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School guard cowarded out when shooting was happening.

By FortWayne following x   2018 Feb 23, 8:20am 12,422 views   102 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/23/trump-calls-parkland-deputy-who-failed-stop-school-shooting-coward/366520002/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/23/police-officers-guard-home-deputy-assigned-to-florida-hs-who-never-went-in-during-shooting-report.html
Sat outside hiding behind some wall, avoiding doing what he signed up for. Coward.

Here's your typical government employee. Does minimum, avoids any work, waiting for their extravagant pension to kick in so they don't have to do any work even. Fricken worthless pieces of crap.

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23   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 9:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
mell says
Have to agree with this. It can be a tough job but you signed up for it with all its perks and responsibilities, and the union protects this guy? Also it changes the lamestream media's story quite dramatically yet they are ignoring it again. KD rages here:


I see both sides, one that he was cowardly but two, when there have been multiple LEOs responding (UVa, Columbine), they've often lollygagged outside the building(s) for much longer than 4 minutes during an active shooting.

I don't want the Sheriff to throw this guy under the bus and get himself and his department off scot free, and there's a reason not to charge into a building with an active shooter and you don't know where he is or even what he looks like, on the other hand this was a time-critical situation.


Agreed, but that's why they're right now protecting him so that he can not turn on them. Wrt active situation, after he made the appropriate calls for backup he should have gone in, being the only one armed, no matter whether it had already come to an end or not.
24   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 23, 10:06am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Also it changes the lamestream media's story quite dramatically yet they are ignoring it again. KD rages here:


KD was spot on, but I doubt you'll hear that discussed on CNN or MSNBC today.
25   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 23, 10:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I don't want the Sheriff to throw this guy under the bus and get himself and his department off scot free, and there's a reason not to charge into a building with an active shooter and you don't know where he is or even what he looks like, on the other hand this was a time-critical situation.


In the wake of these shootings the last few years, the situation has changed along with rules of engagement. Seconds count.

A LEO shouldn't be put in the position to protect these kids if he's incapable of instantly responding and living up to the slogan "Protect and Serve".

If a LEO agrees to go on duty in a school today, he should know specifically what he needs to do, hanging back for multiple minutes "assessing" the situation isn't the plan.

If a cop is looking to ride out time waiting for retirement, a school isn't the place for him. Send him out writing parking tickets.
26   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 23, 10:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
If a cop is looking to ride out time waiting for retirement, a school isn't the place for him. Send him out writing parking tickets.


Read the LastRefuge tweetthread I posted. It talks about SROs.
27   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 10:21am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Do you really want a guy whose main job is intimidating children with his pot belly flinging lead around a combat zone full of children, especially with a hand gun? Not to mention the sheer confusion of the situation.

I spend time in an area where firecracker assholes are common. The firecrackers sound like gunfire, and you can reliably seldom tell where they are coming from. If they were live rounds, and you went by sound, you probably would wind up in the wrong spot and the damage would have been done somewhere else, anyway.

Unless this guy had a clear line of sight at an obvious shooter by accident, it was probably better for everybody that he just stay out of the way and let the rest of the goons handle it.
28   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 10:51am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
Do you really want a guy whose main job is intimidating children with his pot belly flinging lead around a combat zone full of children, especially with a hand gun? Not to mention the sheer confusion of the situation.

I spend time in an area where firecracker assholes are common. The firecrackers sound like gunfire, and you can reliably seldom tell where they are coming from. If they were live rounds, and you went by sound, you probably would wind up in the wrong spot and the damage would have been done somewhere else, anyway.

Unless this guy had a clear line of sight at an obvious shooter by accident, it was probably better for everybody that he just stay out of the way and let the rest of the goons handle it.


Yeah but then he wasn't fit for the job and shouldn't have been in this job in the first place. Get a thoroughly trained guy without potbelly, pay a little extra - it's worth it.
29   BayArea   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 23, 10:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?
30   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 23, 11:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
Unless this guy had a clear line of sight at an obvious shooter by accident, it was probably better for everybody that he just stay out of the way and let the rest of the goons handle it.


Ok, but how can you get a line of sight and determine what's going on if you refuse to investigate?
31   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 23, 11:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Yeah but then he wasn't fit for the job and shouldn't have been in this job in the first place. Get a thoroughly trained guy without potbelly, pay a little extra - it's worth it.


Most of the guys don't have a potbelly when they're hired....
32   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 23, 11:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
What percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?


It's a more common situation than you think. A regularly practicing individual with a Pistol, at close ranges, does surprisingly well against a thug or two with a semiautomatic rifle and only a few trips to the range.

Didn't save the article, but a Texas Cop defeated two thugs with both body armor and rifles with his pistol.
33   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 23, 11:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
What percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?


75%+, maybe more, (that is if they're there to take the job seriously).

You think a security guy with tactical training won't take on a snot nosed random kid with a AR?
34   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 12:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Didn't save the article, but a Texas Cop defeated two thugs with both body armor and rifles with his pistol.

