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Orange County's Spitzer Views Homeless People as Sub-Human Species


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2018 Feb 26, 9:47am   11,850 views  57 comments

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#ToddSpitzerScum

"there is no way we are going to allow Orange County land that is supposed to be used by residents to be occupied by the homeless"
"But I’m not going to intermingle this population with property owners, are you kidding?"

What a douche.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/26/los-angeles-burbs-crack-down-on-huge-homeless-camp-near-disneyland-fearing-new-skid-row.html

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1   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 26, 9:49am  

Trash trucks and contractors in hazmat gear have descended on the camp and so far removed 250 tons of trash, 1,100 pounds of human waste and 5,000 hypodermic needles.


No risk to Public Health there.
2   Tenpoundbass   2018 Feb 26, 9:52am  

Liberals are the subhuman species they foster and encourage mass homelessness and shitting on the streets, plus they worry if they have enough needles for their drugs, and have enough condoms for their unlawful sodomy sex.
Despicable motherfuckers the whole fetid lot of them.
Especially registered Liberals. (shudders) creeps me out man!
3   NuttBoxer   2018 Feb 26, 9:58am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
No risk to Public Health there.


Who is the public?
4   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2018 Feb 26, 10:00am  

NuttBoxer says
#ToddSpitzerScum

"there is no way we are going to allow Orange County land that is supposed to be used by residents to be occupied by the homeless"
"But I’m not going to intermingle this population with property owners, are you kidding?"

What a douche.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/26/los-angeles-burbs-crack-down-on-huge-homeless-camp-near-disneyland-fearing-new-skid-row.html


I can only surmise that you haven’t seen this homeless encampment that is just outside the Angel Stadium parking lot.

It’s a disgusting gross place of extreme despair.

If you have a better solution, there are people listening.
5   Ceffer   2018 Feb 26, 10:40am  

Unchecked immigration and introducing them to the bounty, kindness and opportunities of our country will solve this problem.
6   NuttBoxer   2018 Feb 26, 10:51am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
I can only surmise that you haven’t seen this homeless encampment that is just outside the Angel Stadium parking lot.


No, is seeing a requirement to deciding if these people are humans or not?
7   NuttBoxer   2018 Feb 26, 10:59am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
If you have a better solution, there are people listening.


The church in America needs to stop spending money on giant screens and worship bands, and start taking care of the poor and needy in their neighborhoods. I blame government a lot, but the church is really the first line of failure here. Of course getting rid of all government waste would stabilize the economy, and have kept many of these people from being homeless to start with. And lastly, legalize all drugs. Let the addicts OD and rid themselves of the life they so despise. And lastly, back to the community, engage these people, don't shun them. If you offer them help, you have a right to ask them to keep your community clean. I'm not saying enable them, but at least take the problem head on, instead of sweeping them into someone else's backyard(which is exactly what will happen here).

You should read Grapes of Wrath sometime.
8   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2018 Feb 26, 11:09am  

NuttBoxer says
CovfefeButDeadly says
If you have a better solution, there are people listening.


The church in America needs to stop spending money on giant screens and worship bands, and start taking care of the poor and needy in their neighborhoods. I blame government a lot, but the church is really the first line of failure here. Of course getting rid of all government waste would stabilize the economy, and have kept many of these people from being homeless to start with. And lastly, legalize all drugs. Let the addicts OD and rid themselves of the life they so despise. And lastly, back to the community, engage these people, don't shun them. If you offer them help, you have a right to ask them to keep your community clean. I'm not saying enable them, but at least take the problem head on, instead of sweeping them into someone else's backyard(which is exactly what will happen here).

You should rea...


You are wrong about the churches. Just because its not in the media doesn't mean they don't do regular work. Every church I've attended, from small community churches with a few hundred members, to the huge Calvary Chapel churches all have run a food pantry and done deliveries to local families in need, And then of course theres the Salvation Army which actively houses homeless and attempts to rehabilitate.

