them so they could stand their ground.


Homeschooled students score about 72 points higher than the national average on the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT). The average American College Test (ACT) score is 21. The average score for homeschoolers is 22.8 out of a possible 36 points. Homeschoolers are at the 77th percentile on the Iowa Test of Basic Skills.
https://wehavekids.com/education/Do-Homeschoolers-Really-Do-Better-on-Tests
Many states don't give the ACT and SAT to all (or even most) students, either, so the differential is probably worse for Public School Students.

Enthusiasm and a Strong Vested Interest trumps 30 credits in Diversity Training backed by a huge bureaucracy.


Homeschool has always been a tone deaf a rallying cry for white nationalists who like to arrange marriages (and occasionally fuck their children) and teach them to hate non-natives. It's a dog whistle most intelligent people have figured out.
49   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 15, 11:49am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
FP says
Clearly the problem is one or both of the following:
1. Too much weapons in the US.
2. Americans are one of the most murderous peoples on earth.

Whichever it is, it justifies keeping guns away from the Americans. However, that will not happen; too many idiots, too much corruption, a dysfunctional political system.


... and yet you continue to flock here instead of staying in your peaceful paradises full of super-smart people...


Hahaha, so predictable a response. And a personal attack, which I'll let stand because it's so illogical; maybe you'd wish to delete it yourself.

As for why it make sense to flock here, in light of what I wrote earlier:

1. Americans are even more murderous abroad.

2. Living in a place full of idiots gives me huuuge competitive advantage.
52   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 12:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Care to try and figure out what's going on in the schools TODAY causing these increased shootings, and why this wasn't happening 10 years ago


Oh, but it was happening 10 years ago. You need to go back further.

The issue is lack of military service, a maligned boy scouts, and shitty excuses for male role models: like Cadet-Bone-Spurs and the "shooter in every jungle gym" NRA.

Modern masculinity has been horribly marred and twisted by some real primitive knuckle dragging tribalist fucks ... who think shooting a 1000 pond herbivore from the comfort of their Range Rover is manly.

This issue is todays American male population has a higher concentration of terrified weenies tweeting their latest black plastic tacti-cool acquisition and jacking off to porn hub. Then one day ... snap ... "life is too hard, my penis is too small, she called me names" ... goes and shoots up his school.

You want to blame today's youth? Nuh-uh. You blame todays adult males. We are failing our sons.
53   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 15, 12:22pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says


You could look at that via "mother" and "father" archetypes, which also reflect our political divisions to a large degree.

The mother archetype is trying to get all the children to get along and share with each other, and to use shaming as the primary control mechanism.

The father archetype is letting the children know that "dad" is in charge, exactly what the rules are, and that the rules will be physically enforced.

Mothers are good at controlling and nurturing small children, but once kids get past a certain age, especially boys, shaming and other social tactics just don't work anymore. They need a strong male force to keep them in line. In fact, I would argue that boys in particular want a strong dominant male figure to be in charge. Without that, they feel uncomfortable because they know something is not right.
54   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 12:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
The father archetype is letting the children know who is in charge, exactly what the rules are, and that the rules will be physically enforced.


The majority of these guys kill themselves before they get caught. What makes you think potential "deadly force" is a deterrent to them?
55   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 15, 12:31pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
What makes you think potential "deadly force" is a deterrent to them?


The way things are now, they go into it knowing that all guns are banned at the school, so the strong male force (the police and swat teams) is far enough away that they can kill, say 17 unarmed people before the jig is up.

If they go into it knowing they are going to be splattered within 30 seconds, the proposition is not nearly as attractive.
56   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Feb 15, 12:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Which is why all school children should be living the belt fed lifestyle by the time they're in kindergarten
57   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 15, 12:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

REAL FACTS FROM A LIBERAL

THERE IS ANOTHER MASSACRE EVERY DAY IN THE UNITED STATES

NO MASSACRE IN 30 YEARS HAS EVER BEEN PREVENTED BY ARMED CIVILIANS so cut the bullshit on arming everybody everywhere

FLORIDA HAS AMONG THE MOST PERMISSIVE GUN LAWS IN THE NATION, CONCEALED CARRY, AR-15s with big magazines, high capacity riot guns, bump fire etc etc etc

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I KNOW WE NEED ONE
58   dublin hillz   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 15, 12:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
The way things are now, they go into it knowing that all guns are banned at the school, so the strong male force (the police and swat teams) is far enough away that they can kill, say 17 unarmed people before the jig is up.