Perhaps this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack
35   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 23, 12:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
It's a more common situation than you think. A regularly practicing individual with a Pistol, at close ranges, does surprisingly well against a thug or two with a semiautomatic rifle and only a few trips to the range.


There you go.

People want to be Monday morning armchair quarterbacks without actual experience and knowledge of a subject.

TwoScoopsPlissken says
but a Texas Cop defeated two thugs with both body armor and rifles with his pistol.


Most cops have pretty good training, and if they had military experience before, react and perform even better in those situations. They don't have to "think", it becomes instinct.
36   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Feb 23, 12:20pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Why anyone would want to carry a heavy gun when we have police to protect us all?"
38   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 Feb 23, 12:31pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
What percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?


At "hallway distances" the rifle loses almost all of it advantages. So nothing wrong with engaging the rifle wielding fuck using a glock (and proper tactics like using cover and such).
39   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 23, 12:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It is what you get a pension for-or is it for grandma with cancer on munchies?
40   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 23, 12:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
"Why anyone would want to carry a heavy gun when we have police to protect us all?"


When seconds count, police are only minutes away.
41   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 23, 12:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
BayArea says
What percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?


At "hallway distances" the rifle loses almost all of it advantages. So nothing wrong with engaging the rifle wielding fuck using a glock (and proper tactics like using cover and such).


Exactly. A Glock 19 in the hands of a trained LEO is a lot better than a half-assed kid with a AR in that situation.
42   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 23, 1:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
"Why anyone would want to carry a heavy gun when we have police to protect us all?"


"Give up your guns and depend on the racist, corrupt cops to save you."
43   BlueSardine   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 23, 1:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Every job classification has it's chargers and slackers. Cop jobs are no different.
why is anyone surprised that a slacker happened to be in this position this time?
When everybody gets a trophy, whether they performed or not, this is what you wind up with.
People schooled from birth that performance means nothing...so why take on risk?
44   BayArea   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 23, 1:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
BayArea says
What percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?


75%+, maybe more, (that is if they're there to take the job seriously).

You think a security guy with tactical training won't take on a snot nosed random kid with a AR?


Ya, if they have a shot, they take it. Do they step into a hallway with a kid firing an AR? No, most won’t. I could be wrong but that’s my guess.
45   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 Feb 23, 2:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

My comment from another thread.

Just heard,in the field a police officer misses 70 to 80% of the time when they discharge their firearm.
I'll research this.
If true,Trump & his voters/ supporters are idiots.
When LEOs bullets miss the target their bullets immediately fall to the ground.

~330,000,000? arms, "It can't happen to me!"

Fuck everyone that has a negative comment about the Deputy not entering the school.
Some voted for & those that didn't vote for trump have a 5 time DRAFT DODGING COWARD! COWARD! COWARD! President.
So FUCK YOU!
My bride:
"He set the Precedent for COWARDICE."

Pointing out hypocritical retarded ignorance is my bliss.

What chu got? Nothing!
Even retards have something now & then.
46   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 23, 3:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
Ya, if they have a shot, they take it. Do they step into a hallway with a kid firing an AR? No, most won’t. I could be wrong but that’s my guess.


With all the screaming and running of the kids in the hall, do you really think the shooter would even see the cop in that mayhem? In that situation, the cop would definitely have the advantage.
47   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 3:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That freedom/liberty argument is bs. You can have all these measures and still have a free society. You don't need to go to the nightclub or airport or school if you don't like metal detectors and armed guards. Just stay on your ranch and homeschool your kids with or without guns, up to you. Nobody has the right to go to a nightclub or school/university and at the same time be as free as they want to be. I'd rather see free speech and metal detectors / security guards on Universities than no security and free speech restrictions. Batshit crazy leftoid world today where snowflakes have to be protected from "offensive speech" but a shooter can just go in and take out a whole gun-free zone because leftism.
49   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 3:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
If this gun thing for your own safety is such a rip roaring good thing for school children etc. - then why are there 5 Places Hypocritical Republicans Ban Guns for Their Own Personal Safety ?

1. The White House

Along with making Mexico pay billions for a wall it opposed and never taking a golfing vacation, Trump promised on the campaign trail to legislate a future in which guns could legally be brought into every kindergarten classroom and nursery. “My first day, it gets signed, okay? My first day,” Trump told supporters in Vermont in 2016. “There’s no more gun-free zones.”

While it’s true no president could unilaterally scrap federal law, it’s also true that Trump’s complicit Republican Congress would probably greenlight any pro-gun horrorshow he could dream up. Yet, in the year since he took office, Trump has not spoken out once—even via his digital bullhorn at Twitter—against the anti-freedom gun ban at the White House. What better way for this president to sign...


Again, you can ban guns for the visitors except for armed guards. Yes, it restricts freedom for the visitors, but you don't need to visit the WH or Mar-a-lago if you don't like it. Done, Next.
50   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2018 Feb 23, 3:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Trump & Wayne La Pierre could have stopped the shooter in his tracks before he could have raised the gun to fire.

