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LA Has Criminalized Poverty By Making It Illegal To Sleep In Cars And RVs


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2018 Feb 24, 10:49am   3,060 views  18 comments

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-23/la-has-criminalized-poverty-making-it-illegal-sleep-cars-and-rvs

Under the new laws, it is illegal to sleep in a car or RV that is parked in a residentially zoned area from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. Areas within one block of a park, daycare, or school are entirely off limits. Fines will range anywhere from $25 to $75 which is impossible to pay for most people in these situations.

In 2014, LA lawmakers attempted to pass a similar bill but it was shot down in a federal appeals court. The judge in the case ruled that the legislation was “broad enough to cover any driver in Los Angeles who eats food or transports personal belongings in his or her vehicle. Yet it appears to be applied only to the homeless.”


I'm not a great fan of the homeless in SF because they do cause a lot of problems, but this seems to be going a bit far. Why shouldn't you be able to sleep in your car or RV? Who does it hurt?

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1   anonymous   2018 Feb 24, 10:52am  

QUESTION: HOW COME LA IS A SANCTUARY CITY FOR HISPANICS AND MEXICAN CRIMINALS, BUT NOT FOR WHITE POOR HOMELESS PEOPLE?
2   Ceffer   2018 Feb 24, 11:00am  

Unbridled immigration will solve this problem.
3   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2018 Feb 24, 11:00am  

It’s becomming a huge issue, with people from outside California coming due to weather and easy access to food and other necessities. And it’s disgusting...where do you think the waste goes?

Hawaii’s homeless explosion is another example of how bad it can get. On Oahu there’s entire towns that have been overrun with homeless encampments.

The bigger issue imo, which no leftist will ever make, is that there’s no constitutional right to reside in public spaces. What really needs to end is the various govt programs that provide a cushion where these people can subsist at the lowest level...food stamps, revisits of state disability programs etc. most people living in vehicles are shiftless and unemployeed(when McDonalds in LA pays $13 an hour).

There’s a vast difference from the guy in Montana living off the grid and the guy in LA getting free food and a general relief voucher while getting high all day every day.
4   Ceffer   2018 Feb 24, 11:16am  

There goes my Realtor future of flipping car condos in LA.
5   anonymous   2018 Feb 24, 4:31pm  

San Francisco will take them!
6   BayArea   2018 Feb 24, 11:16pm  

This doesn’t bother me given that it states “residential”

I don’t like people parking and sleeping in my residential neighborhood.
7   mell   2018 Feb 25, 8:44am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
It’s becomming a huge issue, with people from outside California coming due to weather and easy access to food and other necessities. And it’s disgusting...where do you think the waste goes?

Hawaii’s homeless explosion is another example of how bad it can get. On Oahu there’s entire towns that have been overrun with homeless encampments.

The bigger issue imo, which no leftist will ever make, is that there’s no constitutional right to reside in public spaces. What really needs to end is the various govt programs that provide a cushion where these people can subsist at the lowest level...food stamps, revisits of state disability programs etc. most people living in vehicles are shiftless and unemployeed(when McDonalds in LA pays $13 an hour).

There’s a vast difference from the guy in Montana living off the grid and the guy in LA getting free food and a general relief voucher while getting high all day every day.


Money-wise it would probably be better to have the city zone (RV parks) and install facilities where they can reside and dump their trash and charge their devices properly, than investing in costly housing/homeless projects or let tent cities grow. At least they already have a home and it probably takes less space if done right. And they should not provide any vouchers or assistance beyond that, just distribute day(s) old food maybe that would otherwise be tossed.
8   FortWayne   2018 Feb 25, 9:00am  

record homelessness
government fraud and theft at all time high
rent prices are skyrocketing.

yet this government has no answers to:
- shortage of housing
- shortage of water

This government needs someone who can fix all this, someone who will fight for the people, and not just tell us nice things while fucking us in secret. "Can't sleep in car", isn't a solution. It's an attempt to hide the problem.
10   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2018 Feb 25, 10:21am  

Feux Follets says
CovfefeButDeadly says
What really needs to end is the various govt programs that provide a cushion where these people can subsist at the lowest level...food stamps, revisits of state disability programs etc. most people living in vehicles are shiftless and unemployeed(when McDonalds in LA pays $13 an hour).


So when these programs are ended - does the Grand Republic establish it's own "final solution" to "help" these people ?

Ever try finding a studio let alone a one bedroom that someone can afford on $13 per hour wages in California ?

Going to guess consideration has not been given to the fine line between homeless and housed when the unexpected layoff, medical crisis etc. take place - those unexpected things that always happen to everyone else.


Straight to a hitler reference? You got me man. I wanna kill off the homeless, children, elderly. Pretty much anyone. All must die :|
11   Ceffer   2018 Feb 25, 11:09am  

Limousine Liberal hypocrisy protecting their neighborhoods while imposing the homeless on everyplace else. Typical.

Defend the Holy Homeless! Ewwwwwww! These icky people are actually sleeping in MY neighborhood! Who allowed this revolting development?
12   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 25, 12:27pm  

jazz_music says
25% suffer from mental illness


So, did they diagnose and see those records on 1.5M Homeless People, or not?

How did a private activist organization get the mental health assessment on all 1.5M People, assuming there was one done on every one of them and some repository of all of them?

How did a private activist organization get these medical records, assuming there's a rudimentary amount of privacy attached to them?

