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School guard cowarded out when shooting was happening.


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2018 Feb 23, 8:20am   23,558 views  92 comments

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/23/trump-calls-parkland-deputy-who-failed-stop-school-shooting-coward/366520002/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/23/police-officers-guard-home-deputy-assigned-to-florida-hs-who-never-went-in-during-shooting-report.html
Sat outside hiding behind some wall, avoiding doing what he signed up for. Coward.

Here's your typical government employee. Does minimum, avoids any work, waiting for their extravagant pension to kick in so they don't have to do any work even. Fricken worthless pieces of crap.

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1   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 23, 8:26am  

Eh, I think he's a scapegoat.

How long did the police hang outside of UVa and Columbine? More than 4 minutes.
2   Tenpoundbass   2018 Feb 23, 8:28am  

Yup they have Miss Shaniqua a 320 pounder with a gun and a billy stick. She can rough a bitch up at the court house bothering her at the metal detector. But when the shit really hits the fan these affimative action rejects, will punk out like the untrained timesuck they are. A waste of time and space working in law enforcement.

But GOD DAMN they can sure sound authoritative to Law abiding citizens going to the court house for official business. They shred them to bits imposing their Liberal will on them. Making the white man pay for all of the injustices her Faggot White Teacher told we took from her. But shit hits the fan, Oh fuck that they didn't sign up to put their live in harm way and protect and serve.

They are here to Dictate and Demand.

Not as easy as it looks it is Assholes?
3   Y   2018 Feb 23, 8:30am  

Make LEO requirements meet the same intellect level as college graduate with a BS in anything but liberal arts.
Then pay them accordingly, with a 50k-100k annual kicker added for risking their lives. (desk jockeys don't get this)
Most LEO requirements education wise are high school diploma or GED.
Bottom line: you get what you pay for...

Education Requirement
Most agencies expect officers to have a high school diploma or GED at a minimum. Some agencies require a bachelor’s degree or a minimum number of college credit hours. Others offer additional pay based on educational attainment. Regardless, education beyond high school will only help you in your law enforcement career. Having a four-year degree or an advanced degree is an asset in your career progression, particularly when seeking a promotion or specialized assignment.
4   Tenpoundbass   2018 Feb 23, 8:31am  

We need to demand we redo how we are doing the Civil Jobs in America these people are killing US all.

Stop the affirmative action jobs, they are killing us.
5   anonymous   2018 Feb 23, 8:38am  

BlueSardine says
Make LEO requirements meet the same intellect level as college graduate with a BS in anything but liberal arts.
Then pay them accordingly, with a 50k-100k annual kicker added for risking their lives. (desk jockeys don't get this)
Most LEO requirements education wise are high school diploma or GED.
Bottom line: you get what you pay for...


Only problem with that is that we are at record low unemployment.
6   Y   2018 Feb 23, 8:39am  

Stop paying for illiterate mick hacks to police the mob.
Start paying the pool of 130+ iq talent to soothe the masses...

BlueSardine says
Bottom line: you get what you pay for...
7   FortWayne   2018 Feb 23, 8:40am  

Tenpoundbass says
We need to demand we redo how we are doing the Civil Jobs in America these people are killing US all.

Stop the affirmative action jobs, they are killing us.


I think there is more to it. This government doesn't reward work and effort. All they reward is sitting on once ass and doing minimum by union rules, waiting for gold plated pensions. This whole government needs to be reformed.
8   Bd6r   2018 Feb 23, 8:43am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Eh, I think he's a scapegoat.

Probably, as the county Sheriff apparently had many reports that perp threatens everyone and nothing was done. So, as usual, the janitor gets the blame.
9   Y   2018 Feb 23, 8:43am  

yes, but college grads fiippin burgers.
Given the proper financial incentive, qualilfied people can be moved into LEO positions.

anon_47967 says
Only problem with that is that we are at record low unemployment.
10   anonymous   2018 Feb 23, 9:06am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Eh, I think he's a scapegoat.

How long did the police hang outside of UVa and Columbine? More than 4 minutes.


I've read postings by some LEO's in Florida. The rules of engagement have changed for many after Columbine. The new rule is that the first officer on the scene must engage the shooter as quick as possible and not wait for backup.
11   anonymous   2018 Feb 23, 9:06am  

and in other news, there was ONE police officer at the school for over 3000 students.

Today, there are multiple cops at this cowards house protecting him from the media.

You just make this shit up.
12   FortWayne   2018 Feb 23, 9:06am  

And of course, union defended him... because that's what unions do protect their own lazy asses, spike pensions, and rob taxpayers, while doing nothing.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/23/florida-deputy-who-stayed-outside-school-during-massacre-believes-did-good-job-union-official-says.html

He's 2 years from retirement, that's 90% of the salary plus full benefits for the rest of his life. Clearly made a decision to avoid danger. He's only 53, so he has a long life ahead of him, unlike the children who he refused to protect when they needed him.
13   MrMagic   2018 Feb 23, 9:28am  

BlueSardine says
Make LEO requirements meet the same intellect level as college graduate with a BS in anything but liberal arts.


