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The real culprit behind Florida school shooting

By Quigley following x   2018 Feb 19, 12:38pm 4,762 views   59 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/19/missing-fathers-and-americas-broken-boys-vast-majority-mass-shooters-come-from-broken-homes.html

“The subject of “The Desperate Cry of America’s Boys” is a difficult one. To point out that boys need their fathers is to shine a spotlight on divorce and single mothers; and that is, admittedly, uncomfortable. But there’s no way to address fatherlessness comfortably.

The fact is, divorce and family breakdown—which, to answer my emailer’s question, is the root of fatherlessness—is catastrophic for children. There’s more than one reason why, but an obvious one is that in the majority of cases, divorce separates children from their fathers.


This is destructive to both boys and girls, but each sex suffers differently. Girls who grow up deprived of their father are more likely to become depressed, more likely to self-harm, and more likely to be promiscuous. But they still have their mothers, with whom they clearly identify. Boys do not have a comparable identification and thus suffer more from father absence. They also tend to act out in a manner that’s harmful to others, which girls typically do not.

The root of fatherlessness rests in two things: our culture’s dismissal of men as valuable human beings who have something unique to offer; and its dismissal of marriage as an institution that’s crucial to the health and well-being of children.”

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20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 20, 4:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
Respondents to the poll feel mental illness plays a bigger part of the issue. Imagine that!


If we could only regulate mental illness, we can't so guess it's time to take the guns away, I mean really, what else can we do?
21   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 20, 4:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
Respondents to the poll feel mental illness plays a bigger part of the issue. Imagine that!


If we could only regulate mental illness, we can't so guess it's time to take the guns away, I mean really, what else can we do?
22   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 20, 7:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_30423 says
Sniper says
Respondents to the poll feel mental illness plays a bigger part of the issue. Imagine that!


If we could only regulate mental illness, we can't so guess it's time to take the guns away, I mean really, what else can we do?


Yes, take away those evil "assault" AR-15's from 4,999,998 law abiding citizens (since there are 5,000,000 in the country) because 2 wackos decided to use them to kill a group of people in a year.

Yep, that's Liberal Logic at it's finest!
23   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 20, 10:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

P N Dr Lo R says
"In 2016, when Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt were getting divorced, Jolie actually said it never crossed her that mind her son “Mad” would need a father."

All she had to do was ask Murphy Brown.

"In many instances, women are divorcing perfectly good husbands in their search for what they believe will be a better match—which is a natural outgrowth of no-fault divorce"

As 2020 approaches, it will be interesting to see how the number of observances of 50 year anniversaries of marriages consummated in 1970 compares with those of 1960 or 1955. I expect there will be many 60 and even 65 year celebrations of those lucky enough to still be alive in their late 80's and early 90's, but many fewer 50th anniversaries of those a decade younger from the year no-fault divorce was founded in addition to the counter cultural practice of shacking up instead of marriage took root in our society. Divorce exploded in the 1970's and the rest is history.


It's not just that, but the initial opinion piece came pretty close. These days kids grow up with the built-in assumption that every wrong will be righted. Any detected case of "bullying" - which is pretty often just kids being kids making fun of other kids without filters - immediately prompts a mandatory mea culpa plus full TV circuit with Dr. Phil if not lawsuits in some cases. Now, once the kids grow to become adults and interact with other near adults there are no "regulators" anymore and they suddenly may be on the receiving end of assholishness without somebody forcing the perpetrator to "rectify" their actions. Yes, in a free speech country you have the right to be an asshole and yes, life is not fair and never will be and more often than not you need to make lemonade out of lemons. That's a small price to pay to live free from Tyranny. Now these kids have never been told by anybody that life sucks sometimes and that you have to suck it up, that's part of being a man moreso than a woman. Fuck, there are people who have accidents or get sick and all your "injustice" is somebody made fun of you and now you need to get even with an AR-15 because no father figure in your life ever told you that you need to man up and suck it up. Just keep taking those SSRIs and have single mommy tell you you're the best. No more questions your honor.
24   Rin   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 21, 3:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Life is actually rather simple ... bang hoes, drink gin, and listen to Metallica.

Seriously, if guys simply followed RinWah Law, there would be no shooters, just happy go lucky men.

It's that women won't let men be free and thus, we have a matriarchal dysfunction.
25   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 5:24am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_30423 says
I mean really, what else can we do?