I don't have to hope for another mass shooting,shit happens,more Republicans will be injured & killed in the next shooting.

Hey shooters!Places you may want to visit.
Thanks Trump for bringing up GFZs .
https://www.alternet.org/right-wing/5-places-hypocritical-republicans-ban-guns-their-own-personal-safety
51   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 4:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
mell says
Done, Next.


Not done - if this country has been reduced to having armed security at every venue, private and public school, university, church, shopping center, what have you - and the public accepts it because "nothing can be done about the problem" - we are no better than any Third World Nation in addition to slowly and surely losing just a bit more freedom each and every day "because nothing can be done about the problem" instead of demanding that heads roll in the streets (literally if necessary) to get something done about the problem.


As long as you don't address the root causes of those problems, or accept to live with the casualties and more freedom (which is viable as well) these are your only choices. To pretend that gun control will change these numbers significantly is disingenuous and robbing people of freedoms on their personal properties, far worse than a control at the airport or nightclub. Next.
52   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 23, 4:40pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The root cause is the moral panic that destroyed the huge Mental Health Network we used to have to house and care for the Mentally Ill.

That there are people today who haven't figured out that most homeless are seriously mentally ill and cannot be relied upon to dose themselves, even if we give them free meds, except with alcoholic and drugs. And mere drugs aren't the end all of treatment, and that whatever cocktail of drugs initially prescribed is seldom the correct one. "Stay a few weeks and Release" is not the answer. Nor are slumlord half-way homes.

Lobotomies are no longer done, Schizophrenia mostly has Genetic Origin, and Nurse Ratched is a fictional character. Re-Open Kings Park and repeal the Lanterman-Petris-Short
in California and other State Laws Modelled on that terrible mistake.

Schizophrenia isn't "Bad social dynamics in the Family" it's genetic, aggravated by certain situations such as severe infant fevers. That idea is from a book that came out before the DNA revolution in the 70s, before Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Band in the age of the Dinosaurs.

Society isn't Crazy, Crazy Homeless People are Crazy.

Protect the Crazy People, and occasionally, Society from Crazies. Had we those "Evil" pre 60s/70s mental health laws, Cruz and ALL his victims would be alive today. Cruz might even be a functional person rather than a tortured soul to boot.
53   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 4:48pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The root cause is the moral panic that destroyed the huge Mental Health Network we used to have to house and care for the Mentally Ill.

That there are people today who haven't figured out that most homeless are seriously mentally ill and cannot be relied upon to dose themselves, even if we give them free meds, except with alcoholic and drugs. And mere drugs aren't the end all of treatment, and that whatever cocktail of drugs initially prescribed is seldom the correct one. "Stay a few weeks and Release" is not the answer. Nor are slumlord half-way homes.

Lobotomies are no longer done, Schizophrenia mostly has Genetic Origin, and Nurse Ratched is a fictional character. Re-Open Kings Park and repeal the Lanterman-Petris-Short
in California and other State Laws Modelled on that terrible mistake.

Schizophrenia isn't "Bad social dynamics in the Family" it's genetic, aggravated by certain situations such as severe infant fevers. That idea is from a book that came ...


Right into the bulls eye. Plus kids are treated like snowflakes without rough fatherly influence, everybody is a winner - until the day comes where nobody protects them from assholes, bosses, gold-diggers etc. Then they are on their own and every setback is of course society's fault in their eyes. Time go on SSRIs and then take revenge when those don't work anymore. We don't have any crazy people anymore by decree, Autism (esp. severe) is celebrated! YAY autism, because having no empathy for others and being an emotionless psychopath is AWESOM-O. Look how great it worked with Marissa Mayer as a boss taking away WFH parental care options while building herself a gigantic crib at work! It's a feature, not a bug! Everyone is great and doesn't need judgemental assholes.. until they go on a rampage, then it's the weapon of choice's fault! Good job.
54   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 23, 5:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, sir.

But too many still say, James Holmes isn't crazy, society is crazy.



Imagine a Sheriff or School Nurse or Public Official not committing this guy in 1955.

"Don't commit crazy people who make psychotic violent threats and shoot people's animals while posting about becoming Pro School Shooters! It's inhumane! Muh Civil Liberties! Nurse Ratched is Real!"

Seriously, we actually have to have a debate as to whether an ancient civil liberty expressly placed into the Bill of Rights should be repealed, or whether we should reopen mental health facilities and create a pathway for forced hospitalization that lasts long enough to effect some kind of solution (ie not 72 hours and a 14-day supply of Clonezapam).

I think 39 visits by LEOs plus multiple school outbursts bad enough to result in expulsion to an 'at-risk' school, on top of reporting of threats by multiple peers, neighbors, and total strangers seeing his bizarre violent posts on the internet was kind of an little bit of an indicator that maybe kinda sorta we need to take a little bit of action here.
55   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 5:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
mell says
I'd rather see free speech and metal detectors / security guards on Universities than no security and free speech restrictions


“I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag.”

