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The Insanity Of The Left And Its New Spokesman


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2018 Feb 27, 10:36pm   13,262 views  60 comments

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From The Hill:

Stoneman Douglas student David Hogg on deputy who did not enter school during shooting: "Who wants to go down the barrel of an AR-15, even with a glock? And I know that's what these police officers are supposed to do, but they're people too."

So, media-annointed Mr. Spokesman, who "magically" got a checkmark on Twitter too all of a sudden, has decided that it's perfectly-acceptable to virtue signal when people fail to do the job they're hired to do.

Does anyone want to stare down the barrel of a firearm? Of course not. However, we hire some people to do exactly that, and we give them both guns and body armor to make it a somewhat more-reasonable fight if they are called upon to do so.

Let me point out that nobody is drafted into a copshop. People have been drafted to go to war. Today we don't, but David Hogg didn't live in a world where that could reasonably happen whereas I did; when I turned 18 the memory of people being drafted to go fight in Vietnam was still there and I still registered as required on my birthday. Did I like the idea of being conscripted? No, but if I had been I would have fought.

However, just like police officers, today many voluntarily join the military. Indeed, some of Hogg's classmates have joined the military on a deferred basis even though too young to enlist. We call them JROTC, and some are in Hogg's class. Those people all know that when they go through ROTC after becoming of age to get the benefits thereof they will be required to serve. All persons who wear the uniform of the armed forces may be called to fight, and that fight might get personal at some point in their military career, with them being shot at and needing to return fire in an attempt to avoid dying.

If you take upon yourself a job that has a known and agreed-upon risk of having to stare down a person who is using a firearm in an aggressive manner and who might seek to shoot you then you have voluntarily taken that up in exchange for money. If you fail to perform and other people die then in the military you can and will be charged under the UCMJ for cowardice before the enemy.

We absolutely must demand the same standard of cops; not only do they get a far more-cushy deal while employed they get a hell of a lot better deal in retirement than most military members do as well!

Indeed, why hasn't the media turned one of those ROTC kids into a spokesman? Oh wait - they tried to "flip" one and tamper with his questions and statement, and he told them (CNN) to ** off. Good for him. Notice how that story is being given the wall treatment and the media is lying about what they did?

Never mind that those who claim that you "can't" stop a bad guy with a rifle if all you have is a pistol are full of crap. You do remember the shooting at the ball field, right? Politicians gunned down by a guy with an SKS (rifle), taken out by cops with.... pistols. Oh, and that shooter was outdoors where he had tactical advantage that disappears and in fact becomes negative inside, with one of the most-profound differences being that if you fire a rifle indoors without hearing protection you're not going to hear anything for hours including the cop who now can close distance to you without you hearing him coming.

Mr. Hogg, ** off. You are making apologies for, it appears, not just one but four cowards. Further, you are making said apologies while said coward is using the power of his former office to evade mere questions from the media using armed thugs patrolling his house -- in fact there are many more armed officers protecting him from mere speech than your county could be bothered to put in your school despite a very-specific threat by Cruz to shoot it up.

The cowards of Broward must not only be forced from office they must be criminally charged.

Specifically, it appears that one or more of them is guilty of violating a felony Florida Statute, specifically 838.022, which declares that it is a felony to conceal, cover up, destroy, mutilate or alter any official record or document. Said corruption and felony may extend to members of the Palm Beach Sheriff's office as well.

These members of the so-called "Sheriffs office" would appear to have deliberately covered up that Cruz appears to have committed felonies that had been reported to them and were intentionally ignored, thereby concealing same.

It certainly appears they had a legal duty to refer said events for prosecution and did not do so intentionally.

Then, faced with the need to do their job and interdict said shooter they instead cowered outside.

There is no need for a Sheriff's Office nor any of the expenditures of taxpayer money for same if they're not going to do the damned jobs when the flag goes up.

Oh by the way Mr. Hogg, even the leftist media are starting to turn on the Sheriff. You're next, and I'm not the only one that's after you. Public opinion is a funny thing, and if you think those who have twisted facts and outright lied are going to quietly slither away into the night... you're wrong.
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1   CBOEtrader   2018 Feb 28, 12:19am  

Lionizng a 17 year old high school dweeb for being 300 yards from a murder scene and delivering CNN scripted lines is the pinnacle (and end) of our disingenous virtue signaling era.
2   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 12:55am  

"If I had [been there] I would have.."
How many times have I heard that?

There's so much one can learn about another from a few words.
3   RWSGFY   2018 Feb 28, 2:26am  

mell says
"Who wants to go down the barrel of an AR-15, even with a glock? And I know that's what these police officers are supposed to do, but they're people too."


You know who would gladly go down the barrel of an AR-15 with a Glock? The person who's already facing it empty-handed.
4   lostand confused   2018 Feb 28, 5:22am  

FBI daddy running a counter intelligence scam to deflect blame from the FBI? These scum won't stop from using their own kids-true scum.
5   CBOEtrader   2018 Feb 28, 5:25am  

Feux Follets says
Repeating a lie does not turn it into a truth.


You fundamentally miss the point.