Or is it statistical magic based on ex rectum/biased numbers?

Is it remotely possible that somebody mentally ill was diagnosed, but refuses to take their meds and instead 'self-medicates' with drugs/alcohol?

The key to stopping homelessness is forcible hospitalization for those who can't take care of themselves. And, for those who can get on with just a little outside support, lowering housing costs through banning immigration, suspending height and density restrictions, and subsidies for working/middle class housing development (for eventual private ownership by the residents)

We tried it the liberal way by Freeing All The Crazies Because Society Is Crazy, and ended up with an onslaught of homeless. It wasn't Reagan, it was Geraldo and the pre-genetics revolution "Schizo=Bad family dynamics" (now known to be 100% false) leading a moral panic.

RD Laing was wrong.
https://www.amazon.com/Sanity-Madness-Family-Schizophrenics-psychology/dp/0140134662

Bring back the Mental Wards where we can take care of the Mentally Ill whether they like it or not. If they were capable of understanding enough to get on and take their meds, they wouldn't be wandering the Mission District muttering about how the Aliens changed the date again on the Newspapers and it's really Thursday, March 21st, not Friday the 22nd, and take a big plop in the street after screaming at a Dump Truck.

Also, alcoholism to the point it prevents employment or ability to handle regular life is a Mental Disorder. You're going dry, buddy, whether you like it or not. Call me an Evil Tyrant, it's far more humane than saying "Let them freeze in the streets, barking at the moon, and guzzling Crackling Rosie until they die prematurely in an alley way if they don't respond to Liberal's Pleas to educate and help themselves with no force being applied to them."
13   FortWayne   2018 Feb 25, 12:40pm  

jazz_music says
FortWayne says
It's an attempt to hide the problem.

Its an open door to a forced labor prison economy for those who have awakened to the slippery slope thing and find that they can't compete with labor that doesn't get wages. --the inferior bastards!

I don't like the Hitler reference either, things here can get much worse than that, just watch people stand by waving their flags until it's them getting fucked.

The progress is the word 'slavery' will never again be used.


Government restricts how much housing there is, and on other hand in crony deals lets wealthy buy up vast amounts of land at discount.... just adding more to the problem. This isn't right.
14   Ceffer   2018 Feb 25, 12:49pm  

Two ugly and unacknowledged words amongst the tulip tiptoeing libbies: sequestration and internment for the homeless, instead of allowing them to infiltrate and undermine populated areas. Prisoners don't work "for free", they contribute slightly to the costs to the taxpayers of their imprisonment.

I have a friend who is a veteran and is highly involved in veteran's activities. Many vets belong to "clubs" inside their respective vet's centers, the clubs being dependent on their particular wars and eras, and they don't have much sympathy for any of the other clubs or the overt homeless veterans. I don't believe that the percentage of veterans is that high amongst the homeless. I think that is fake news for virtue signalling shame mongering. Also, addiction and alcoholism are not a result of being a veteran, they are a result of being addicts and alcoholics. I have one neighbor who is a Vietnam vet and he hangs around one of the vet's clubs, and he is always extremely intoxicated. However, he is rich because he has inherited property. He isn't sympathetic with the homeless vets, or the demands they place on his local veteran's center (clubhouse).

My friend has actually been very active in extending free medical/dental services, shelter, recovery resources, meals and dry goods to addicted and homeless veterans. He has had a lot of nasty opposition from the "clubs" who just like to hang out and maintain the status quo.

I know and talk with a "homeless" guy who is sweet and gentle, completely sober and does not use drugs or alcohol. He plays guitar in public and I see him around various areas on his bicycle. However, I suspect his "homelessness" is an avocation and a hobby of sorts, because he does not have the weathered, beaten look of a true homeless guy. I suspect he has shelter and some money somewhere from family when he wants or needs it. He IS daffy, however, and would never hold down a job.
15   anonymous   2018 Feb 25, 12:52pm  

The military is often a destination for the poor and lower socioeconomic class. If they exit the military without a job or sound career strategy, homelessness is probably one potential outcome.
16   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 25, 12:56pm  

jazz_music says
Try this text in a search engine: "homeless percent employed in los angeles"


I did, and the numbers are all over the map. The very first link from "LA Almanac" puts Veterans in LA/LA Metro Area at 7-8% of the homeless population, as opposed to 23% that you quoted.

That's off by a factor of around or over 300%.

Activist groups are very good at exaggerating numbers with Stat Magic to "show" particular aspects to distort the Public's views and thus generate sympathy.

Going by this link:
http://www.laalmanac.com/social/so14.php

You'll find more than half the homeless are mentally ill, have a development disorder (ie a mental handicap), or a brain injury (which almost always has mental capacity limitations). And I wonder how many addicts have mental issues.

Anyone won't spend the time and money to forcibly hospitalize them, but rely on "educating" people who are either deeply addicted, mentally incapacitated, trying to coax them into getting help when they know they're seriously fucked up in the head, they, not me, are the cruel ones.

If they were rational enough to realize their predicament, there won't be so many of them.
17   Ceffer   2018 Feb 25, 1:15pm  

I also think there is a segment of homeless who CLAIM to be veterans, because it is a great handle for begging, but are not.
18   WineHorror   2018 Feb 25, 1:54pm  

This government sucks asshole. They much rather pay themselves like kings with state constitution protections and benefits than care for people. How much $$$ goes towards wars?

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