Me too. How is guarding public venues more unconstitutional than taking away the basic rights to own guns? It isn't.
56   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 6:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
mell says
How is guarding public venues more unconstitutional than taking away the basic rights to own guns?


Your right to bear arms may interfere with my right to live in a country free from armed security at every turn of the corner, but please - do so answer the question.

"Accept the casualties, live in a police state with armed guards at every turn and have more freedom" ?

I'm pressed for time right now but I can check back later. Hopping from foot to foot in anticipation of this one.


Clearly taking away guns from people everywhere is the bigger intrusion. It is not at every turn of the corner, just at mass gatherings which unfortunately are targets. I don't mind walking through security in public buildings, why do you mind? As long as I can have privacy in my home and remote nature it's all good.
57   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 23, 6:39pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
mell says
without rough fatherly influence


How does that work then when someone turns into a looney tunes and shoots up everything insight and we find out he had one of those hero type rough fathers who used to put the fear of god and every other known entity in the kid ?


Great.

Please point out which one of the past mass murders had a father like that in his life at the time of the shooting.

We'll be waiting.
58   DryMap   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 23, 8:20pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Clearly taking away guns from people everywhere is the bigger intrusion.


I have lived in or visited for prolonged periods of time (months) many countries - Canada, EU (both west and east), Japan. Among all these countries, the US is the least safe and people have the least personal freedoms. Taking away your guns is your least problem.
59   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 23, 9:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DryMap says
mell says
Clearly taking away guns from people everywhere is the bigger intrusion.


I have lived in or visited for prolonged periods of time (months) many countries - Canada, EU (both west and east), Japan. Among all these countries, the US is the least safe and people have the least personal freedoms. Taking away your guns is your least problem.


Actually I have lived in the EU as well and your observation seems quite biased. Wrt free speech the US beats the EU hands down where you can get prosecuted for free speech quite easily, same for Canada. Also safety in the US depends heavily on the state, city and hood, same for Europe. No difference really,
60   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 24, 4:40am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

One only needs to check the size of the prizon population and the number of police killings to know which country is a police country. And unsafe.
61   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (36)   2018 Feb 24, 7:17am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

None of these so called FREE!dom indexes measure access to ordnance. In the states, someone somewhere will sell you belt-fed guns to ensure no one fucks with your rights to personal security and mayhem making.
62   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 24, 8:30am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That’s actually very accurate

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
None of these so called FREE!dom indexes measure access to ordnance. In the states, someone somewhere will sell you belt-fed guns to ensure no one fucks with your rights to personal security and mayhem making.
63   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 24, 8:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
One only needs to check the size of the prizon population and the number of police killings to know which country is a police country. And unsafe.


One of the main reasons for high incarceration rates are the drug laws. Surely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe (esp. publicly) in drugs (alcohol, cigarettes, MJ etc.) or drive with an open can of beer in your cup-holder then the US - a nation founded by puritans - is certainly more restrictive. This is going to change significantly though as MJ becomes legal and we will see incarceration rates go down.
64   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Feb 24, 8:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jvolstad says
I would have taken out that shooter. Good target practice.



(I am in the upper left-hand corner)


No mustache like Goose in bottom right corner?

I'm simultaneously proud and disappointed in you.
65   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 24, 10:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Update: it is now FOUR (4) Broward County Deputies that hung out while the shooting was in Progress.

Let's celebrate instead the Coral Springs Police who got 130 officers to the scene within minutes, probably every last cop they had, and stormed the place.
66   DryMap   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 24, 10:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Surely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe


Surely that is not all.
Those conditioned to live like Americans (for whom the default assumption is that whatever they may wish to do is not allowed) will not get it.
67   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 24, 7:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
anon_cf6c6 says
Please point out which one of the past mass murders had a father like that in his life at the time of the shooting.

We'll be waiting.


Protocol and social etiquette prevents me from answering until I have let other questions previously asked and ignored get answered.


Translation: I got nothing to support the fake liberal narrative and lies being promoted.
68   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 24, 9:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Did certain "powers that be" turn a blind eye to this massacre knowing the political implications (i.e., gun control) of such an outcome?
69   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 24, 10:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DryMap says
mell says
Surely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe


Surely that is not all.
Those conditioned to live like Americans (for whom the default assumption is that whatever they may wish to do is not allowed) will not get it.


In the end it is a bit subjective but I definitely feel like I have more freedom in the US than in the EU, even with the imbibing restrictions. However if we let extreme leftism / cultural-marxism / feminism continue to poison this country this may change at some future tipping-point (esp. for straight white males).
70   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 1:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DryMap says
mell says
Surely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe


Surely that is not all.
Those conditioned to live like Americans (for whom the default assumption is that whatever they may wish to do is not allowed) will not get it.


Somebody gets it
71   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 1:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
DryMap says
mell says
Surely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe


Surely that is not all.
Those conditioned to live like Americans (for whom the default assumption is that whatever they may wish to do is not allowed) will not get it.