I think you are underestimating how severely difficult it is to rehab the homeless. A local pastor who runs a couple of the programs at Weingart center in downtown LA http://weingart.org/ estimated that about 1 in 25 people who enter his program actually complete it to the point where they get a job and residence(and some still subsequently fail).

What they do in fact do is have various faux non profits, subsidized by the govt, who help them get onto general relief, state and SSN disability, etc and backdoor refer them to the local drug dealer who pays kickbacks to the faux non profit worker, and then sell drugs to the formerly homeless person once they receive their monthly check. In some instances the homeless person actually subleases an SRO unit to someone else for more drug money and they themselves are back on the street.

Its a cycle that wont be broken until the govt money is taken out of the equation.

I agree with you on the drug legalization. It would remove a lot of the problem(of course you would have to resume arresting people for committing crimes while on drugs...california now has such lax laws that this frequently does not happen.

The more immediate issue is the nuisance and quality of life issue the encampment in OC was creating. The question was, do you remove the encampment and its various health and quality of life issues, or do you let it stay and fester and grow even more. I know what solution I agree with.
9   Ceffer   2018 Feb 26, 11:16am  

Nobody even has demographics on these people. A lot of them are just the "one way ticket" to California vagabonds who are told they get sunshine and a welfare check out here. Of course, the drug pipelines are wide open, too. You can see them coming in with their backpacks along the boulevards.

I watched from my gym window as homeless people parked their junk on a couple of bus benches and simply took them by adverse possession. The people actually taking the bus had to stand a few feet away and run when the bus arrived. I saw at least eight different homeless milling about, and a stack of homeless shit abandoned across the street on the sidewalk next to a supermarket. If you make any kind of eye contact with any of them, they immediately start beelining toward you to panhandle.
10   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2018 Feb 26, 12:31pm  

Ceffer says
Nobody even has demographics on these people. A lot of them are just the "one way ticket" to California vagabonds who are told they get sunshine and a welfare check out here. Of course, the drug pipelines are wide open, too. You can see them coming in with their backpacks along the boulevards.

I watched from by gym window as homeless people parked their junk on a couple of bus benches and simply took them by adverse possession. The people actually taking the bus had to stand a few feet away and run when the bus arrived. I saw at least eight different homeless milling about, and a stack of homeless shit abandoned across the street on the sidewalk next to a supermarket. If you make any kind of eye contact with any of them, they immediately start beelining toward you to panhandle.


The only way to end this is to arrest those homeless and make their lives difficult by removing the govt money.

The Democrat politicians, starting with asshole mayor of los angeles eric cuckcetti, fundamentally believe in a combination of Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky. They believe that individual property rights should not be allowed(except hypocritically for themselves and their friends), that personal property is an issue of marginal or no importance(again except for themselves) and they believe in never letting a political opportunity go to waste. So they play the indigent and homeless as pawns and let them continue to suffer until they can get political pay out of whatever they decide to do with the homeless. It sucks for consituents, especially the poor.

You ever want to see in real life what the pigs from Animal Farm look like?
11   NuttBoxer   2018 Feb 26, 1:32pm  

CovfefeButDeadly says
The question was, do you remove the encampment and its various health and quality of life issues


Some good points. I grew up in the Protestant church, my Dad was a youth pastor for many years. I remember a lot of fake people, and church leadership that just wanted to create a group of followers(of them, not God). Those churches might pay lip service to Christ's mandate, but nothing more. If the church was doing it's job, these encampments wouldn't exist, at least not in such a dirty state.

Your question quoted above is incorrectly stated. "The question was, do you move the encampment". Because, as you stated yourself, these people won't stop being homeless because you roust them out, they'll just do it somewhere else. And I for one, disagree with kicking the can down the road. Not to mention the criminalization of being poor.
12   mell   2018 Feb 26, 1:58pm  

NuttBoxer says
CovfefeButDeadly says
The question was, do you remove the encampment and its various health and quality of life issues


Some good points. I grew up in the Protestant church, my Dad was a youth pastor for many years. I remember a lot of fake people, and church leadership that just wanted to create a group of followers(of them, not God). Those churches might pay lip service to Christ's mandate, but nothing more. If the church was doing it's job, these encampments wouldn't exist, at least not in such a dirty state.

