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The real culprit behind Florida school shooting

By Quigley following x   2018 Feb 19, 12:38pm 6,381 views   59 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/19/missing-fathers-and-americas-broken-boys-vast-majority-mass-shooters-come-from-broken-homes.html

“The subject of “The Desperate Cry of America’s Boys” is a difficult one. To point out that boys need their fathers is to shine a spotlight on divorce and single mothers; and that is, admittedly, uncomfortable. But there’s no way to address fatherlessness comfortably.

The fact is, divorce and family breakdown—which, to answer my emailer’s question, is the root of fatherlessness—is catastrophic for children. There’s more than one reason why, but an obvious one is that in the majority of cases, divorce separates children from their fathers.


This is destructive to both boys and girls, but each sex suffers differently. Girls who grow up deprived of their father are more likely to become depressed, more likely to self-harm, and more likely to be promiscuous. But they still have their mothers, with whom they clearly identify. Boys do not have a comparable identification and thus suffer more from father absence. They also tend to act out in a manner that’s harmful to others, which girls typically do not.

The root of fatherlessness rests in two things: our culture’s dismissal of men as valuable human beings who have something unique to offer; and its dismissal of marriage as an institution that’s crucial to the health and well-being of children.”

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1   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Feb 19, 1:09pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Quigley says
The fact is, divorce and family breakdown—which, to answer my emailer’s question, is the root of fatherlessness—is catastrophic for children. There’s more than one reason why, but an obvious one is that in the majority of cases, divorce separates children from their fathers.


Great article.

I can agree with it. Looking at all the friends my own kids associate with, in just about every case, the guys who came from broken families were usually the ones that had issues in different areas. In the majority of other cases, the friends who came from solid family based units, where both parents were involved, were the most stable.

Quigley says
Boys do not have a comparable identification and thus suffer more from father absence. They also tend to act out in a manner that’s harmful to others, which girls typically do not.


These boys were wandering around, like an accident searching for a collision.
2   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (34)   2018 Feb 19, 2:45pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Boys are FUCKING! GUYS! and therefore have no needs beyond FUCKING! MEAT! and FUCKING! CUNT!

All a boy needs to know is if they're killing their food and fucking to produce other guys to kill and fuck. If they don't get that, give them to the priests to fuck and cut up into sandwiches.
4   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 19, 10:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Nailed it.
5   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2018 Feb 19, 10:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

FOX didn't mention this.
How many broken Rep/Con homes with children?
Are the male trash paying child support?

It's getting too easy to make some look like fools.
6   Kakistocracy   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 20, 5:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Anyone informed the authorities of this startling revelation ?

Should be simple now, round up all the young adolescent males who come from a home where the parents are divorced and the problem goes away.

Anyone realize most of these young troubled males also went to public schools ?

Simple solution to problem two. Close the public schools and institute charter schools nationwide and the problem is gone for good never to return.

Combine the two and wizards at Fox news have solved one of the nation's most enduring problems. Wonder what they can do with the Opioid crisis.

Maybe looking into the mindset of someone might help....

He also notes that most perpetrators are young males who act alone after carefully planning the event. They often have a longstanding fascination with weapons and have collected large stores of them. The shootings usually occur in a public place and during the daytime.

Individual case studies involving psychological autopsy and a careful analysis of the often copious communications left behind suggest common psychological themes.

The mass murderer is an injustice collector who spends a great deal of time feeling resentful about real or imagined rejections and ruminating on past humiliations.

He has a paranoid worldview with chronic feelings of social persecution, envy, and grudge-holding. He is tormented by beliefs that privileged others are enjoying life’s all-you-can-eat buffet, while he must peer through the window, an outside loner always looking in.

Aggrieved and entitled, he longs for power and revenge to obliterate what he cannot have. Since satisfaction is unobtainable lawfully and realistically, the mass murderer is reduced to violent fantasy and pseudo-power.

