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"The planet keeps heating up and melting ice at a "frightening" pace."

By HEYYOU following x   2018 Feb 25, 10:40am 3,136 views   51 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


“The temperatures in the Arctic are off the chart. This matters for the rest of us because this is the time of year when the Arctic ice should be growing. But it isn’t growing like it should. So, this summer, there will be less ice and more open waters that will lead to more warming.”

https://thinkprogress.org/record-arctic-temperatures-85b0c287a78b/

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12   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 26, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The oceans used to lap the Sierra nevadas eons ago.
13   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 26, 9:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
You'll never convince the deniers until your computer forecasts of doom actually match the real world of facts and science.


We were not talking of forecasts, but direct measures of what is going on NOW.

This is what you are denying, not the forecasts.
14   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 26, 10:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Of course it's growing. It's called winter. Happens every year.

Tell that to the o p.
The fact is that the ice melts and freezes every year. Can any of you alarmists tell me why this is so Alarming?
15   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 26, 10:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
We were not talking of forecasts, but direct measures of what is going on NOW.

Please tell me why "what is going on NOW" is so alarming?
16   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 26, 10:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Manhattan and Florida are still above water. No wetbulb deaths yet this year. The storms are mild. Can you alarmists give it a rest?
If not, what is the ideal temperature for human habitation? No answer? Why not?
17   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 26, 12:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Please tell me why "what is going on NOW" is so alarming?


Obviously because these are huge changes. The accumulation of these for decades is scary - unless you are blissfully unaware and denying.
18   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 26, 1:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says

Obviously because these are huge changes.

The climate is always changing unless one denies the medieval warming period, the roman warm period, the little ice age, natural climate variations, and history.
Heraclitusstudent says
The accumulation of these for decades

How can "huge changes" accumulate for a century and add up to less than a foot of sea rise and two degrees of temperature?

Chicken Little (from the fable not the movie) would be proud of the alarmists.
19   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 26, 2:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
How can "huge changes" accumulate for a century and add up to less than a foot of sea rise and two degrees of temperature?


If you don't deny what's happening and look forward, it's much worse.
22   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 26, 7:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
and look forward, it's much worse.


23   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 27, 2:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Manhattan and Florida are still above water.


Arctic ice is is already floating in the water. Melting it won't change the sea level. Ice on land melting changes the sea level. Didn't you ever use ice in a glass before?
24   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 27, 3:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Arctic ice is is already floating in the water. Melting it won't change the sea level.


This statement seems to indicate you believe the only ice melting is already in the water.
And that sea level is the only possible problem caused by GW.
25   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 27, 5:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
bob2356 says
Of course it's growing. It's called winter. Happens every year.

Tell that to the o p.
The fact is that the ice melts and freezes every year. Can any of you alarmists tell me why this is so Alarming?


Less freezes every year. There is more open water longer. There are many reasons why this matters. Feel free to do a little research on the subject. Try using a program called google. It's pretty new so I"m not surprised you haven't heard of it yet.
26   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 27, 5:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says


Arctic ice is is already floating in the water. Melting it won't change the sea level. Ice on land melting changes the sea level.

The ice pushing down the land will melt and push down the ocean floor.
Some alarmists are ridiculous.

The sea is not rising significantly. The temperature has flatlined for a long time. The hockey stick has been debunked. The arctic ice is growing right now. And even though the alarmists predicted catastrophic effects WOULD be caused by spiking temperatures they had to rename the hoax to climate change because the world is not warming as the gigo computer models predicted.
27   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 27, 5:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

How Hansen's Famous 1988 "Sweaty" Testimony was engineered, down to scheduling it for the historically hottest day of the year:

TIMOTHY WIRTH: We called the Weather Bureau and found out what historically was the hottest day of the summer. Well, it was June 6th or June 9th or whatever it was. So we scheduled the hearing that day, and bingo, it was the hottest day on record in Washington, or close to it.

DEBORAH AMOS: [on camera] Did you also alter the temperature in the hearing room that day?

TIMOTHY WIRTH: What we did is that we went in the night before and opened all the windows, I will admit, right, so that the air conditioning wasn’t working inside the room. And so when the- when the hearing occurred, there was not only bliss, which is television cameras and double figures, but it was really hot.[Shot of witnesses at hearing]

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hotpolitics/etc/script.html
28   HEYYOU   ignore (17)   2018 Feb 27, 7:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You stupid Republicans need to STFU.
President Donald J. Trump knows more than his dumb ass voters/supporters.

"By signing the bill, Trump also ordered a report on “vulnerabilities to military installations” that climate change could cause in the next 20 years."