Your question quoted above is incorrectly stated. "The question was, do you move the encampment". Because, as you stated yourself, these people won't stop being homeless because you roust them out, they'll just do it somewhere else. And I for one, disagree with kicking the can down the road. Not to mention the criminalization of being poor.

Agreed but then it's obvious. End all unskilled immigration that cannot pay for itself NOW! Until the US can take care of its already resident homeless.
13   RC2006   2018 Feb 26, 2:20pm  

Homeless cant be allowed to concentrate and build camps. My road bike friend was riding on the bike path by that camp and had a bunch of people try to trap him with shopping carts to rob him. Its like all those videos of people trying to stop cars in Brazil, that's what it's turning into.
14   Goran_K   2018 Feb 26, 2:21pm  

Leftist/Democrats: Society is cruel, we need to take care NuttBoxer says
The church in America needs to stop spending money on giant screens and worship bands, and start taking care of the poor and needy in their neighborhoods.


The largest mega church in Orange County has an annual budget of $36,000,000, Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California lead by Pastor Rick Warren.

The University of North Carolina did an experiment 3 years ago where they attempted to gauge the cost of homelessness. Moore Place has 120 units, and was built at a cost of $12,000,000 (not counting staffing and maintenance cost per year). So to house 120 homeless people, it cost an instant $12,000,000 hit, and whatever the continuing cost will be to keep the property, maintain it (utilities, meals, etc), and fully staff it. These startup costs are much cheaper in North Carolina than they are in Orange County.

According to Census and County data, there are 4,792 homeless people in the county as of 2017.

Just thought I'd add some perspective to this whole debate.
15   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 26, 3:17pm  

Free, Free, FREE my pretties, my pretty ugly crazy people.

Stand proudly before the Bus Stop. Drop your bloody needles in the park! Shit all over the street!

Forcibly putting them in Wards to service their mental illness or addiction is PATRIARCHAL AUTHORITARIANISM! Let them sleep in the cold and piss on the street in FREEDOM! and LIBERTY!
16   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 26, 3:25pm  

On the West Coast you've got serious Drainbow People.

We gotta use the CCTVs to stop the ACLU, because they'll go to the judge and say "Johnny is a good guy, he's reasonable, he can just voluntarily take his meds."
City Council Rep: "Your honor, here's footage of Johnny popping on the sidewalk while screaming at the street cleaners about Phish."
"Oh, fuck that. Get outta here, ACLU."
17   Ceffer   2018 Feb 26, 4:06pm  

See what happens when you export your liberal compassion to your local libby neighborhood (Cali crap shacks 800k or so):

"that approved this program and local police officers. Please call and complain that this program should not be in a residential neighborhood. It is a safety issue. They say they screen these people but they continue to get in many fights, smoke pot and do other drugs and now a stabbing just this am. Who know how many sex offenders also are on the premises. What next has to happen before they will move this program elsewhere, maybe a commercial area with no families or children. I worry there will be a shooting here next. This is a sweet neighborhood and I worry about our children. At what expense do we help the homeless? Please if any of you can call any of those numbers to express your concerns. Thank you . I have reported this information to the police."

This spot was nearly right across the street from a grammar school.
18   Shaman   2018 Feb 26, 4:09pm  

How much work must be done to care for people who won’t care for themselves? Because that’s the real issue. If you give these homeless their own apartments, they’ll become shit holes. If you give them jobs they won’t keep them and just walk away. If you clean them up they’ll get dirty again. And they’ll be a blight upon anywhere they settle.

A home owner in LA recently allowed mabybe a dozen homeless to make camp in his back yard. They quickly turned it dirty, cluttered, dangerous, and loud. His neighbors are absolutely fed up with the constant noise and disruption, the drug deals, and the casual stealing.