He creates and enacts an odious screenplay of grandiose and public retribution. Like the child who upends the checkerboard when he does not like the way the game is going, he seeks to destroy others for apparent failures to recognize and meet his needs.

Fury, deep despair, and callous selfishness eventually crystalize into fantasies of violent revenge on a scale that will draw attention.

The mass murderer typically expects to die and frequently does in what amounts to a mass homicide-personal suicide. He may kill himself or script matters so that he will be killed by the police.

The frequency of mental disorders in mass murderers is controversial because it is not clear where to draw the line between "bad" and "mad."

The paranoia exists on a spectrum of severity. Some clearly do not meet criteria for any mental disorder and often may justify their acts on political or religious grounds. Others have the frank psychotic delusions of schizophrenia. Many perpetrators are in the middle, gray zone where psychiatrists will disagree about the relative contributions of moral failure versus mental affliction.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/saving-normal/201405/the-mind-the-mass-murderer
7   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 20, 7:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

why can't we forcibly hospitalize those who are clearly broadcasting major problems? What law do we need to pass or repeal?
8   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 20, 9:21am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"In 2016, when Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt were getting divorced, Jolie actually said it never crossed her that mind her son “Mad” would need a father."

All she had to do was ask Murphy Brown.

"In many instances, women are divorcing perfectly good husbands in their search for what they believe will be a better match—which is a natural outgrowth of no-fault divorce"

As 2020 approaches, it will be interesting to see how the number of observances of 50 year anniversaries of marriages consummated in 1970 compares with those of 1960 or 1955. I expect there will be many 60 and even 65 year celebrations of those lucky enough to still be alive in their late 80's and early 90's, but many fewer 50th anniversaries of those a decade younger from the year no-fault divorce was founded in addition to the counter cultural practice of shacking up instead of marriage took root in our society. Divorce exploded in the 1970's and the rest is history.
9   Kakistocracy   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 20, 10:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
why can't we forcibly hospitalize those who are clearly broadcasting major problems


In some states even a non-family member can get someone committed for 24-48 hours either because they are considered or displaying behaviors that can be considered a threat to themselves or others.

Where do you draw the line on what constitutes a major problem, who gets to make up the rules and how many loopholes will be available for the well connected.
10   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 20, 11:14am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
why can't we forcibly hospitalize those who are clearly broadcasting major problems? What law do we need to pass or repeal?


Ask Ronald Reagan or one of his supporters. Mental hospitals closed under his watch. Also that's when costs to take care of health started to explode. People in California can be held for 3 days or 2 weeks if they get 5150ed or 5250ed
11   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 20, 11:31am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_13ce6 says
Ask Ronald Reagan or one of his supporters. Mental hospitals closed under his watch
You can thank JFK for this turn of events when he signed his last piece of legislation on 10/31/63, the Community Mental Health Act. It was an effort to do penance for the lobotomy his father had performed on his mentally ill next younger sister Rosemary in 1941 and was the greatest shame to the Kennedy family according to Kate Larson, author of Rosemary: The Hidden Kennedy Daughter. It took the running of mental hospitals out of the hands of the states and turned it over to the federal government and we know how that always works out. It's ironic the word "Community" is in the name because community control has nothing to do with it. There were "snake pits" and "bedlams" for sure under the previous regime, but where were severely mentally ill people going to be better off, inside or outside of an asylum, a place of protection by definition? There were supposed to be community centers for the mentally ill to reside in and receive treatment and medication, but that never happened except for a few poorly run halfway houses. The courts did their part in the 70's by ruling that a person can't be admitted for observation against their will. Over the next 50 years our cities filled up with the mentally ill homeless and today the police are by default their first encounter with authority. It's estimated that today over 10% of jail populations are mentally ill when it was around 1% 50 years ago. The other ingredient that makes it even worse is the drug culture which came along in the late 60's and only exacerbates mental illness. Like the police have said over and over, they didn't sign up to be mental health experts, but apparently the desires of the larger public has placed that responsibility on them whether they wanted it or were prepared for it or not, for better or worse.
12   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 20, 12:47pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
Where do you draw the line on what constitutes a major problem, who gets to make up the rules and how many loopholes will be available for the well connected.