If they go into it knowing they are going to be splattered within 30 seconds, the proposition is not nearly as attractive.


I think most of the attackers don't expect to survive and go into it as a suicide mission like the Trench Coat Mafia, Virginia Tech student and vegas shooter. What happened yesterday was the exception rather than the norm - he actually tried to blend it with the students and make it out which didn't work for him. But about the "strong male force" being present, I don't think it will work - it may further incentivize the attackers so that they can show that they are the true "alpha."
59   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 15, 12:40pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Looks like the shooter had an hour and ten minutes without any armed resistance (2:40 to 3:50):

https://www.news4jax.com/news/timeline-how-the-school-shooting-in-south-florida-unfolded

You can't prevent wacko kids from getting guns. If they are determined, they will get them.

What you can do is make their shooting spree damn short. We could learn a lot from the Israelis about this kind of thing.
60   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 1:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
What you can do is make their shooting spree damn short. We could learn a lot from the Israelis about this kind of thing.


Swiss would be better.
61   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 1:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
If they go into it knowing they are going to be splattered within 30 seconds, the proposition is not nearly as attractive.


Urban cover, high capacity mag, target rich environment. 30 seconds? Psssshhhh.

Even if every teacher is an armed bad ass a "wacko kid" who gets access to a firearm can wipe out a classroom. That's typically 30 people, not 17. Is that death toll a good price for no gun regulation? (That's regardless all the credible studies saying that the "armed heroic defense" is pretty much a myth.)

Unless we are talking making every school as secure as a prison the "more guns" solution is just bullshit.
62   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 1:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That's regardless all the credible studies saying that the "armed heroic defense" is pretty much a myth.)

Do we really need a study? If the Armed Defenders were ever going to do anything, wouldn’t it have happened at least once by now?

All this gun shit has happened right alongside the militarization of police and the criminalization of the populace. More of the same will net us more of the same results
63   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 15, 1:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Looks like the shooter had an hour and ten minutes without any armed resistance (2:40 to 3:50):

https://www.news4jax.com/news/timeline-how-the-school-shooting-in-south-florida-unfolded

You can't prevent wacko kids from getting guns. If they are determined, they will get them.

What you can do is make their shooting spree damn short. We could learn a lot from the Israelis about this kind of thing.


That's true, there are plenty of incidents where armed citizens prevented mass shootings (question is by how much will any measure tip the numbers significantly if at all). The reality is that gun control will likely change nothing wrt the numbers (as you can get a gun everywhere like you can get drugs everywhere) but I also agree that you'd need much more security in schools to make them secure then. I'd focus on SSRIs, better cross-work of LEOs and schools etc. and much more security in the short-term. Maybe also overhaul checks on obtaining permits, esp. for semis.
64   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 2:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
NO MASSACRE IN 30 YEARS HAS EVER BEEN PREVENTED BY ARMED CIVILIANS so cut the bullshit on arming everybody everywhere


So miss-aligned and wrong:

https://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen/
65   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 15, 2:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_20a16 says
Urban cover, high capacity mag, target rich environment. 30 seconds? Psssshhhh.

Even if every teacher is an armed bad ass a "wacko kid" who gets access to a firearm can wipe out a classroom. That's typically 30 people, not 17. Is that death toll a good price for no gun regulation?


Such a failed narrative.

First, if one of these deranged shooters knew multiple teachers were CCW, or there were undercover LEOs, they won't go there.

Case in point, how many mass shootings have there been at police stations or gun ranges?
66   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 2:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
You can't prevent wacko kids from getting guns. If they are determined, they will get them.

What you can do is make their shooting spree damn short. We could learn a lot from the Israelis about this kind of thing.


Not really. How many armed guards were in the Las Vegas hotel?

How can you be sure that the shooter wouldn't make the armed guard his first victim?
67   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 2:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
The reality is that gun control will likely change nothing wrt the numbers (as you can get a gun everywhere like you can get drugs everywhere)


That's a problem gun control can address as well. Without the probability of sales, manufacturers would stop producing so many guns.
68   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 15, 2:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
If they go into it knowing they are going to be splattered within 30 seconds, the proposition is not nearly as attractive.


