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Patrick says

If a corporation employs illegals, then who should go to jail? The hiring manager, or the CEO, or the board of directors? Ideas?

All of them!

Bloomberg came damn close to the obvious and best solution of jailing all employers of illegals, but didn't quite have the guts to say it.

If Congress is serious about turning off the flow of undocumented immigrants, it will have to give DHS the resources it needs for workplace enforcement, including on-site inspections.

This would not please some of the business interests that fund both political parties. Nor would it placate those for whom any extravagance is justified by a cry of "Secure the border!" But it would weaken the magnet that draws undocumented immigrants to the U.S. in the first place. The House has stalled progress on immigration reform. If it is going to make the nation wait for a solution, it should recognize that the place to stop the inflow is not at the point of entry, but at the point of hire.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2014-03-12/the-only-way-to-stop-illegal-immigration?cmpid=yhoo

They can't eat at Taco Bell or Chipolte for two years.

Wait, is that punishment?

First offense 5k per illegal.
Second offence 5k per illegal its a misdemeanor 1 day in jail
With each repeat fine and add a day in jail.
For corporations and large business every employee has to be signed for, the person that signed off is the one that does the time.
If someone trys to hire and keep it hidden without signing off on a person all fines and time are doubled.

When you have 144 job openings at Mar-A-Lago and only one gets filled by a native born American - what does that tell you ?

You do understand the difference between legal and illegal, right?

Even so, I would like it to me more difficult to get the H-1B and H-2B visas. These programs seem to be abused by not just hiring foreign when American Citizens are unavailable for the job, but are actually on the job and replaced by low paid foreigners on work visas. Blatant abuse by Disney.

Feux Follets says

That will not make a dent in a decent executive bonus even with doubling it down.

Sure it would and nobody wants to spend any time in jail, especially some hr person .

Feux Follets says

When you have 144 job openings at Mar-A-Lago and only one gets filled by a native born American - what does that tell you ?

It tells me nothing at all. I don't care if someone is native-born American or not. But I do care if they broke the law to get here, and continue to break the law by remaining here while their employer breaks the law by employing them so that they don't have to pay the minimum wage.

Anyone who follows our immigration laws to become a citizen and who is committed to the ideals of the Constitution should be accepted as an American no matter what they look or sound like or where they came from.

But if the point was that wages for working but poor US citizens have been driven downward by twelve million illegals hiding in plain sight, then I totally agree and apologize for my misinterpretation.

HEYYOU says

Forced labor for illegal employers. While they are working their asses off, "Don't you wish an illegal could do this job for you for $0.50/hour?"
Sorry no one is applying for the job. Get to work!"

+1

HeadSet says

When you have 144 job openings at Mar-A-Lago and only one gets filled by a native born American - what does that tell you ?

You do understand the difference between legal and illegal, right?

You have personal knowledge that no illegals are doing work at Mar-A-Lago. Even under the dodge of subcontractors? Oh my, this company can do the work for half the cost, I have no idea why, wink wink nod nod.

Patrick says

Anyone who follows our immigration laws to become a citizen and who is committed to the ideals of the Constitution should be accepted as an American no matter what they look or sound like or where they came from.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/20/16003254/trump-h2b-visa-program

Congress lifted the cap on H-2B worker visas for trump. Then his businesses asked for 76 of them.

Might be done legally but still not right. I'm sure there are American whom would have taken those jobs.

No jail time. If an illegal is caught, their employment should terminate, and their employer would need to give them payments for the rest of their lives like an alimony.

HeadSet says

When you have 144 job openings at Mar-A-Lago and only one gets filled by a native born American - what does that tell you ?

You do understand the difference between legal and illegal, right?

Even so, I would like it to me more difficult to get the H-1B and H-2B visas. These programs seem to be abused by not just hiring foreign when American Citizens are unavailable for the job, but are actually on the job and replaced by low paid foreigners on work visas. Blatant abuse by Disney.

And abused by Trump.

Skip jail time. Force both parties of the alleged transgression to fuck each other. Employee and employer. If we're going to have illegals, at least let's bring the hottest to mow the lawn. I think this would be a win-win for everyone, right? Just imagine all the large chested Latina's you'd see in two weeks if this was enacted. Shit, I'm calling into Dicky Durbin's office right now to suggest this.

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Feux Follets says

When you have 144 job openings at Mar-A-Lago and only one gets filled by a native born American - what does that tell you ?

Patrick says

But if the point was that wages for working but poor US citizens have been driven downward by twelve million illegals hiding in plain sight, then I totally agree and apologize for my misinterpretation.

Silly Patrick, adding 12M unskilled laborers to the labor supply has no impact on wages.

Only Bible Thumping Gun Totting rednecks believe supply and demand are related. It's just an excuse to hate because they're racist.

Feux Follets says

When you have 144 job openings at Mar-A-Lago and only one gets filled by a native born American - what does that tell you ?

That american's dont want to work for minimum wage when they can get EBT, Disability, and other "assistance" without working and stay home and smoke weed and play video games.

It's difficult to jail them all, there still needs to be proven that they knew about it. Just because we don't like this practice doesn't mean we can in this case abolish the rule of law. So the hiring manager as he must know that the person is illegal. If there is proof that he was directed to do so, then others involved as well. But the hiring manager/HR has the duty to vet those people and quit their job and blow the whistle if the company instructs them to do illegal things.

Immediate death penalty for hiring an illegal alien!!!

mell says

there still needs to be proven that they knew about it.

Is e verify broken?

Booger says

mell says

there still needs to be proven that they knew about it.

Is e verify broken?

I doubt that the CEO looks at e-verify. The hiring manager def needs to, as well as HR.