If you truly care about the homeless, invite a few to live with you. I promise you, you’ll change your mind fast.
19   mell   2018 Feb 26, 4:13pm  

Quigley says
How much work must be done to care for people who won’t care for themselves? Because that’s the real issue. If you give these homeless their own apartments, they’ll become shit holes. If you give them jobs they won’t keep them and just walk away. If you clean them up they’ll get dirty again. And they’ll be a blight upon anywhere they settle.

A home owner in LA recently allowed mabybe a dozen homeless to make camp in his back yard. They quickly turned it dirty, cluttered, dangerous, and loud. His neighbors are absolutely fed up with the constant noise and disruption, the drug deals, and the casual stealing.

If you truly care about the homeless, invite a few to live with you. I promise you, you’ll change your mind fast.


That's why they should have low-cost facilities, maybe trailer or tent parks, and everybody needs to work on them and participate and follow the rules, otherwise it's jail time. But most importantly stop taking in more dependent people until you can take care of your own citizens! The irony that those leftoid coastal towns open the flood-gates and then make homelessness a crime without having any solution or facilities for the already native homeless citizens.
20   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 26, 4:30pm  

Quigley says
How much work must be done to care for people who won’t care for themselves? Because that’s the real issue. If you give these homeless their own apartments, they’ll become shit holes. If you give them jobs they won’t keep them and just walk away. If you clean them up they’ll get dirty again. And they’ll be a blight upon anywhere they settle.


Yuuup. They can't care for themselves.

Even if they're not a few cans short of a 6 pack, they still lack the plastic shit that holds them all together.

mell says

That's why they should have low-cost facilities, maybe trailer or tent parks, and everybody needs to work on them and participate and follow the rules, otherwise it's jail time

Triage is step one. Who is batshit crazy, Who is kinda crazy, and who just needs to little kick in the pants from time to time.

Batshit Crazy to the large Mental Facilities. That will immediately remove about 10% of the absolutely incorrigible and unredeemable homeless from the streets who probably cause at least half the problems.

Cutting down the grass in the Median, wiping off the benches, emptying the trash cans for a training wage for others. Bring back the CCC.
21   anonymous   2018 Feb 26, 4:33pm  

mell says
and everybody needs to work on them


Arbeit macht frei!
22   anonymous   2018 Feb 26, 4:34pm  

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23   anonymous   2018 Feb 26, 4:34pm  

24   Ceffer   2018 Feb 26, 4:39pm  

For all the people who yammer about legalizing drugs, offer the homeless a camp. They have to sign away their legal rights and freedoms, like soldiers do in the military, and subject themselves to different tribunals. If they agree to sterilization, provide them in the encampment with all the drugs, alcohol and cigarettes they want whenever they want provided by government dispensaries on site that are tightly monitored to otherwise prevent diversion. Shelter, food, but no extraordinary medical or emergency care if they overdose.

If they want broader freedom and re-entry, make them earn it through monitoring and meaningful participation in recovery and re-entry programs following at least a year of documented sobriety.

Drugs are in essence extremely cheap. Alcohol costs very little to make, alcohol and tobacco are only expensive because of taxation. Narcotics are not that expensive, and meth and speed are cheap to make. Give them what they want as much as they want, but off the streets, and neutralize the corruptions and aberrations of the drug economy. Most of them are dying, anyway, and it is about as humane to let them commit suicide the way they want as anything.
25   mell   2018 Feb 26, 4:50pm  

Ceffer says
For all the people who yammer about legalizing drugs, offer the homeless a camp. They have to sign away their legal rights and freedoms, like soldiers do in the military, and subject themselves to different tribunals. If they agree to sterilization, provide them in the encampment with all the drugs, alcohol and cigarettes they want whenever they want provided by government dispensaries on site that are tightly monitored to otherwise prevent diversion. Shelter, food, but no extraordinary medical or emergency care if they overdose.

If they want broader freedom and re-entry, make them earn it through monitoring and meaningful participation in recovery and re-entry programs following at least a year of documented sobriety.

Drugs are in essence extremely cheap. Alcohol costs very little to make, alcohol and tobacco are only expensive because of taxation. Narcotics are not that expensive, and meth and speed are cheap to make. Give them what they want as much as they want...