Perfect.

That's why most mass shootings take place at schools, shopping malls and theaters. The shooters know there won't be any resistance.
69   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 2:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
That's regardless all the credible studies saying that the "armed heroic defense" is pretty much a myth.)


A myth?

anon_c9d2b says
https://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen/


Please read.

The problem is, you won't hear about these situations on your favorite Liberal MSM channel. It goes against their narrative!
70   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 15, 2:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The following article claims that mass killings/shootings is a side effect of handing out anti-depressant drugs (SSRI drugs) like candy to everyone that says they are depressed or unhappy. This includes Prozac, Paxil and similar drugs. I wonder if there might be some truth to that claim.

Come to think of it, is it possible that many current societal ills are caused by anti-depressant medications? People, young and old, are dissatisfied with their lives. They take antidepressants to feel better, but does the medication also make many of them completely uncritical of themselves and their own actions? I could see this could lead to blaming everyone else for what is wrong, and then lead to rage and mass murder. It may also have the (milder) effect of people having a very high opinion of themselves and treat other people with little regard. Sort of a sociopathic effect caused by anti-depressants. And it does not just apply to men, in fact from what I see women have never been less critical of themselves than in current society.

How common is it to take anti-depressants? I personally know only one person that will admit to it, and he said he has since gotten off the meds but that it was difficult to quit. That's all the details I know. He seemed a bit hyper in 2016 -2017, but not sociopathic. He has always been a very decent man.

Here is the article:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232986
71   Booger   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 15, 2:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
The majority of these guys kill themselves before they get caught. What makes you think potential "deadly force" is a deterrent to them?


Should reduce the casualty count.
72   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 15, 3:14pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
mell says
The reality is that gun control will likely change nothing wrt the numbers (as you can get a gun everywhere like you can get drugs everywhere)


That's a problem gun control can address as well. Without the probability of sales, manufacturers would stop producing so many guns.


... and this is exactly what happened with drugs: since cocaine, morphine, meth, heroine, etc. have been outlawed nobody is manufacturing them anymore.... wait, what?
73   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 15, 3:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The Lesson From Today's School Shooting


Arm your kids, cuz the school administration isn't doing shit to stop these shooters.
74   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Feb 15, 3:47pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If a kid isn't packing RPG, he or she should not be allowed out of the house.
75   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 15, 3:57pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

justme says
Come to think of it, is it possible that many current societal ills are caused by anti-depressant medications? People, young and old, are dissatisfied with their lives. They take antidepressants to feel better, but does the medication also make many of them completely uncritical of themselves and their own actions? I could see this could lead to blaming everyone else for what is wrong, and then lead to rage and mass murder. It may also have the (milder) effect of people having a very high opinion of themselves and treat other people with little regard. Sort of a sociopathic effect caused by anti-depressants. And it does not just apply to men, in fact from what I see women have never been less critical of themselves than in current society.

How common is it to take anti-depressants? I personally know only one person that will admit to it, and he said he has since gotten off the meds but that it was difficult to quit. That's all the details I know. He seemed a bit hyper in 2016 -2...


This is already proven, not even a hypothesis anymore. SSRIs are known to cause homocidal and suicidal thoughts, esp. so with younger patients (< 25). If you know any of your friends taking them you can see that they initially take away the edge when heavily medicated but in the process cause heavy imbalances and eventually they lose their effectiveness and increase the condition, leading to manic depressive, homocidal and suicidal behavior. Yes you can observer that effect in women as well - while by nature less deadly - equally verbally and physically violent. Many of them do take these and they also make a good excuse for their shortcomings. If you have affected friends do not let them take SSRIs or let them get addicted to them.
76   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 3:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

justme says
How common is it to take anti-depressants?


One in 6 Americans Take Antidepressants, Other Psychiatric Drugs.

One in six Americans take some kind of psychiatric drugs — mostly antidepressants, researchers reported Monday.

They also found that twice as many white people take those drugs as do African-Americans or other minorities, and fewer than 5 percent of Asian-Americans do. And most people who take them are taking them long-term, Thomas Moore of the Institute for Safe Medication Practices in Alexandria, Virginia and colleagues found.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/one-6-americans-take-antidepressants-other-psychiatric-drugs-n695141
77   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 3:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
How many armed guards were in the Las Vegas hotel?