Stop feminizing education. Stop telling boys they are toxic. Stop telling white people they are racist. Stop feeding brain pills to kids too young to drink a beer. Stop pretending that being a single mother is a good idea. Defend schools w armed guards, better doors, cameras, etc... Stop conversing with the "you are either with us or against us" self-righteous attitude. Stop using child victims as political pawns.

... finally, throw out all semblance of PC culture, and actually discuss the problem.
26   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 5:25am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Rin says
It's that women won't let men be free and thus, we have a matriarchal dysfunction.


Its not just women (nor all women). It's also misguided beta cucks who are at fault.
27   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 7:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
anon_30423 says
I mean really, what else can we do?


Stop feminizing education. Stop telling boys they are toxic. Stop telling white people they are racist. Stop feeding brain pills to kids too young to drink a beer. Stop pretending that being a single mother is a good idea. Defend schools w armed guards, better doors, cameras, etc... Stop conversing with the "you are either with us or against us" self-righteous attitude. Stop using child victims as political pawns.

... finally, throw out all semblance of PC culture, and actually discuss the problem.


Agreed.
28   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 8:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says
Yep, that's Liberal Logic at it's finest!


We can't possibly go around and deport each and every illegal.
We can't possibly confiscate illegal drugs from every home!

But we can certainly confiscate every "Assault Rifle" from every home!
29   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 8:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
Maybe if the Government wasn’t wasting time enforcing 19th century Freedom Hating Halfwit Christian Cannabis Prohibition, and making enemies with their communities, this could have been avoided.


Maybe if the Government wasn't wasting it's time fabricating stories with retired MI5 agents that hookers got peed on, leaking, chatting, and collaborating with Journalists about the President Elect, and otherwise interfering inpolitics, an FBI heritage since the days of J Edgar Hoover, they could have stopped this kid, since they were tipped off at least once to a threat to shoot up a school with his full name in it

Dems, 1970-2016: "We can never allow another J Edgar Hoover to interfere in politics and shakedown elected officials."
Dems 2016: "Isn't it great the FBI is interfering in politics and shaking down elected officials with thousands of texts and emails between themselves?"
30   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
We can't possibly go around and deport each and every illegal.
We can't possibly confiscate illegal drugs from every home!

But we can certainly confiscate every "Assault Rifle" from every home!


More strawman arguments.

Making it even more obvious that the gun nut crowd has no desire to implement solutions.
31   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Dems, 1970-2016: "We can never allow another J Edgar Hoover to interfere in politics and shakedown elected officials."
Dems 2016: "Isn't it great the FBI is interfering in politics and shaking down elected officials?"


Republicans 2008-2016: We need to investigate, investigate, investigate. No amount of money or length of time is too much to waste investigating Clinton
Republicans: 2016- now: You've only gotten 20+ indictments in 8 months? Shut it down now. It's going nowhere and completely useless.
32   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Dems 2016: "Isn't it great the FBI is interfering in politics and shaking down elected officials with thousands of texts and emails between themselves?"


I see quotes but who actually said this? Nobody? That's what I thought.
33   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
But we can certainly confiscate every "Assault Rifle" from every home!


Who said this? Who is going to confiscate? If they become illegal then you won't want to be caught with 1 but no money should be wasted going house to house.
34   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 9:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says

Republicans 2008-2016: We need to investigate, investigate, investigate. No amount of money or length of time is too much to waste investigating Clinton
Republicans: 2016- now: You've only gotten 20+ indictments in 8 months? Shut it down now. It's going nowhere and completely useless.


I'm talking about the FBI. You're not. Furthermore, which one of those 20 indictments has Donald Trump's name on it?

Get an account and we'll discuss, two Anon-tags.
35   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 9:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cd337 says
Who said this? Who is going to confiscate? If they become illegal then you won't want to be caught with 1 but no money should be wasted going house to house.


So you're relying on Jamal Jackson of Baltimore to turn in his Tec9? Good luck with that.
36   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 10:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

What's behind shootings?
Index fingers.
37   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 12:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I'm talking about the FBI. You're not.


And further, the only candidate the FBI took down was Clinton. Comey reopening the investigation most certainly cost her enough votes to lose her the election. That is pretty well documented.
38   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 1:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says
Comey reopening the investigation most certainly cost her enough votes to lose her the election. That is pretty well documented.