Actually, my son is looking at different opportunities with local LEO departments. Many of them are requiring 4 year degrees to apply.

BlueSardine says
Regardless, education beyond high school will only help you in your law enforcement career. Having a four-year degree or an advanced degree is an asset in your career progression, particularly when seeking a promotion or specialized assignment.


I think it's also because they want an office who shows he can complete a goal and hopefully has some additional critical thinking skills, not that a 4 year degree truly accomplishes that, but it's a start.
14   MrMagic   2018 Feb 23, 9:29am  

FortWayne says
Here's your typical government employee. Does minimum, avoids any work, waiting for their extravagant pension to kick in so they don't have to do any work even.


Yep, and they'll let this guy "retire" with his full pension, even though he allowed 17 kids to be slaughtered on his watch.

Welcome to Liberal America!
15   Patrick   2018 Feb 23, 9:31am  

BlueSardine says
Make LEO requirements


What is LEO?
16   Tenpoundbass   2018 Feb 23, 9:37am  

Patrick says
What is LEO?

Law enforcement Officers
17   justme   2018 Feb 23, 9:43am  

Have y'all not realized, the police is only brave enough to shoot unarmed and innocent people. You expect police to get in a gunfight with a real mass murderer? That would be detrimental to officer safety, dontcha' know.
18   mell   2018 Feb 23, 9:44am  

Sniper says
FortWayne says
Here's your typical government employee. Does minimum, avoids any work, waiting for their extravagant pension to kick in so they don't have to do any work even.


Yep, and they'll let this guy "retire" with his full pension, even though he allowed 17 kids to be slaughtered on his watch.

Welcome to Liberal America!


Have to agree with this. It can be a tough job but you signed up for it with all its perks and responsibilities, and the union protects this guy? Also it changes the lamestream media's story quite dramatically yet they are ignoring it again. KD rages here:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=233034
19   anonymous   2018 Feb 23, 9:45am  

justme says
Have y'all not realized, the police is only brave enough to shoot unarmed and innocent people. You expect police to get in a gunfight with a real mass murderer? That would be detrimental to officer safety, dontcha' know.


But what about all the brave keyboard warriors

If they were there with their toy guns none of this would have happened

Lololol lmao
20   justme   2018 Feb 23, 9:45am  

anon_47967 says
Only problem with that is that we are at record low unemployment.


We are also at record low EMPLOYMENT.
21   Ceffer   2018 Feb 23, 9:46am  

He oughta be able to plink 20 kids at 100 feet without dropping his coffee or the donut in his mouth.

A little collateral damage is understandable.
22   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 23, 9:48am  

mell says
Have to agree with this. It can be a tough job but you signed up for it with all its perks and responsibilities, and the union protects this guy? Also it changes the lamestream media's story quite dramatically yet they are ignoring it again. KD rages here:


I see both sides, one that he was cowardly but two, when there have been multiple LEOs responding (UVa, Columbine), they've often lollygagged outside the building(s) for much longer than 4 minutes during an active shooting, even when multiple officers were already on scene and in contact with each other.

I don't want the Sheriff to throw this guy under the bus and get himself and his department off scot free, and there's a reason not to charge into a building with an active shooter and you don't know where he is or even what he looks like, on the other hand this was a time-critical situation.

There is this kind of selfish attitude we're starting to see with Cop Unions/Policy where it's like they'd rather shoot a PTSD veteran than talk him down, or wait even when there are multiple officers to stop a shooter, I hate to say it, but the $75k/year salary is compensation for danger. If they're going to be this cautious then the salary has be adjusted downwards. Cops also have incredibly generous disability and life insurance to cover injury or death on the job that would take care of their families very, very well.
23   mell   2018 Feb 23, 9:50am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
mell says
Have to agree with this. It can be a tough job but you signed up for it with all its perks and responsibilities, and the union protects this guy? Also it changes the lamestream media's story quite dramatically yet they are ignoring it again. KD rages here:


I see both sides, one that he was cowardly but two, when there have been multiple LEOs responding (UVa, Columbine), they've often lollygagged outside the building(s) for much longer than 4 minutes during an active shooting.

I don't want the Sheriff to throw this guy under the bus and get himself and his department off scot free, and there's a reason not to charge into a building with an active shooter and you don't know where he is or even what he looks like, on the other hand this was a time-critical situation.


Agreed, but that's why they're right now protecting him so that he can not turn on them. Wrt active situation, after he made the appropriate calls for backup he should have gone in, being the only one armed, no matter whether it had already come to an end or not.
24   MrMagic   2018 Feb 23, 10:06am  

mell says
Also it changes the lamestream media's story quite dramatically yet they are ignoring it again. KD rages here:


KD was spot on, but I doubt you'll hear that discussed on CNN or MSNBC today.
25   MrMagic   2018 Feb 23, 10:07am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I don't want the Sheriff to throw this guy under the bus and get himself and his department off scot free, and there's a reason not to charge into a building with an active shooter and you don't know where he is or even what he looks like, on the other hand this was a time-critical situation.