Don't know, please fill us in on the total count?
78   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 3:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
How can you be sure that the shooter wouldn't make the armed guard his first victim?


Liberal Logic at it's finest.

Yes, as well all know, these deranged shooters are well trained Navy SEALS and know exactly how to hunt down the armed guards.
79   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 15, 4:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
You can't prevent wacko kids from getting guns. If they are determined, they will get them.


You mean wacko American kids, right? Because I haven't heard of any Czech, Polish, or Swiss kids, for example, doing the same.

Seriously, what is the problem with this country - is it the people, is it the guns, or both? I say it is both.
80   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 15, 4:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_c9d2b says

anon_c9d2b says
https://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen/


Please read.

The problem is, you won't hear about these situations on your favorite Liberal MSM channel. It goes against their narrative!


Where are all the stories of people mistakenly shooting their families, neighbors, friends, the wrong people, themselves, etc.? You won't read it in american rifleman. It goes against their narrative.
82   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 5:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_aa28a says
Don't know, please fill us in on the total count?


They come in both armed and unarmed flavor at Mandalay bay. They are unionized. There are many-many of them.

1st casualty of the Vegas mass shooting was ... ding ding ... a guard ...
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation-updates/index.html
... and Paddock stopped shooting well before any armed opposition got near his room. He took his own life.

anon_aa28a says
Yes, as well all know, these deranged shooters are well trained Navy SEALS and know exactly how to hunt down the armed guards.


A gun on your hip doesn't block bullets. Mass shooters choose places where people meet in mass not places that are "gun free".

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/oregon-shooting-gun-laws-213222 https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/20/myth-of-the-hero-gunslinger/
83   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 15, 5:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Case in point, how many mass shootings have there been at police stations or gun ranges?


Or military bases, and armed forces work places ... OOOoops!

The presence of guns is not deterring anyone from committing shootings.
84   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 16, 7:59am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

When the Sheriff's Office has been called 39 times, you've been expelled from the school, you're in an alternative school for high risk kids, you've said you heard voices, the FBI knows about you, kids think you're a serial killer candidate and guess who the shooter was before it was on the news, and the huge campus had instrux not to allow in while wearing backpack...

... and it still happened despite overwhelming notice of past trouble and violence and worse to come...

Blame Guns.
85   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 16, 8:02am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_20a16 says
Sniper says
Case in point, how many mass shootings have there been at police stations or gun ranges?


Or military bases, and armed forces work places ... OOOoops!


Oops...in both of those locations, the people that were shot were unarmed.. guns weren't allowed

Those pesky FACTS again.

anon_20a16 says
The presence of guns is not deterring anyone from committing shootings.


That's why those locations you mentioned had shootings, the victims weren't armed....

Next...
86   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 16, 8:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_aa28a says
Yes, as well all know, these deranged shooters are well trained Navy SEALS and know exactly how to hunt down the armed guards.


You don't need to be a Navy Seal to take out Paul Blart.
87   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 16, 8:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
When the Sheriff's Office has been called 39 times, you've been expelled from the school, you're in an alternative school for high risk kids, you've said you heard voices, the FBI knows about you, kids think you're a serial killer candidate and guess who the shooter was before it was on the news, and the huge campus had instrux not to allow in while wearing backpack...

... and it still happened despite overwhelming notice of past trouble and violence and worse to come...

Blame Guns.


Are you suggesting that Americans are fucking morons?
88   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 16, 8:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_aa28a says
Yes, as well all know, these deranged shooters are well trained Navy SEALS and know exactly how to hunt down the armed guards.


I'm not sure you need to be a Navy Seal to take out Paul Blart.
89   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 16, 9:32am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
Are you suggesting that Americans are fucking morons?


The ones with mental illness are.
90   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 16, 9:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

The reason we have so many crazies that are running loose is because the ACLU and others sued like crazy in the 70s to free the mentally ill and changed the policies and the laws regarding forcible incarceration; now it's almost impossible to take a Cruz off the Street without them committing a violent crime first.
91   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 16, 9:37am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_20a16 says
anon_aa28a says
Don't know, please fill us in on the total count?