In the end it is a bit subjective but I definitely feel like I have more freedom in the US than in the EU, even with the imbibing restrictions. However if we let extreme leftism / cultural-marxism / feminism continue to poison this country this may change at some future tipping-point (esp. for straight white males).


What are you talking about, imbibing restrictions?

It’s sad that it’s a even a discussion about which other country are more known for Freedom than America
72   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 25, 1:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
mell says
DryMap says
mell says
Surely if you measure freedom in the freedom to imbibe


Surely that is not all.
Those conditioned to live like Americans (for whom the default assumption is that whatever they may wish to do is not allowed) will not get it.


In the end it is a bit subjective but I definitely feel like I have more freedom in the US than in the EU, even with the imbibing restrictions. However if we let extreme leftism / cultural-marxism / feminism continue to poison this country this may change at some future tipping-point (esp. for straight white males).


What are you talking about, imbibing restrictions?

It’s sad that it’s a even a discussion about which other country are more known for Freedom than America


Not at all. Freedom of speech is amongst the best in the US. Also in many European countries you can get sued and ordered to change if your neighbor doesn't want the new color or design, of your house wall, if you have a bathroom airing out to the side etc. Or try running a business elsewhere, think bureaucracy is bad here? Think again. Can't get incorporated faster anywhere else. Some countries prohibit you to even carry a simply knife for self-defense. You can get prison time for extreme opinions solely etc etc. I'd like to be able to have a beer while driving as long as I don't go over the limit, so that I would like to see changed. Even weed laws are still stricter in some European countries than in the US. And you can get admitted to the mental ward against your will quite rapidly (which may not be a bad thing in certain cases), not in the US though. Abortion is illegal in many other countries, and gay marriage. Where do you not feel free (except for the drug laws) here?
73   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 25, 2:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Where do you not feel free (except for the drug laws) here?

That is just the thing right there. Drugs, drug war, loss of freedom, unlimited powers for enforcement, especially the undercover nazi skin head types that use the job as carte blanche to keep on laughing for shooting, tasering and kicking peoples asses and laughing. Worst case is one of them might have to be so hard core as to use a throwaway gun or some dope from the evidence locker to legitimize a good old 'Mexercize' party or "gorillas in the mist."

When you cut back taxes, they have to come up with pigeons to keep the local enforcement ball rolling along with the prosecutorial overreach. --almost none of them make it to trial. Innocent or not, they can only afford to plea bargain given the risks of prosecutorial over-reaches they'll face.

If you live in a bad part of town that is not white you have to worry about no knock home invasions and swat attacks too. Bearcats, jammers, stingrays and night vision come free from drug war surplus from little weed arrests mostly, the easiest arrests ever, but helicopters get paid for by the locals.

Home business seminars took desperate hope for the future and transformed it into a consumer boom spawning office big box stores and Trump University type scams. Fuckin' A those are the same people that used to buy cars, RVs and take vacations. Just perfect for masses of laid off schmucks with no hope of decent employment. And that is a 30+ year trend in consumerism, Wall Street getting the lion's share of everything while people go down the tubes on the newly austere form of bankruptcy for the little guys. --BOOM goes real estate on foreclosures MAGA. Big box home improvement stores!!!
74   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 25, 2:25pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Whole neighborhoods unite to try to overcome these "enforcement" scams.

They come up with "Black Lives Matter" to highlight the wasted lives they experience either by death or imprisonment only to be rubuked by "Blue Lives Matter" as if blue lives, or all lives, have anything to worry about. --except eclipsing the original statement on the part of oppressed classes of people.

Your own life becomes more unsafe the more those around you keep getting systematically shafted. Liberals think about things like that.

THERE WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE oppressed classes of people NOT REACT to their plight en masse.
75   BlueSardine   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 25, 2:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That's life.
Welcome to the human race...
jazz_music says
THERE WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE oppressed classes of people NOT REACT to their plight en masse.
76   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 25, 4:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Whole neighborhoods unite to try to overcome these "enforcement" scams.

They come up with "Black Lives Matter" to highlight the wasted lives they experience either by death or imprisonment only to be rubuked by "Blue Lives Matter" as if blue lives, or all lives, have anything to worry about. --except eclipsing the original statement on the part of oppressed classes of people.

Your own life becomes more unsafe the more those around you keep getting systematically shafted. Liberals think about things like that.

THERE WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE oppressed classes of people NOT REACT to their plight en masse.


Dude, it’s a small price to pay to save us from the Communist Socialists and Hilary Clinton!
77   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 25, 9:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
They come up with "Black Lives Matter" to highlight the wasted lives they experience either by death or imprisonment only to be rubuked by "Blue Lives Matter" as if blue lives, or all lives, have anything to worry about. --except eclipsing the original statement on the part of oppressed classes of people.