No Joey, she was just a shitty candidate, if it wasn't for the polls stacking the deck, you would have seen she was always behind in the polls from day one. Comey had nothing to do with it.
39   Rin   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 21, 1:47pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
It's also misguided beta cucks who are at fault.


These are the idiots who believe that they must protect women's rights, as if women were barred from entering engineering colleges when in reality, only Asian & eastern European women want to study engineering, whereas the victim-ology crowd wants to dumb down the curricula.
40   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 2:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Rin says
These are the idiots who believe that they must protect women's rights, as if women were barred from entering engineering colleges when in reality, only Asian & eastern European women want to study engineering, whereas the victim-ology crowd wants to dumb down the curricula.


And only the first generation; successive ones only want to do Veterinary, Immigration Attorney, etc.
41   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 2:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says
No Joey, she was just a shitty candidate, if it wasn't for the polls stacking the deck, you would have seen she was always behind in the polls from day one. Comey had nothing to do with it.


She was a bad candidate, no doubt about it. And she should have been so far ahead that Comey's statement would have made no difference.

But, the fact is that the FBI helped Trump tremendously. Polls show it conclusively.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/corey-lewandowski-james-comey_us_582dd4f7e4b058ce7aa97d7c https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
42   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 2:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Comey was covering his ass as a long time bureaucrat. He knew Strzonk and McCabe tainted things (one of them rewrote the Comey Memo removing "Grossly negligent" and replacing it with "Careless" which is not a legal term) and by reopening the case, he brought himself an insurance policy of his own.

Hillary was already suspect in the minds of many long before the reopening of her gross and willful negligence in handling State Department emails.

Yet she was still "Leading the Polls!" and Obama was reminding Americans that when (not if) Trump lost, he shouldn't whinge about rigged elections. Then the Democrats lost and started whinging about rigged elections themselves.
43   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 2:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Yet she was still "Leading the Polls!" and Obama was reminding Americans that when (not if) Trump lost, he shouldn't whinge about rigged elections. Then the Democrats lost and started whinging about rigged elections themselves.


Once again, you try to tell us what Dems think or what Dems said. And once again, you are wrong.

The only person talking about "rigged" elections was Trump even after he won. Trump is the person who claimed to have won the popular vote. Trump is the one who claimed widespread voter fraud with no evidence. Trump is the one who pretended to start a voter fraud commission.

Clinton did none of those things and said nothing of a rigged election. Dems said only that Comey exhibited poor judgment and should not have written the letter so close to the election.
44   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 4:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says
Trump is the one who claimed widespread voter fraud with no evidence. Trump is the one who pretended to start a voter fraud commission.


The report is due in a few weeks.
45   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 21, 7:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_30423 says
Sniper says
Respondents to the poll feel mental illness plays a bigger part of the issue. Imagine that!


If we could only regulate mental illness, we can't so guess it's time to take the guns away, I mean really, what else can we do?


We have to keep AR-15's away from mentally ill people, for the same reason we keep broken glass away from a baby.
Either we figure out how to keep mentally ill people from getting their hands on these guns, or we completely ban the sale of most types of guns.
What will it be?
46   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Feb 21, 7:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says
But, the fact is that the FBI helped Trump tremendously. Polls show it conclusively.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/corey-lewandowski-james-comey_us_582dd4f7e4b058ce7aa97d7c https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/


Ahh geeze..

Using Huff Post and Nate Silver as references for polls....

The crazy, it never ends.
47   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 8:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says

The report is due in a few weeks.


I'm waiting with bated breath.
48   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 8:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_30423 says
If we could only regulate mental illness, we can't so guess it's time to take the guns away, I mean really, what else can we do?


You can't regulate mental illness? Why not?

Aren't there people around the mentally deranged that can see what's going on? That certainly was the case with the Florida shooter, but everyone who knew there were issues just ignored them, including law enforcement.

So your solution is to take the guns away from the other legal owners who don't have any issues?
49   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 21, 8:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says
You can't regulate mental illness? Why not?

Aren't there people around the mentally deranged that can see what's going on? That certainly was the case with the Florida shooter, but everyone who knew there were issues just ignored them, including law enforcement.

So your solution is to take the guns away from the other legal owners who don't have any issues?