They come in both armed and unarmed flavor at Mandalay bay.


Do unarmed guards usually go head to head with gunman?

anon_20a16 says
1st casualty of the Vegas mass shooting was ... ding ding ... a guard ...


It's a good thing he was armed and was able to stop Paddock.

Oh wait, he wasn't armed... so sad.

anon_20a16 says
... and Paddock stopped shooting well before any armed opposition got near his room. He took his own life.


and you know that how? Were you there in the room with him?


anon_20a16 says
. Mass shooters choose places where people meet in mass not places that are "gun free".


Really, so San Bernardino, the Colorado theater, Sandy hook school, Las Vegas, Parkview school, the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Virginia Tech, Sutherland Springs Church, Ft. Hood, Columbine, Charleston Church, etc. all had plenty of people with guns on them when the shooter opened fire?

Please stop with your nonsense.
92   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 16, 9:38am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Where are all the stories of people mistakenly shooting their families, neighbors, friends, the wrong people, themselves, etc.? You won't read it in american rifleman. It goes against their narrative.


You can find those stories on 16 other Liberal news channels. Need some help finding them?
93   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 16, 10:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dawkins:

"There there, I do understand, taking away your guns is like taking away your Comfort Blanky. You’ll feel bereaved. Tell you what, though. We know how to deal with bereavement. We’ll send you our thoughts and prayers. Then you’ll feel better."
94   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 16, 10:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The FBI is incompetent. Warned weeks ago by a tip from somebody who found the kids' videos, looked into it, decided it was a threat, failed to notify local authorities or do any thing else.

Remember the FBI team that was sleeping when the Jihadi they were tracking went to the airport and left the country as they snoozed in their stake-out car?
95   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 16, 11:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The FBI is incompetent. Warned weeks ago by a tip from somebody who found the kids' videos, looked into it, decided it was a threat, failed to notify local authorities or do any thing else.


Wow--nothing like politicizing a mass school shooting. Let's make it about the evil FBI! Great idea!
96   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 16, 11:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The FBI is incompetent. Warned weeks ago by a tip from somebody who found the kids' videos, looked into it, decided it was a threat, failed to notify local authorities or do any thing else.


https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/fbi-failed-to-investigate-tip-on-school-shooter-last-month/
97   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 16, 11:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
Let's make it about the evil FBI! Great idea!


Yep, that evil FBI

Not following up on a credible threat. How dare we criticize them.

The blood of all those dead people is on the FBI's hands.
98   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 16, 3:41pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Hello, FBI, there's this crazy kid who is planning to shoot up a school, talking about he's gonna be a professional school shooter!"
"Fuck off, we're still working on trying to find evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion."
99   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 16, 6:20pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Blame Guns.


Absolutely, specially AR-15's, they should be totally banned.

Let's look at some facts:

There are approximately 5 million AR-15's in the country. Over the last 10 years, they have been used in 10 mass shootings.

So, that averages a AR-15 involved 1 out of 5,000,000 times a year in a mass shooting.

Hmmm, doesn't sound like a epidemic.

Let's look at cars:

There are approximately 268 million cars in the country. 40,000 people die in car accidents each year.

Hmmm, what's killing more people?

Why aren't Dems calling for a ban on cars yet?
102   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 17, 7:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The FBI is incompetent. Warned weeks ago by a tip from somebody who found the kids' videos, looked into it, decided it was a threat, failed to notify local authorities or do any thing else.

Remember the FBI team that was sleeping when the Jihadi they were tracking went to the airport and left the country as they snoozed in their stake-out car?


So which LEO are competent?

Once the Keep Brown Niggers South Wall is constructed, why would anyone think those who are tasked to man the wall will be more competent than the FBI types?
104   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 Feb 17, 5:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"That’s right. You’re not going to like it because it’s going to require you to do something personally, as opposed to shouting for the government, or anyone to “do something!”