Black Lives Matter is bullshit because far, far, far, far more Blacks are killed by Other Blacks than police officers. Welfare Hos Jill Off watching their Thugs gun each other down.
78   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 25, 9:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Black Lives Matter is bullshit

No, because they HAVE backed it with real activism. Their opposition actually makes concessions to BLM ONLY because of that. Whiners whine also, hoping to make them stop, and hoping to undermine BLM popularity. Other races stand a better chance of not being profiled because of BLM. Also others may see less abuse prosecutorial power.

Popularity among the people that matter depends more on results.

Whining on internet every day is bullshit because if that is all you do, you can easily and naturally be ignored, and using an authoritarian style doesn't even help one bit.
79   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 25, 9:37pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BlueSardine says
That's life.
Welcome to the human race...

Civil violence increases along with oppression, yeah.

Civil violence can hit anyone anywhere when you increase desperation and hopelessness in an increasing part of the population.

Welcome to the human race! Enjoy your life while you can while dog eat dog ramps up.
80   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Feb 26, 2:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
especially the undercover nazi skin head types that use the job as carte blanche


Provide one example. When you can't, let's all admit this is a leftist fantasy. It is a lie fed to you by CNN so that you feel superior to anyone who disagrees w you, w/o ever actually listening to their opinions. It's brainwashing so that you shut your brain off, and it appears to be working beautifully.
81   Onvacation   ignore (3)   2018 Feb 26, 7:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Their opposition actually makes concessions to BLM

Who? What?
82   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 26, 7:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says


Not at all. Freedom of speech is amongst the best in the US. Also in many European countries you can get sued and ordered to change if your neighbor doesn't want the new color or design, of your house wall, if you have a bathroom airing out to the side etc. Or try running a business elsewhere, think bureaucracy is bad here? Think again. Can't get incorporated faster anywhere else. Some countries prohibit you to even carry a simply knife for self-defense. You can get prison time for extreme opinions solely etc etc. I'd like to be able to have a beer while driving as long as I don't go over the limit, so that I would like to see changed. Even weed laws are still stricter in some European countries than in the US. And you can get admitted to the mental ward against your will quite rapidly (which may not be a bad thing in certain cases), not in the US though. Abortion is illegal in many other countries, and gay marriage. Where do you not feel free (except for the drug laws) here?


Pure garbage. I've lived overseas for years in a number of different countries. Not a week in Paris now I know all about France. ,Like moved there, gotten bank accounts, bought or rented, got Dl etc. You can find individual examples of specific items country by country. Oh yes this country does this or that country does that. But America is not the shining beacon of individual freedoms or rights that you have been brainwashed to believe. It's actually a pretty good example of a the boiling frog. Losing rights little by little without noticing. The phrase land of the free has become a bit of a running joke around the world.

Go ahead, make your case.

How many first world countries can your neighbor sue and force you to change your house (you've obviously never lived with an HOA or historic district commision).

Tell me how bad the bureaucracy for business is in Ireland, Norway, or Singapore or even the UK compared to CA or NY. The US is ranked 8th in the world for ease of doing business.

How many first world countries can you be jailed for extreme opinions? You mean like this? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/18/facebook-comments-arrest-prosecution That kind of freedom of speech?

Fastest to incorporate? NZ,Hong Kong, Singapore, UK, Ireland, Denmark are all just as fast. Plus they actually do due diligence. The US is one of the best and easiest countries to set up an anonymous corporation (provided you aren't a US citizen) or to set up a bank account. Which is why so much dirty money is laundered through the US. International criminals love the security of having their dirty money in the US.

Weed? Very few first world countries have stricter laws than the US. Decriminalized stares are still subject to federal law. Some of the more sensible ones like Portugal and Switzerland are decriminalized all drugs and use the money they spent on enforcement for treatment. Very successfully. The US has the highest prison rate for drugs pretty much anywhere..

What countries can you be committed "quite rapidly"? All that i know of require going through the court system. There are any number of states where you can be committed just as rapidly. The only european countries that ban abortion outright are Ireland, Malta, Poland, and San Marino. There are a number of states where abortion is effectively banned. Only the eastern europe former soviet block countries prohibit gay marriage. There were 14 states that banned gay marriage until the supreme court knocked it down in 2015.
83   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 26, 7:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.theroot.com/is-racist-law-enforcement-hunting-black-people-1821393072

"The most chilling part of the entire interview, however, was when Picciolini said this:
You know 30 years ago, we were skinheads. We wore swastikas and shaved heads, and you could identify us pretty easily. So we decided at that time to grow our hair out, to trade in our boots for suits, and we encouraged people to get jobs in law enforcement, to go to the military and get training and to recruit there.

Repeat last line: “We encouraged people to get jobs in law enforcement, to go to the military and get training and to recruit there.” Shoot and recruit. Sounds about Nazi."
84   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 26, 7:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
jazz_music says
especially the undercover nazi skin head types that use the job as carte blanche


Provide one example. When you can't, let's all admit this is a leftist fantasy. It is a lie fed to you by CNN so that you feel superior to anyone who disagrees w you, w/o ever actually listening to their opinions. It's brainwashing so that you shut your brain off, and it appears to be working beautifully.