I think 39 visits by LEOs, multiple violent threats reported by multiple people, reports by total strangers promising school shootings on social media posts to the FBI, expulsion from public school for breaking windows and multiple violent freak outs, and bragging about torturing animals is more than enough for a LEO or School Admin to start the process.

The problem with the family members only is that they are biased to write off behaviors and dismiss multiple, severe behaviors as no big deal.

This Kid was signalling like the Great Lighthouse of Alexandria and 880 WCBS after 9PM and yet no controls were activated.

One of the reasons he was able to get a gun was that no public record mental health intervention was triggered, so there was nothing a background check would have found.
13   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 20, 12:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Snowden was right.

He said that the surveillance state will never catch anything because it casts far too wide a net. I’d hate to say we told you so, but we definitely fucking told you so

Those who would trade Liberty for the illusion of temporary security, deserve, and will have, neither.
14   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 20, 12:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This kid didn't need detection, he was like Formalhaut going Supernova. Nobody could or would get a forcible Mental Health process started.

Shit, the kid even made a school shooting threat under the usename "nikolas cruz" and the fuckup bureaucrat institution said they "Couldn't identify the poster based on the information". If only he posted his name AND social security number.
15   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 20, 1:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
This kid didn't need detection, he was like Formalhaut going Supernova. Nobody could or would get a forcible Mental Health process started.

Shit, the kid even made a school shooting threat under the usename "nikolas cruz" and the fuckup bureaucrat institution said they "Couldn't identify the poster based on the information". If only he posted his name AND social security number.


Maybe if the Government wasn’t wasting time enforcing 19th century Freedom Hating Halfwit Christian Cannabis Prohibition, and making enemies with their communities, this could have been avoided.
16   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Feb 20, 1:46pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Something's wrong here. WaPo conducted a poll yesterday and published results that go against the Liberal narrative that's it's the gun's fault for these shootings. How could they do that. Should we take their Dem party membership card away?






Respondents to the poll feel mental illness plays a bigger part of the issue. Imagine that!
17   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 20, 3:05pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Meanwhile the FBI former director Mueller is busy 30 million+ indicting a bunch of Russian online trolls who will never be extradited.
18   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 20, 3:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The problem with the family members only is that they are biased to write off behaviors and dismiss multiple, severe behaviors as no big deal.
Just watched a heartbreaking episode on Evil Lives here on the Investigation Discovery channel. Soap star Thom Bierdz's younger brother Troy began exhibiting dangerous signs of psychopathy from a very young age--torturing and killing young animals, smashing his older brother's toys, resistance to any kind of discipline. His mother couldn't handle him anymore so he went as a teenager to California to live with his brother for awhile until his behavior got out of control. He was locked out of the house so he went back home to Wisconsin where he continued to spiral down but his mother was helpless against him. He finally killed her with ball bat and is now spending life in prison.

http://crimefeed.com/2018/02/exclusive-video-interview-actor-painter-thom-bierdz-talks-about-when-his-brother-killed-their-mom/
19   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 20, 3:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

P N Dr Lo R says
He finally killed her with ball bat and is now spending life in prison.


If we only had background checks before someone could just walk into Dick's Sporting Goods and buy an "Assault Weapon" (baseball bat).
20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 20, 4:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Respondents to the poll feel mental illness plays a bigger part of the issue. Imagine that!


If we could only regulate mental illness, we can't so guess it's time to take the guns away, I mean really, what else can we do?
21   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 20, 4:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Respondents to the poll feel mental illness plays a bigger part of the issue. Imagine that!


If we could only regulate mental illness, we can't so guess it's time to take the guns away, I mean really, what else can we do?
22   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 20, 7:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_30423 says
Sniper says
Respondents to the poll feel mental illness plays a bigger part of the issue. Imagine that!