In the wake of these shootings the last few years, the situation has changed along with rules of engagement. Seconds count.

A LEO shouldn't be put in the position to protect these kids if he's incapable of instantly responding and living up to the slogan "Protect and Serve".

If a LEO agrees to go on duty in a school today, he should know specifically what he needs to do, hanging back for multiple minutes "assessing" the situation isn't the plan.

If a cop is looking to ride out time waiting for retirement, a school isn't the place for him. Send him out writing parking tickets.
26   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 23, 10:12am  

Sniper says
If a cop is looking to ride out time waiting for retirement, a school isn't the place for him. Send him out writing parking tickets.


Read the LastRefuge tweetthread I posted. It talks about SROs.
27   Ceffer   2018 Feb 23, 10:21am  

Do you really want a guy whose main job is intimidating children with his pot belly flinging lead around a combat zone full of children, especially with a hand gun? Not to mention the sheer confusion of the situation.

I spend time in an area where firecracker assholes are common. The firecrackers sound like gunfire, and you can reliably seldom tell where they are coming from. If they were live rounds, and you went by sound, you probably would wind up in the wrong spot and the damage would have been done somewhere else, anyway.

Unless this guy had a clear line of sight at an obvious shooter by accident, it was probably better for everybody that he just stay out of the way and let the rest of the goons handle it.
28   mell   2018 Feb 23, 10:51am  

Ceffer says
Do you really want a guy whose main job is intimidating children with his pot belly flinging lead around a combat zone full of children, especially with a hand gun? Not to mention the sheer confusion of the situation.

I spend time in an area where firecracker assholes are common. The firecrackers sound like gunfire, and you can reliably seldom tell where they are coming from. If they were live rounds, and you went by sound, you probably would wind up in the wrong spot and the damage would have been done somewhere else, anyway.

Unless this guy had a clear line of sight at an obvious shooter by accident, it was probably better for everybody that he just stay out of the way and let the rest of the goons handle it.


Yeah but then he wasn't fit for the job and shouldn't have been in this job in the first place. Get a thoroughly trained guy without potbelly, pay a little extra - it's worth it.
29   BayArea   2018 Feb 23, 10:52am  

What percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?
30   anonymous   2018 Feb 23, 11:07am  

Ceffer says
Unless this guy had a clear line of sight at an obvious shooter by accident, it was probably better for everybody that he just stay out of the way and let the rest of the goons handle it.


Ok, but how can you get a line of sight and determine what's going on if you refuse to investigate?
31   anonymous   2018 Feb 23, 11:07am  

mell says
Yeah but then he wasn't fit for the job and shouldn't have been in this job in the first place. Get a thoroughly trained guy without potbelly, pay a little extra - it's worth it.


Most of the guys don't have a potbelly when they're hired....
32   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 23, 11:49am  

BayArea says
What percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?


It's a more common situation than you think. A regularly practicing individual with a Pistol, at close ranges, does surprisingly well against a thug or two with a semiautomatic rifle and only a few trips to the range.

Didn't save the article, but a Texas Cop defeated two thugs with both body armor and rifles with his pistol.
33   MrMagic   2018 Feb 23, 11:59am  

BayArea says
What percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?


75%+, maybe more, (that is if they're there to take the job seriously).

You think a security guy with tactical training won't take on a snot nosed random kid with a AR?
34   Bd6r   2018 Feb 23, 12:00pm  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Didn't save the article, but a Texas Cop defeated two thugs with both body armor and rifles with his pistol.

Perhaps this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack
35   MrMagic   2018 Feb 23, 12:13pm  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
It's a more common situation than you think. A regularly practicing individual with a Pistol, at close ranges, does surprisingly well against a thug or two with a semiautomatic rifle and only a few trips to the range.


There you go.

People want to be Monday morning armchair quarterbacks without actual experience and knowledge of a subject.

TwoScoopsPlissken says
but a Texas Cop defeated two thugs with both body armor and rifles with his pistol.


Most cops have pretty good training, and if they had military experience before, react and perform even better in those situations. They don't have to "think", it becomes instinct.
36   RWSGFY   2018 Feb 23, 12:20pm  

"Why anyone would want to carry a heavy gun when we have police to protect us all?"
37   anonymous   2018 Feb 23, 12:25pm  

38   RWSGFY   2018 Feb 23, 12:31pm  

BayArea says
What percentage of trained and Glock armed police/security would have engaged the shooter and his AR15 in that halfway? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%?


At "hallway distances" the rifle loses almost all of it advantages. So nothing wrong with engaging the rifle wielding fuck using a glock (and proper tactics like using cover and such).
39   lostand confused   2018 Feb 23, 12:41pm  

It is what you get a pension for-or is it for grandma with cancer on munchies?
40   MrMagic   2018 Feb 23, 12:41pm  

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
"Why anyone would want to carry a heavy gun when we have police to protect us all?"


When seconds count, police are only minutes away.

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