To me it sounds like jazz is talking about agent provocateurs

http://www.offthegridnews.com/self-defense/how-to-identify-an-agent-provocateur/

there are examples in that article. I guess we all have to admit it's not a leftist fantasy.
85   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 26, 7:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Well, one thing the Broward Cowards Proved:

You can't "just call the police"
86   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 26, 10:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

But he was following protocol! Don't you people know protocol is GOD!?
87   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 26, 10:59am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Well, one thing the Broward Cowards Proved:

You can't "just call the police"


Do you think any internet chat forum mods would have been braver and rushed in and stopped the shooter? Lol lmao
88   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 26, 11:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
How many first world countries can you be jailed for extreme opinions? You mean like this? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/18/facebook-comments-arrest-prosecution That kind of freedom of speech?


WTF? He made a violent threat! Of course he should be prosecuted. Freedom of speech means you can have any opinion and talk about it except for making violent threats or encouraging others to engage in violence against others. Period. Freedom of speech is def. most protected in the US.

bob2356 says
Tell me how bad the bureaucracy for business is in Ireland, Norway, or Singapore or even the UK compared to CA or NY. The US is ranked 8th in the world for ease of doing business.


That's a great ranking.


All the other stuff you're listing is roughly on par, give or take.bob2356 says
How many first world countries can your neighbor sue and force you to change your house (you've obviously never lived with an HOA or historic district commision).


HOAs are very common in Germany and you can get kicked out or fined for less. If you want total freedom, buy a free-standing home and even then you have more rules than in the US to follow.

All the other stuff is roughly on par. Nobody said it's a shining beacon but it compares pretty well.
89   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 26, 12:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Provide one example. When you can't, let's all admit this is a leftist fantasy.

I'm not your mommy. One has to decide this for themselves. When your mind is made up, the suggestion is dead. Similarly I can't believe it when I tune into the local news and they fawn over Trump saying he has done so much, its just unimaginable that anyone would say that when he has made a mess of everything he touches, makes grandiose gestures, photo ops, and takes another vacation at tremendous taxpayer expense.

Now we all have the same internet, I read about police being welcoming to skinheads that grow up a little and learn to tone it down, I believed it REALLY EASILY because of personal experience with a deputy sheriff who lives in my neighborhood and grew up here too. Nazi. Skinhead. Learned to tone it down to get a job. Exactly like some links I read.

People tend to believe that police are heroes because almost every drama on TV portrays them as such. When you get experienced you learn FAST. The system knows who it serves and that is not you, you are there to help pay for its existence if any case can possibly be made. Cops and rich people have interesting lives. Turn on TV and drool over them.

And wow anybody who whips out the words "leftist fantasy" is portraying a hysteria and then follows up with "CNN" ... that person is the product of major daily propaganda exposure. Because REALITY: when Fox took over the TV and got big ratings, guess what, ALL EXISTING NEWS networks figured "what can we do to get big ratings too?" Fox is the LUCRATIVE ONE to compare to. Fox came on the scene with major backing that NONE OF THEM could compare to. Fox SUCCESSFULLY pushes ALL your emotional buttons DAILY with 100% GOP talking points, coordinated with talk radio programming across the nation and web media daily from the New York office basement. --the same emotional buttons pushed by Trump.

Oh yeah Fox uses tits, ass and female mind games on you geniuses too. Major distraction stories, lies, ridiculous rants from their cornball emotional men. But ohhhh no, it's CNN, no, they are the lightweights by comparison.
90   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 26, 1:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I've noticed a difference between my kids and myself when I was a kid. They have grown up in the US and are very timid, always expecting/assuming that things are not allowed. I don't think this a generational issue, it's rather cultural.

Not surprising given that they are not even allowed to run in the school yard. Similarly, I am not allowed even to move my desk on my own at work.

A couple of months ago a few friends and I decided to play some soccer after dark, in the basketball court in the park. We brought some lights. Houses are far away, we were not noisy. Nevertheless, 15 min later a cop came and stopped the game; somebody had called to report us.

Last summer, on a Greek island, taking my kids to a secluded beach. To get to the beach, have to go down a very steep, sleepery path. Quite scary but fun. One has to hold on to a rope. Down at the beach, a few couples, some half or fully naked. We started swimming, from the shore, around the rocks, into the next cove, and so on, and so on, exploring caves, resting on rocks, for several hours. Kids keep asking me: "is thIs allowed? Is this allowed?"

The next day hired a boat. The "captan" took us to the other side of the island dropped the anchor 100m from shore and said :"here's a good place, jump and swim." No life jackets, no signing wavers, hell, he didn't even ask us if we can swim.

"Are we allowed to leave our kids home alone." "Are they allowed to travel alone on the bus, train, taxi, whatever?" "Are they allowed to play unsupervised in the park?" "Is it safe?"

These are all questions that we have been asking ourselves at one time or another in the US. But never in our home countries or other places where we have lived. My 10 year old spending the afternoon alone on the beach? No problem. 12 year going alone with friends on the train in Tokyo? No problem. Using public transportation alone in a EU capital? Sure.