If we could only regulate mental illness, we can't so guess it's time to take the guns away, I mean really, what else can we do?


Yes, take away those evil "assault" AR-15's from 4,999,998 law abiding citizens (since there are 5,000,000 in the country) because 2 wackos decided to use them to kill a group of people in a year.

Yep, that's Liberal Logic at it's finest!
23   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 20, 10:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

P N Dr Lo R says
"In 2016, when Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt were getting divorced, Jolie actually said it never crossed her that mind her son “Mad” would need a father."

All she had to do was ask Murphy Brown.

"In many instances, women are divorcing perfectly good husbands in their search for what they believe will be a better match—which is a natural outgrowth of no-fault divorce"

As 2020 approaches, it will be interesting to see how the number of observances of 50 year anniversaries of marriages consummated in 1970 compares with those of 1960 or 1955. I expect there will be many 60 and even 65 year celebrations of those lucky enough to still be alive in their late 80's and early 90's, but many fewer 50th anniversaries of those a decade younger from the year no-fault divorce was founded in addition to the counter cultural practice of shacking up instead of marriage took root in our society. Divorce exploded in the 1970's and the rest is history.


It's not just that, but the initial opinion piece came pretty close. These days kids grow up with the built-in assumption that every wrong will be righted. Any detected case of "bullying" - which is pretty often just kids being kids making fun of other kids without filters - immediately prompts a mandatory mea culpa plus full TV circuit with Dr. Phil if not lawsuits in some cases. Now, once the kids grow to become adults and interact with other near adults there are no "regulators" anymore and they suddenly may be on the receiving end of assholishness without somebody forcing the perpetrator to "rectify" their actions. Yes, in a free speech country you have the right to be an asshole and yes, life is not fair and never will be and more often than not you need to make lemonade out of lemons. That's a small price to pay to live free from Tyranny. Now these kids have never been told by anybody that life sucks sometimes and that you have to suck it up, that's part of being a man moreso than a woman. Fuck, there are people who have accidents or get sick and all your "injustice" is somebody made fun of you and now you need to get even with an AR-15 because no father figure in your life ever told you that you need to man up and suck it up. Just keep taking those SSRIs and have single mommy tell you you're the best. No more questions your honor.
24   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Feb 21, 3:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Life is actually rather simple ... bang hoes, drink gin, and listen to Metallica.

Seriously, if guys simply followed RinWah Law, there would be no shooters, just happy go lucky men.

It's that women won't let men be free and thus, we have a matriarchal dysfunction.
25   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 5:24am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_30423 says
I mean really, what else can we do?


Stop feminizing education. Stop telling boys they are toxic. Stop telling white people they are racist. Stop feeding brain pills to kids too young to drink a beer. Stop pretending that being a single mother is a good idea. Defend schools w armed guards, better doors, cameras, etc... Stop conversing with the "you are either with us or against us" self-righteous attitude. Stop using child victims as political pawns.

... finally, throw out all semblance of PC culture, and actually discuss the problem.
26   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 5:25am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
It's that women won't let men be free and thus, we have a matriarchal dysfunction.


Its not just women (nor all women). It's also misguided beta cucks who are at fault.
27   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 21, 7:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
anon_30423 says
I mean really, what else can we do?


Stop feminizing education. Stop telling boys they are toxic. Stop telling white people they are racist. Stop feeding brain pills to kids too young to drink a beer. Stop pretending that being a single mother is a good idea. Defend schools w armed guards, better doors, cameras, etc... Stop conversing with the "you are either with us or against us" self-righteous attitude. Stop using child victims as political pawns.

... finally, throw out all semblance of PC culture, and actually discuss the problem.


Agreed.
28   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 21, 8:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_cf6c6 says
Yep, that's Liberal Logic at it's finest!


We can't possibly go around and deport each and every illegal.
We can't possibly confiscate illegal drugs from every home!