Full ACK! Most drugs can be produced so cheaply these days that the price becomes insignificant. Great write-up and this solution has been around forever, but neither Dems nor Repubs want to actually solve it.
26   lostand confused   2018 Feb 27, 4:51am  

So if you don't allow 5 homeless people into your home, allow them to shit everywhere shoot drugs up in front of you kids etc etc-then you view them as sub human filth????
27   Goran_K   2018 Feb 27, 8:40am  

Until I see liberal leftist showing "compassion" with their own wallets, instead of everyone else's, their sympathy rings hollow.
28   anonymous   2018 Feb 27, 8:42am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
anon_e0567 says
mell says
and everybody needs to work on them


Arbeit macht frei!


Fucking imbecile. You house the homeless on your street.


@Patrick how is this not ‘personal’?

I marked it as such and yet it reappeared.

Special privileges for those of a certain political leaning?
29   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 27, 8:46am  

errc says
I marked it as such and yet it reappeared.


That's My Fault. I thought the poster was referring to Spitzer.

By the Power of White Privilege, I shall send it back to Niflheim for the Glory of Vril-Ya.
30   anonymous   2018 Feb 27, 9:03am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
errc says
I marked it as such and yet it reappeared.


That's My Fault. I thought the poster was referring to Spitzer.

By the Power of White Privilege, I shall send it back to Niflheim for the Glory of Vril-Ya.


Funny, yea. Honest mistake, surely.

Except when I refer to Christians as Simpler than children, my post gets scrubbed because someone might take personal offense.

What a sad mess this has become.

At least it’s very equitable and fair-handed!
31   Goran_K   2018 Feb 27, 9:38am  

errc says
Except when I refer to Christians as Simpler than children, my post gets scrubbed because someone might take personal offense.


That's literally never happened on this board and I challenge you show where a post like that was scrubbed because of unfavorable comments towards Christians.
32   NuttBoxer   2018 Feb 27, 9:56am  

I don't agree with handouts, for anyone. It just creates dependency and inertia. I'd be willing to make an exception for certain hard luck cases, after much vetting, and with community accountability, nothing state or federal.

Christ's mandate to the church was not financial, it was about love and engagement. Yes, there are certainly churches that do this, but the opulence of many church buildings tells me they can do more.

There have always been homeless people, and that's not going to change, my post was to point out that record number of homeless people we are seeing, and as many have pointed out, in greater numbers, the bad ones get a chance to gang up and cause trouble. I believe many of these people had jobs in the past. But due to our shithole economy, they ended up on the streets. These people can be rehabilitated. But as long as we have a socialist government sucking the life out of everyone, that's not going to happen.
33   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 27, 9:59am  

Some can be rehabilitated, some are permanently mentally ill for which there is no cure, and a few are jobless because illegals have taken over many menial jobs and are willing to work for peanuts, crushing wages. A good deal many are addicted.

Forcible institutionalization for the mentally ill and the addicted is the path forward.
34   anonymous   2018 Feb 27, 10:10am  

Goran_K says
errc says
Except when I refer to Christians as Simpler than children, my post gets scrubbed because someone might take personal offense.


That's literally never happened on this board and I challenge you show where a post like that was scrubbed because of unfavorable comments towards Christians.


Patrick did it himself, so yea it’s literally happened before.

It was in a comment reply to FortWayne where I suggested that Christians Grow up already and stop acting like children. Patrick said it was a personal attack on Fort Wayne lmao.

#Snowflakes
#Liars
35   anonymous   2018 Feb 27, 10:10am  

Goran_K says
errc says
Except when I refer to Christians as Simpler than children, my post gets scrubbed because someone might take personal offense.


That's literally never happened on this board and I challenge you show where a post like that was scrubbed because of unfavorable comments towards Christians.


How would one show where a post was scrubbed?