Damnit! I'll do nothing. I would not want to see the end of the death & destruction of Republicans' & Democrats' families & friends. Great shooters take out anyone regardless of their victims' pretzel logic bubbles.
Is dedication is a virtue?

https://mystudentapt.com/2015/10/06/theres-a-way-to-stop-mass-shootings-and-you-wont-like-it/
Seven deadly sins: pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth.
No one ever includes: Be careful who you piss off or who others piss off. This could fall under "rage".
105   Booger   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 17, 5:59pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is a Family Guy reference:
107   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 19, 10:47am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Illegal aliens kill more Americans than school shootings.
108   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 19, 10:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says
Illegal aliens kill more Americans than school shootings.


Drunk drivers kill an order of magnitude more than both combined.

Where’s the outrage?
109   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 19, 11:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says
Illegal aliens kill more Americans than school shootings.


I think that is an irrelvant sweeping statement without any specifics or supporting documents. Read more below.

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-myths-crime-number-illegal-immigrants
Also this is about school shootings, killing our children, scarring rest of them and is on the rise in the last few decades. Why do you want to muddy the water with a separate topic. Please start a new topic on Illegal aliens crimes.
110   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 19, 12:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Drunk drivers kill an order of magnitude more than both combined.

zzyzzx says
Illegal aliens kill more Americans than school shootings.

Illegal Immigrants don't drive drunk?

We all know how militant the Mexican School System, Police and Government generally are about Drunk Driving.
111   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 19, 1:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tim Aurora says
Why do you want to muddy the water with a separate topic.


Because Liberals have a ONE track mind, and only want to blame the gun, and not all the other dots that connect the situation. It's the other dots that are the biggest issue, not the guns.

Why do the liberals ONLY focus on the AR-15's?

Pointing out the hypocrisy with other areas where people die in larger numbers but that just doesn't seem to matter to the Libbies.
113   BlueSardine   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 23, 8:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Make LEO requirements meet the same intellect level as college graduate with a BS in anything but liberal arts.
Then pay them accordingly, with a 50k-100k annual kicker added for risking their lives. (desk jockeys don't get this)
Most LEO requirements education wise are high school diploma or GED.
Bottom line: you get what you pay for...

Education Requirement
Most agencies expect officers to have a high school diploma or GED at a minimum. Some agencies require a bachelor’s degree or a minimum number of college credit hours. Others offer additional pay based on educational attainment. Regardless, education beyond high school will only help you in your law enforcement career. Having a four-year degree or an advanced degree is an asset in your career progression, particularly when seeking a promotion or specialized assignment.

errc says
So which LEO are competent?
114   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 23, 10:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
This is a Family Guy reference:

I think you took a leftist meme intended to be sarcastic, and ran with it without the sarcasm.
115   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 23, 10:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Education has nothing to do with cowardice.

Our soldiers are brave, yet our police are cowards. Because unions, and system rewarding doing the minimum under the radar.

BlueSardine says
Make LEO requirements meet the same intellect level as college graduate with a BS in anything but liberal arts.
Then pay them accordingly, with a 50k-100k annual kicker added for risking their lives. (desk jockeys don't get this)
Most LEO requirements education wise are high school diploma or GED.
Bottom line: you get what you pay for...

Education Requirement
Most agencies expect officers to have a high school diploma or GED at a minimum. Some agencies require a bachelor’s degree or a minimum number of college credit hours. Others offer additional pay based on educational attainment. Regardless, education beyond high school will only help you in your law enforcement career. Having a four-year degree or an advanced degree is an asset in your career progression, particularly when seeking a promotion or specialized assignment.

errc says
So which LEO are competent?
116   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 27, 2:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
... and it still happened despite overwhelming notice of past trouble and violence and worse to come...

Blame Guns.


Accused Florida School Shooter Refused Special Services.

PARKLAND (CBSMiami/AP) — Nikolas Cruz, the self-confessed Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooter refused to let the district continue providing him with mental health services after he turned 18 and the superintendent of schools says federal law kept them from doing anything about it.

Broward Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie tells the Sun Sentinel “You can’t make someone do something when the law says they have the right to make that determination.”

Cruz, now 19, is accused of killing 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Valentine’s Day.

Runcie says Cruz had attended a school with programs for emotionally and disabled students, and returned to Douglas in August 2016. By November, he says the “situation had deteriorated.” With the support of his mother, Cruz refused special needs services and remained at the school until February 2017.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/02/27/accused-florida-school-shooter-refused-special-services/
117   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 27, 3:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_cf6c6 says
says federal law kept them from doing anything about it.