But we can certainly confiscate every "Assault Rifle" from every home!
29   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 21, 8:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Maybe if the Government wasn’t wasting time enforcing 19th century Freedom Hating Halfwit Christian Cannabis Prohibition, and making enemies with their communities, this could have been avoided.


Maybe if the Government wasn't wasting it's time fabricating stories with retired MI5 agents that hookers got peed on, leaking, chatting, and collaborating with Journalists about the President Elect, and otherwise interfering inpolitics, an FBI heritage since the days of J Edgar Hoover, they could have stopped this kid, since they were tipped off at least once to a threat to shoot up a school with his full name in it

Dems, 1970-2016: "We can never allow another J Edgar Hoover to interfere in politics and shakedown elected officials."
Dems 2016: "Isn't it great the FBI is interfering in politics and shaking down elected officials with thousands of texts and emails between themselves?"
30   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
We can't possibly go around and deport each and every illegal.
We can't possibly confiscate illegal drugs from every home!

But we can certainly confiscate every "Assault Rifle" from every home!


More strawman arguments.

Making it even more obvious that the gun nut crowd has no desire to implement solutions.
31   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Dems, 1970-2016: "We can never allow another J Edgar Hoover to interfere in politics and shakedown elected officials."
Dems 2016: "Isn't it great the FBI is interfering in politics and shaking down elected officials?"


Republicans 2008-2016: We need to investigate, investigate, investigate. No amount of money or length of time is too much to waste investigating Clinton
Republicans: 2016- now: You've only gotten 20+ indictments in 8 months? Shut it down now. It's going nowhere and completely useless.
32   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Dems 2016: "Isn't it great the FBI is interfering in politics and shaking down elected officials with thousands of texts and emails between themselves?"


I see quotes but who actually said this? Nobody? That's what I thought.
33   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 9:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
But we can certainly confiscate every "Assault Rifle" from every home!


Who said this? Who is going to confiscate? If they become illegal then you won't want to be caught with 1 but no money should be wasted going house to house.
34   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 21, 9:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says

Republicans 2008-2016: We need to investigate, investigate, investigate. No amount of money or length of time is too much to waste investigating Clinton
Republicans: 2016- now: You've only gotten 20+ indictments in 8 months? Shut it down now. It's going nowhere and completely useless.


I'm talking about the FBI. You're not. Furthermore, which one of those 20 indictments has Donald Trump's name on it?

Get an account and we'll discuss, two Anon-tags.
35   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 21, 9:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_cd337 says
Who said this? Who is going to confiscate? If they become illegal then you won't want to be caught with 1 but no money should be wasted going house to house.


So you're relying on Jamal Jackson of Baltimore to turn in his Tec9? Good luck with that.
36   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 10:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What's behind shootings?
Index fingers.
37   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 12:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I'm talking about the FBI. You're not.


And further, the only candidate the FBI took down was Clinton. Comey reopening the investigation most certainly cost her enough votes to lose her the election. That is pretty well documented.
38   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 21, 1:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_8f378 says
Comey reopening the investigation most certainly cost her enough votes to lose her the election. That is pretty well documented.


No Joey, she was just a shitty candidate, if it wasn't for the polls stacking the deck, you would have seen she was always behind in the polls from day one. Comey had nothing to do with it.
39   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Feb 21, 1:47pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
It's also misguided beta cucks who are at fault.


These are the idiots who believe that they must protect women's rights, as if women were barred from entering engineering colleges when in reality, only Asian & eastern European women want to study engineering, whereas the victim-ology crowd wants to dumb down the curricula.
40   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 21, 2:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
These are the idiots who believe that they must protect women's rights, as if women were barred from entering engineering colleges when in reality, only Asian & eastern European women want to study engineering, whereas the victim-ology crowd wants to dumb down the curricula.


And only the first generation; successive ones only want to do Veterinary, Immigration Attorney, etc.

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