What if gun sellers were required to access medical records. Criminal records, and felonies too. Guns should not be sold to any of these people.
50   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 8:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_8f378 says
Clinton did none of those things and said nothing of a rigged election. Dems said only that Comey exhibited poor judgment and should not have written the letter so close to the election.


Wait, what have been hearing for the past 14+ months?

"Wahhhh, Russia rigged the election"

This is the Democratic Majority Leader Today
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-election/democrats-want-300-million-to-fight-possible-russia-election-tampering-idUSKCN1G526N
Asking for $300 million dollars to fight Russian Election Tampering.

Here's Obama just before the Election:
"I don't even know where to start. Of Course, the elections will not be rigged. What does that even mean? .... If Mr. Trump is suggesting this conspiracy theory, which is being propagated..."

Gimme a break with the "Stop putting words in the Democrats' mouths" Take it up with Pelosi.
51   WildMind   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 21, 9:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Another major problem is state laws are all different for everything from gun sales to drugs to mental health laws. If you don’t standardize laws nationally... people can drive an hour outside their state and buy whatever they want and bring it back into their state. 40% of all guns in Chicago were purchased in Indiana.
52   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 10:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Russia rigged the election"


I believe the word dejuer is "influenced". Influence via $45k of FB ads is somehow considered treason, while $1.5 billion and a constant ass licking by CNN is just called the 5 o'clock news.
53   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 10:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says

What if gun sellers were required to access medical records


Every hear of HIPAA? Do you want every gun store clerk in the country knowing you're taking Viagra as they look through your records?

With that said, that question is one of the questions on the 4473. Go look at the form.

Strategist says
Criminal records, and felonies too. Guns should not be sold to any of these people.


They're not.

That information is in the FBI database when a 4473 is processed and the disqualifying information denies the purchase.

Please stop with this craziness and do some factual research.
54   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 22, 8:54am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Quigley says
The real culprit behind Florida school shooting


The real culprit?

THERE WAS NO ARMED SECURITY IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN.

Think of this:

There is armed security at NBA games.

There is armed security at NFL games.

There is armed security at MLB games

There is armed security at Jewelry stores.

There is armed security at Banks.

There is armed security at Airports.

There is armed security at major concerts and arenas.

There is armed security protecting Hollywood stars.

There is armed security protecting Politicians.

There is armed security at NASCAR tracks.

There is armed security at major Train stations.

BUT, There is NO armed security at Schools. The Liberals want schools to be Soft Targets, without any protection.

Can any Democrat of gun hater here explain why the lives of all those people I just listed are MORE important than the lives of CHILDREN?

Anyone?
55   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 22, 9:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says
THERE WAS NO ARMED SECURITY IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN.


You had a facility with 3100 students, plus at least a hundred or so faculty and staff.

Name me a campus/facility/industrial park/base/etc. with 3100+ personnel that doesn't have full time, dedicated security and at least a gatehouse guard, if not a guard at each building, and/or a cardswipe/badge reader.

People pooh pooh this because it's self-evident when you consider the size of the facility and total lack of just one full time security person whose job it is to control entry and egress. What good is a ban list if not a soul is there to prevent banned people from entering the complex?

"We don't want safe kids, we want a gun ban excuse."
56   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Feb 22, 9:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It wasn't a "Shooting" it was a Mass Homicide, the survivors weren't just shot, they were meant to be Killed.
Stop making perpetrators out of the innocent, lawful gun owners are the bad guys here, the Liberals that mis-categorize Crime Stats so they can get funding, or make their region look less crime riddled than it really is. To call Gang Violence a Mass Shooting is considered racist.
To Call a car bomber, or Floor kisser that drives over a parade crowd a Terrorist the bleeding heart Liberals jump up to their defense.
It's all Mass Homicide and they all deserve the chair, and a strong warning sent to what ever organization they profess to belong to.
That message should be "You're Next!".

Deflate and Defeat these Pinhead Lbieral idiots don't even provide them the fat to chew on. It's not a Mass Shooting it's a Mass Homicide.
57   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 22, 10:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anon_cf6c6 says
Can any Democrat of gun hater here explain why the lives of all those people I just listed are MORE important than the lives of CHILDREN?


Bueller?
58   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 22, 10:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
"We don't want safe kids, we want a gun ban excuse."


That's exactly what it is.

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