“A three-foot rise in sea levels will threaten the operations of more than 128 United States military sites, and it is possible that many of these at-risk bases could be submerged in the coming years,” it continues. “In the Arctic, the combination of melting sea ice, thawing permafrost, and sea-level rise is eroding shorelines, which is damaging radar and communication installations, runways, seawalls, and training areas.”

"Secretary of defense James Mattis is quoted saying that the consequences of climate change “impact our security situation.” Gordon Sullivan, former chief of staff of the US Army, is quoted as saying climate change will “lead to instability in geopolitics and impact American military operations around the world.”

There's plenty more about Trump's concern for Climate Change.
Once again Republicans have nothing after Trump left them with nothing.
They are proud of their ignorance. I guess that's something.

https://qz.com/1154531/trumps-new-defense-bill-includes-a-dire-warning-on-climate-change/
29   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 27, 8:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Less freezes every year.


and according to Al Gore, it should already be completely gone:



Oops.

bob2356 says
There are many reasons why this matters.


True, but all those reasons are based on lies, hoaxes and spin.
30   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 28, 7:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says
as the permafrost starts to warm.

How warm is the permafrost and when do you expect it to melt?
31   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 28, 7:28am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says

“A three-foot rise in sea levels will threaten the operations of more than 128 United States military sites,

And a five foot rise will cover Florida and Manhattan. The IPCC says maybe (maybe) a foot or three by 2100. Most of us will be too dead to check the accuracy of these predictions.
33   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 28, 10:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_cf6c6 says
bob2356 says
There are many reasons why this matters.


True, but all those reasons are based on lies, hoaxes and spin.


Google doesn't work for you either? Odd.
34   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 28, 10:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
The ice pushing down the land will melt and push down the ocean floor.
Some alarmists are ridiculous


Maybe you should look at what the study actually says instead of the headlines in the right wing echo chamber. No, why would anyone do that. Sea floor sinking will be about 5% of sea rise. Some deniers are ridiculous
35   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 28, 10:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

anon_4a961 says
Interesting video from those fake news people at NASA.

The most disturbing part of that video is the complete lack of snow in the northern hemisphere.
36   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 28, 10:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yeah, don't worry be happy.

Or as republitards like to say, "yeah, climate changes. What ya gonnado ? Who knows what the optimal temperature for humans is anyway ? Maybe if the coastal cities flood and the oceans die that will be good for humans, or if not us for artificial sentient beings that are superior to us anyway. The alarmists need to just calm down. We should just go with the flow. At least that's what my overlords have programmed me to say.
37   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 28, 10:53am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Didn't read one comment here. For fucks sake, why is there another climate change thread? Can't we just keep it to one? Should be allowed to merge threads if you ask me. Seeing 4-5 of these a week is annoying.

If CO2 is the problem (I make no claim it is or isn't) then we need to start killing people. It's about as simple as that. So instead of whining about the problem, someone needs to come out with the ONLY solution to CO2 reduction, kill people. Deniers will have a problem because, well, they might be part of the population we need to wipe out. Believers will just say it's fossil fuel, tax them and the people that use it. Guess what, HUMANS create CO2. To reduce CO2 we need to reduce humans.

I don't want to get involved in a climate change thread, but would love for someone to tell me how we can reduce CO2 at the same pace we are creating people? Fact is, people are bad for the earth. They're poison. This isn't even disputable. No one is winning the argument here. All you're doing is punching someone in the face... at some point you'll realize you're punching a mirror.
38   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 28, 10:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
The temperatures in the Arctic are off the chart. This matters for the rest of us because this is the time of year when the Arctic ice should be growing. But it isn’t growing like it should. So, this summer, there will be less ice and more open waters that will lead to more warming.”

The original thinkprogress.org implication was that the ice is melting. The reality is the ice is growing this time of year.

Yesterday we had 14.167 million square kilometers of sea ice extent. In 1979, at the height of the last polar sea ice extent, when the satellite records began, we had 16.58 million square kilometers. 40 years and a 16% decrease.
The summertime low sea ice extent was 7.55 million square kilometers in September 1980. Last summer the low was at 4.636 million square kilometers. An alarming decrease of 40% over 40 years! 1% per year!
Fortunately (unfortunately if you don't like cold) the ice is coming back. In 2012 the arctic sea ice extent bottomed out at 3.387 million square kilometers. Since then the summer sea ice has rebounded by 27%! (Please check my math)

So what is the goal of the alarmists? They twist some warm weather at the north pole into a story of doomed ice even though at the same time the ice is growing.
39   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Feb 28, 12:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says

The most disturbing part of that video is the complete lack of snow in the northern hemisphere.


It's some kind of animation, just of arctic ice fluctuations in arctic ocean. It's not photos, the thickness is analyzed using some other technology.
40   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Feb 28, 4:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

anon_b6af7 says
It's some kind of animation, just of arctic ice fluctuations in arctic ocean. It's not photos, the thickness is analyzed using some other technology.