I can go on and on with examples.

Folks wanting to cary weapons for "personal defense?" Only in the US! Well, maybe in Afghanistan too.
91   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 26, 3:37pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

FP says
always expecting/assuming that things are not allowed.

Because everything that is not strictly forbidden is fucking mandatory!

FP says
15 min later a cop came and stopped the game; somebody had called to report us.

No they didn't. This is an example of oppression, cops lie about that shit all the time. Sure they don't want to be called back if they think there MIGHT BE A CHANCE that someone will call them over whatever you are trying to do.

They were looking for something they can use, an open container, a pipe, drug paraphernalia, a warrant, a probation violation, a chicken shit marijuana arrest is perfect, no hassle, FUCKING lucrative, the precinct loves them for it. Racks up points towards federal weapons drug war gifts. They always are looking to make sure they get more credit as good money earners for the precinct. Also got to make sure that the local power clique and their kids are not among their targets here too. --because that could backfire on them. If the coast is clear, they leap at a chance to prove that they are not milking their job and not doing something. Also, at a playground there are ALL KINDS of special violations you may be found guilty of. Especially if you look like a harmless mild mannered Joe paycheck type of guy, no hassle, easy glory play for the cops to get credit for being tough on crime! WOOHOO 10 different charges and now you gotta cop a fucking plea. GUILTY because of what they threaten to do to you if you dare not to cop a plea. If you bitch at them you may find out what the minorities are experiencing. Yes, there are minorities on the force. That didn't change anything because you better back each other up or they will make a human sacrifice out of you as an example. You see how when the chips are down they are all bad. What you don't see is that when the chips are down they will always win too unless you can get the press involved.

Nothing makes them behave and cut the bullshit oppression like having an officer graduation portrait hanging in plain sight when you answer the door.

Psychologists ALREADY KNOW FOR A FACT that a person usually cannot handle this much power. That way they get sadistic, drunk with power, they beat people up, they rape, some even rob. Call them on it and THEY ALWAYS WIN. Some manage to behave decently too WHEN THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

Civilian oversight is obviously required, but it will never happen because it will REQUIRE VOLUNTARILY GIVING UP POWER and ad expenses to the system that they can avoid just by being assholes about it. Realize the whole system exists to protect local businesses, banks, landlords and official events. --the first thing those local big shots always do is to make sure that THEY ARE NOT THE ONES PAYING for those services which constitute the main reasons for them all to exist. THERE ARE COMMUNITIES that fire all of them too and get by just fine.

This is the simple truth of the situation with the system. HERESY!

Now listen to the blind believers rant, scream and recite their creed.
93   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 27, 8:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump says he would have rushed in unarmed and stopped the shooter himself

Seriously, he actually said that while criticizing the police. Trump and his Republican Governors are so brave!
94   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 27, 11:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
Folks wanting to cary weapons for "personal defense?" Only in the US! Well, maybe in Afghanistan too.

I met a student who says that he and most kids in Palestine sleep with a machine gun next to their pillow.
95   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 27, 12:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
Folks wanting to cary weapons for "personal defense?" Only in the US! Well, maybe in Afghanistan too.


In Europe: Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Estonia, Geogia, Germany, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, and Serbia all have systems to allow private citizens to get a carry permit, some are harder to get than others.

Our neighbors to the north, Canada, you can get a permit to carry if you show cause.

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, possibly other middle eastern countries also allow firearms for citizens and certain classes of foreigners.

Don't forget Israel.

96   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 27, 1:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_cf6c6 says
In Europe: Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Estonia, Geogia, Germany, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, and Serbia all have systems to allow private citizens to get a carry permit, some are harder to get than others.


1) System there is is very different than the US.

2) I don't know of regular folks there carrying of feeling the need to carry, or even having at home weapons (only actual hunters). Policemen are too less weapojized compared to the US.

3) what is your point?
97   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 27, 1:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
what is your point?


Are people's lives worth less in Europe than here?
98   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 27, 1:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_cf6c6 says
FP says
what is your point?


Are people's lives worth less in Europe than here?


What??
99   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 27, 2:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
anon_cf6c6 says
FP says
what is your point?


Are people's lives worth less in Europe than here?


What??


Exactly,

The fear of guns blocks the ability to understand reason and logic.
100   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 27, 4:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
I met a student who says that he and most kids in Palestine sleep with a machine gun next to their pillow.


You met somebody from a region in the defunct Roman Empire?

Did you ever meet somebody from Pappenburg or the Kingdom of Connacht?
101   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 27, 5:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_cf6c6 says
FP says
anon_cf6c6 says
FP says
what is your point?


Are people's lives worth less in Europe than here?


What??


Exactly,

The fear of guns blocks the ability to understand reason and logic.


LOL You are funny. Are you using a random word generator?
102   Hugolas_Madurez   ignore (5)   2018 May 17, 7:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

missing says
I don't know of regular folks there carrying


Concealed means concealed.

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