Is there evidence left behind after censorship?
36   Automan Empire   2018 Feb 27, 10:30am  

My business is zoned in the gritty industrial area of town, the same part that homeless "Shit Rolls Downhill" wind up occupying. After decades of daily experience, I have no illusions or sympathy.

There are do-gooder charities that give out care packages of food and clothes. This ends up concentrating increasing numbers of homeless, and maintaining them JUST ABOVE their rock bottom, in perpetuity. They cherry pick the canned goods and abandon the ones they don't want or can't trade (most of the package.) They wipe their ass on the carefully laundered and folded clothes and abandon those too.

Sometimes I'll witness a bunch of them languishing around the far reaches of a shopping center parking lot. Then, the heroin dealer pulls in and these people suddenly COME ALIVE and walk with determination to meet him.

It sucks coming back from a weekend to find someone has spent a great deal of time methodically going through everything in my parking lot, stealing and damaging things left and right. Recently in addition to obvious foraging, one left me a big pile of poop, inches from a stray paper plate and trash can, then stuffed the shitty paper towels into the wheel well of a customer's car.

Caltrans burns an absurd amount of money evicting homeless and bringing in a dump truck/skip loader combination and crew of men to clean out cubic yards of trash per homeless resident, only for the same people to return immediately and resume collecting absolute worthless trash and concentrating it where they camp.

Sometimes they will come onto my property and aggressively panhandle, then become rude and argumentative when declined. Having a smelly bum scream, "WHY DON'T YOU GO SUCK ON YOUR BABY'S PENIS?" in front of paying customers is REALLY BAD for business.

I may be a classic Liberal, but I'm practical as hell and very experienced with homeless people. Therefore, I feel NO sympathy, having suffered many lifetimes worth of Compassion Fatigue.
37   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2018 Feb 27, 10:59am  

Very practical automan empire. I lived in downtown LA for 3 years and had no illusions that my political views were shared by my neighbors. I read somewhere that 96 percent of DTLA voters voted for Obama in 2012. Yet within a few weeks of moving to DTLA everyone of my neighbors learned not to give change to homeless people. All it is is a marginal way to assuage guilt feelings. It’s neither helpful nor a moral good. The same thing goes for the govt money that rolls in. It’s almost as if some politicians are intent on creating a permanent underclass.
38   Goran_K   2018 Feb 27, 10:59am  

errc says
Patrick did it himself, so yea it’s literally happened before.

It was in a comment reply to FortWayne where I suggested that Christians Grow up already and stop acting like children. Patrick said it was a personal attack on Fort Wayne lmao.


Uh, so basically you called FortWayne a child? Direct personal attacks get scrubbed.

Learn the rules homie.
39   Strategist   2018 Feb 27, 11:01am  

NuttBoxer says
CovfefeButDeadly says
If you have a better solution, there are people listening.


The church in America needs to stop spending money on giant screens and worship bands, and start taking care of the poor and needy in their neighborhoods. I blame government a lot, but the church is really the first line of failure here.

The church does not care. When Houston was flooding, the church slammed the door shut on those needing shelter.

CovfefeButDeadly says

I think you are underestimating how severely difficult it is to rehab the homeless. A local pastor who runs a couple of the programs at Weingart center in downtown LA http://weingart.org/ estimated that about 1 in 25 people who enter his program actually complete it to the point where they get a job and residence(and some still subsequently fail).

This is proof enough that most homeless want to be homeless. Help those who want to be helped, and make life extremely miserable for those who don't want to be helped. No other way to cut down on the homeless.
40   Strategist   2018 Feb 27, 11:06am  

NuttBoxer says
Some good points. I grew up in the Protestant church, my Dad was a youth pastor for many years. I remember a lot of fake people, and church leadership that just wanted to create a group of followers(of them, not God). Those churches might pay lip service to Christ's mandate, but nothing more. If the church was doing it's job, these encampments wouldn't exist, at least not in such a dirty state.

Your question quoted above is incorrectly stated. "The question was, do you move the encampment".


Moving the encampment is same as spreading shit. You only end up stinking up more places. They should have designated areas that allow homeless camps.

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