You mean that it's not really a video of the north pole melting? An alarmist video is faked? There is still snow in the northern hemisphere?

I'm shocked!

Sarcasm is difficult with the written word. We need a sarcasm tag.
41   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 1, 6:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Feux Follets says


This is the same mentality

Alarmist never answer questions that upset their narrative of doom.
42   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 1, 6:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
You mean that it's not really a video of the north pole melting? An alarmist video is faked? There is still snow in the northern hemisphere?


You mean that since technology other than the naked eye has been used to track the thickness of arctic ice, ACC deniers are going to call it fake news ?

Now I'm shocked.
43   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 1, 6:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Yesterday we had 14.167 million square kilometers of sea ice extent. In 1979, at the height of the last polar sea ice extent, when the satellite records began, we had 16.58 million square kilometers. 40 years and a 16% decrease.
The summertime low sea ice extent was 7.55 million square kilometers in September 1980. Last summer the low was at 4.636 million square kilometers. An alarming decrease of 40% over 40 years! 1% per year!
Fortunately (unfortunately if you don't like cold) the ice is coming back. In 2012 the arctic sea ice extent bottomed out at 3.387 million square kilometers. Since then the summer sea ice has rebounded by 27%! (Please check my math)


Your math means nothing. 2012 was an outlier year, cherry picking off of it doesn't meany anything. Post a trend line if you know what that is.

Onvacation says

You mean that it's not really a video of the north pole melting? An alarmist video is faked? There is still snow in the northern hemisphere?


The ultimate denier bullshit. OMG there is still cold weather somewhere so there can't be warming. Let's pretend scientist are saying global warming means we will be taking tropical vacations in murmansk. You really can't come up with anything better than that lame bullshit?
44   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 1, 7:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says


Your math means nothing. 2012 was an outlier year, cherry picking off of it doesn't meany anything.

And 1979 was at the end of a cooling period and ice was at a maximum.
The ice is not all melting.
45   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 1, 7:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says

Your math means nothing.

I know. Facts are a bitch, aren't they?
46   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 1, 10:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
You really can't come up with anything better than that lame bullshit?

How bout
The sky is falling!
47   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 6, 10:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You guys do know I'm Jeff Bezos, right?

That will be necessary to save the Earth, because without being able to expand into space, human civilization will have to contract, he said at a conference in Los Angeles in November.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/03/06/how-much-jeff-bezos-worth-centibillionaire-wealth/352082002/

Pretty much the last paragraph he drops what is the realistic bomb that is our human race and sphere we're spinning on. (it's quoted above if you don't want to clicky the linky)
48   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 7, 7:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

JeffBezos says
That will be necessary to save the Earth, because without being able to expand into space, human civilization will have to contract,

Finally the truth. They don't want to ban co2. They want to ban people!
49   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 7, 9:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
JeffBezos says
That will be necessary to save the Earth, because without being able to expand into space, human civilization will have to contract,

Finally the truth. They don't want to ban co2. They want to ban people!


Damn, I should have added Bezos says to the quote. Oh well.

In all seriousness though. Likely won't happen in our lifetime, but you can call it CO2, water vapor, nitrogen, helium, methane, dumpster fire or whatever, but humans literally are the problem. We can have all the solar panel and wind farm we want (which I'm for). We can regulate every man, women and child on what they throw away or even regiment utility usage on a monthly basis to reduce the "problems."

The problem is humans. I'm actually a little surprised Bezos calls it like it is. The more people there are the more money he makes. But he's likely exiting this place long before it becomes a legit problem for him. So it was strange to see him literally quoted saying "human civilization will have to contract." It's solution a, b & c or 1, 2 & 3. People need to either die off somehow or be killed if there's a long term future.

This folks is why I hate climate change threads. There's no winners in the debate. Realistically, it's just dead people.
50   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 7, 11:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
bob2356 says


Your math means nothing. 2012 was an outlier year, cherry picking off of it doesn't meany anything.

And 1979 was at the end of a cooling period and ice was at a maximum.
The ice is not all melting.


Really, 1979 the end of a cooling period? I don't think so. Here are 3 different data sets, Hadley met office, Nasa, and Hadley field service for extent (solid lines) and area (dotted). I can't see 1979 as the end of a cooling period. Want to find it for me?

51   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 7, 11:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Hadley met office, Nasa, and Hadley field service

Hadley is an alarmist site.
You do know that the summer of 2017 had the eighth not the first, not the second, not even in the top five; 2017 had the eighth lowest sea ice extent in the 39 years that the satellite has been monitoring?

The ice is not all melting.

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