Yep. Read all my recent posts where I complain about the Left changing forcible hospitalization laws because of a fictional movie character and an incorrect Scots Schizo theorist in a Moral Panic Fed by "Settled Science" that mental illness is best cured with freedom. Putting people who are a clear danger to themselves as well as mildly depressed people alike, let 'em all out! Fly my winged beauties! Fly to Freedom!

However, did federal law also keep LEOs or State/County agencies besides the school from doing something? Apparently Cruz called 911 begging for help which resulted in a LEO visit which resulted in nothing. And on February 5th a woman called the Authorities warning he was about to completely lose his shit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5433695/Florida-school-shooter-called-cops-mom-died.html

Suddenly, Nothing Happened.

Also his mother died just a few weeks before the shooting, when he apparently called begging for help.

If this was 1960, and a Sheriff's Deputy encountered Cruz, he's be off to...
118   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 27, 3:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BTW, now it's coming out that Sheriff Broward Coward told the LEOs on the scene under his department to not go into the school.
119   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 27, 3:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Authorities have acknowledged they underestimated many warning signs that Cruz was a deeply troubled kid. They were aware of his disturbing social media posts and social services visited his home several times.

There were dozens of calls to police with several people fearing he was capable of violence and murder.

On November 29 family friend Rocxanne Deschamps, who was looking after Cruz after his mother Lynda died in early November, told the dispatcher that Cruz already had about eight guns that he kept at a friend's house.

In the voice recording Deschamps can be heard telling police 'all he cares about is his gun,' reported the NY Times.

In another call to police she said 'It's not the first time he put a gun on somebody's head,' she also said that he once did that to his mother.

Deschamps has refused to comment and her lawyer has not responded to phone messages and emails.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5433695/Florida-school-shooter-called-cops-mom-died.html#ixzz58M5n6gyY
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It wasn't one warning, it was dozens, and it wasn't just the school authorities, but Law Enforcement as well.
120   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 27, 7:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
It wasn't one warning, it was dozens, and it wasn't just the school authorities, but Law Enforcement as well.


See, if we just passed one more "common sense gun law" (on top of the existing 20,000) or banned AR-15s, none of those past screw-ups by the cops or mental health professionals would have happened and all the 17 children would be alive. Never mind the TONS of red flags and warnings, they aren't important.

See how Liberal logic works?
121   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 27, 8:52pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_cf6c6 says
See how Liberal logic works?


124   komputodo   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 3, 1:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
See how Liberal logic works?


You forgot PARENTS FAILED.
125   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 3, 1:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Parents were dead, in fact the mother just died a few weeks before the shooting.

That kids was acting out, begging for help controlling himself, and even neghbors and people from the internet went out of their way to notify the authorities, and yet it still happened.
126   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 3, 2:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The Parents were dead, in fact the mother just died a few weeks before the shooting.

That kids was acting out, begging for help controlling himself, and even neghbors and people from the internet went out of their way to notify the authorities, and yet it still happened.


For those that have parents the dad needs to tune in once in a while with some tough and rough love and tell the kid that life's not fair and society is not responsible for your bad feewings. Suck it up, man up, go work out, go into nature, have fun, be a man, don't hide behind muh feewings and assault rifles Live, work out, hunt, fuck and be responsible for your own destiny. Don't blame society. Don't listen to the lefty soy-boy sirens, there is no privilege, only what you make out of your life and Zuul.
127   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 3, 4:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
TwoScoopsPlissken says
The Parents were dead, in fact the mother just died a few weeks before the shooting.

That kids was acting out, begging for help controlling himself, and even neghbors and people from the internet went out of their way to notify the authorities, and yet it still happened.


For those that have parents the dad needs to tune in once in a while with some tough and rough love and tell the kid that life's not fair and society is not responsible for your bad feewings. Suck it up, man up, go work out, go into nature, have fun, be a man, don't hide behind muh feewings and assault rifles Live, work out, hunt, fuck and be responsible for your own destiny. Don't blame society. Don't listen to the lefty soy-boy sirens, there is no privilege, only what you make out of your life and Zuul.


You forgot the most important thing. Don’t fall victim to the hucksters that run the Churches that they use to weaponize the simpletons they capture as vessels to destroy America

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