Tim Aurora says

Make sure you include Trump as many of his properties employ illegal aliens.

This seems unlikely, since his haters would certainly be all over that in an instant.

mell says

But the hiring manager/HR has the duty to vet those people and quit their job and blow the whistle if the company instructs them to do illegal things.

There should be a huge reward for employees blowing the whistle on illegal employers.

Patrick says

There should be a huge reward for employees blowing the whistle on illegal employers.

You mean like Snowden's reward ?

I was thinking of something more rewarding than exile to Russia.

(BTW, Snowden deserves the Medal of Honor for exposing warrantless mass spying by the US government on its own citizens.)

How do employers verify immigration status? Is there a standart routine? Is everybody checked?

Just wondering. My wife and I have always been checked, but we have accents. What is the experience of the native, Caucasian Americans here?

They usually ask if I have a US passport and then ask me to bring it in upon starting work. Then someone from HR glances at it to make sure it's my name and photo in there. That's about it in my own experience.

Not sure what would happen if I didn't have a passport.

someone else says

Tim Aurora says

Make sure you include Trump as many of his properties employ illegal aliens.

This seems unlikely, since his haters would certainly be all over that in an instant.

Right. The Safest Assumption is that Trump is very altruistic and everything he does is legal, and he loves and cares about me and my country

Unlike that Communist Jive Nigger Obama and Insane Criminal Clinton

errc says

The Safest Assumption is that Trump is very altruistic and everything he does is legal

I never said that.

I just said that Trump is easily the most investigated president, ever, and it's not realistic to think that the potential that he employs illegals would go uninvestigated for even a moment.

Also note that in spite of all that investigation for more than a year by the mainstream media and the FBI, not a bit of evidence has been found against him yet. That leads me to think there is probably nothing significant to be found.

rando says

I just said that Trump is easily the most investigated president, ever, and it's not realistic to think that the potential that he employs illegals would go uninvestigated for even a moment.

Not sure that's at all accurate. He's had one investigation. Reagan had multiple. Clinton had multiple.

I mean the press, mostly.

If Trump had any dirt on him, he'd be impeached by now. He's had the largest magnifying glass ever focused on a U.S president on him for over a year and literally NOTHING has been found.

As for penalties, I would say up to 1 year in prison and a $5,000 fine per employee. Enforced at the Federal level obviously.

Goran_K says

up to 1 year in prison

OK, but for whom exactly? The hiring manager?

Seize assets, just like other crimes.

If Harvey the Contractor with his F150, two new table saws, bolt cutters, sledgehammers, Craftsman Tools - wants to hire illegals to assist him, guess what? All going to the ICE Auction.

Do the same to Vineyards and the few hidden LA sweatshops. Vincent van Rochefort III and his grapes, along with Ho Lee Fuk, are all taking their acreage, oak barrels, and sewing machines to the great DHS Auction. Great deal for honest American businessmen looking for a good price on equipment to start a legit business.

How much jail time is appropriate for employers of illegal aliens?

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Good question. How do we usually determine the punishment for crimes here in the States?

If you are black, and selling single cigarettes without a permit, you could be punishable by death on the spot.

What if you’re wearing a hoodie and walking home in the dark, and don’t wish to interact with an insane homicidal maniac gun toting wackjob like George Zimmerman, the punishment is death.

If you’re sick and you decide to take it upon yourself (personal responsibility!) to grow some flowers in your house that make you feel better, then LEO can kick down your door, murder/assualt you and steal all your belongings along with your dignity and sense of Liberty and Freedom that makes you an American, and put you in jail for decades.


So what would be the equivalent for employing illegal Mexicanfuck Immigrants?

Patrick says

OK, but for whom exactly? The hiring manager?

Well most companies who hire illegal aliens tend to be single proprietorship rather than multinationals. Their HR processes often screen out illegals compared to your local "Bob's Burger Joint".

So I'd hit the owners since they tend to be the final say in small business decisions.

errc says

Good question. How do we usually determine the punishment for crimes here in the States?

Story: If you are black, and selling single cigarettes without a permit, you could be punishable by death on the spot.
Fact: Died while resisting arrest while being grossly overweight and in bad health.

Story: What if you’re wearing a hoodie and walking home in the dark, and don’t wish to interact with an insane homicidal maniac gun toting wackjob like George Zimmerman, the punishment is death.
Fact: Died while attacking a legally armed citizen and continuing to punch his head into the pavement and being shot in self defense.

Goran_K says

Fact: Died while attacking a legally armed citizen and continuing to punch his head into the pavement and being shot in self defense.

After robbing a house a short time before. The Media covered that up big league.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

Also his own mother didn't even know what he liked, she was too busy putting her oversized ass on Tindr. She literally had no clue if he liked planes or cars or whatever.

"He dindu nuffin'" - he was well on his way

What jail sentence for people not reporting somebody they know is hiring illegal aliens?

What about people not reporting illigals, working or not? An extra year for giving food to an illegal?

What about people not reporting people who do not report people who are hirring illegals?

If we are gonna enhance the police state, let's do it properly. Perhaps we can learn from how Stasi was conducting business?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

"He dindu nuffin'" - he was well on his way

Obama's son was definitely not a pure fruit that the media tried to portray him as. He had a troubled past, that's for sure. It's unfortunate his life ended the way it did, but was totally justified.

someone else says

Tim Aurora says

Make sure you include Trump as many of his properties employ illegal aliens.

This seems unlikely, since his haters would certainly be all over that in an instant.

Exactly.

If that was true, CNN and MSNBC would have it plastered on the screen, 24/7

Unfortunately, It doesn't stop the TDS crowd from spewing those lies.