Hogg does not represent 3200 students, much less all of red state FL. He was handpicked because he says CNN bullshit like "fuck Trump" and "politicians who accept NRA money have blood on their hands". Hogg's spotlite is an intentional manipulation. Hogg is #fakenews
6   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 6:38am  

The only insanity is the gun nuts becoming more and more desperate. They're really going to try to smear a kid who found a cause worth fighting for after almost getting killed? That's pretty much how the world works-when someone loses a daughter to a drunk driver they join MADD. When someone loses their wife to cancer, they become heavily involved in ACA.

Now, the gun crazies are going to try to make a kid look bad because he's fighting for what he believes in?? Are you kidding me? Isn't that the American Way?

I'm just glad that Americans are finally seeing the truth and realizing that the NRA is 100% run by the gun manufacturers. Seeing adults ridicule kids who were just almost murdered for speaking out on an issue that's near and dear to them shows the true colors of the NRA and gun nuts.

This issue is a HUGE win for Dems and hopefully it will continue to be debated and in the public for the next several months. (btw--another 2 Dems pickups last night in districts that Trump won in 2016. One was a 20 pt. swing)
7   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 6:39am  

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/28/gun-control-polling-parkland-430099

"Support for stricter gun laws has spiked in polls conducted after the fatal South Florida school shooting, hitting its highest level in at least a quarter-century.
Roughly two-in-three Americans now say gun control laws should be made more strict in the wake of the murder of 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, according to a number of polls, including a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll which shows support for stricter gun laws among registered voters at 68 percent, compared to just 25 percent who oppose stricter gun laws."
8   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 6:39am  

Lol at carl being so triggered by the comments of a 17yo kid.
9   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 7:59am  

Karl Denninger and Donald Trump would have run into the school unarmed and stopped the shooter, unlike the Failed Loser cops.

Too fucking funny, two old out of shape blowhards who would have pissed their pants and cried mommee!!
10   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 8:03am  

11   mell   2018 Feb 28, 8:06am  

errc says
Karl Denninger and Donald Trump would have run into the school unarmed and stopped the shooter, unlike the Failed Loser cops.

Too fucking funny, two old out of shape blowhards who would have pissed their pants and cried mommee!!


Don't now about DT but you're wrong about KD. He lost a lot of weight and is half the size from this old picture and runs a 7 and something minute mile which is excellent for his age. He's also firearm trained and I don't doubt for a seconds he would try to stop an armed invader. This is an old pic.
12   Y   2018 Feb 28, 8:20am  

Don't know about criminally charged but agree If they are found derelict in their duty they should be fired and lose all pension benefits...
mell says
The cowards of Broward must not only be forced from office they must be criminally charged.
13   Y   2018 Feb 28, 8:22am  

The rusk of losing his pension may have pushed that guy into the school
14   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 8:30am  

anon_8f378 says
including a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll


As soon as Liberals start quoting a Politico poll, they're already lost with the narrative.
15   Goran_K   2018 Feb 28, 8:33am  

anon_cf6c6 says
As soon as Liberals start quoting a Politico poll, they're already lost with the narrative.


I was going to say.

"For this poll Politico surveyed 872 individuals, 72% identified as democrat, 11% identified as republican, and 17% declined to identify with either political party."

Not biased or unbalanced at all!

You know what they say about polling models, it's like anal sex, dirty in, dirty out.
16   MrMagic   2018 Feb 28, 8:34am  

anon_8f378 says
I'm just glad that Americans are finally seeing the truth and realizing that the NRA is 100% run by the gun manufacturers. Seeing adults ridicule kids who were just almost murdered for speaking out on an issue that's near and dear to them shows the true colors of the NRA and gun nuts.


Oh, the Americans are seeing things, just not the same things you are:



Please tell us, which NRA member actually pulled the trigger and killed those kids?
17   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 8:42am  

Goran_K says
I was going to say.

"For this poll Politico surveyed 872 individuals, 72% identified as democrat, 11% identified as republican, and 17% declined to identify with either political party."


"Republican support for tougher gun laws is at its highest point since Morning Consult and POLITICO began tracking the issue," said Dropp. "In this week's poll, 53 percent of Republicans indicated they supported stricter gun laws, compared to 37 percent [of Republicans] who said the same following the Pulse nightclub shooting in June 2016.”

If you actually look at the polling methodology, you'll see that of the polling respondents:

40% voted for Trump
34% voted for Clinton

So, once again, another right wing, gun nut narrative is proven to be false. It's all lies from the Right.

Conservatism--not once, never.
18   Goran_K   2018 Feb 28, 8:46am  

Sorry don't trust Politico.

TYT had a poll last week that had almost 350,000 respondents and it overwhelmingly did NOT support an assault weapons ban (82% against, 18% for).
19   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 8:52am  

anon_8f378 says
Republicans indicated they supported stricter gun laws,


Please tell us what "stricter" guns laws are needed here on top of the current 20,000 on the books?

It's like a parrot spewing this Liberal narrative over and over, but never specifying EXACTLY what NEW law would have prevented this shooting.

Hasn't shooting someone with a gun been a felony for, oh like, multiple centuries?
20   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 8:52am  

Goran_K says
Sorry don't trust Politico.

TYT had a poll last week that had almost 350,000 respondents and it overwhelmingly did NOT support an assault weapons ban (82% against, 18% for).


Can you post a link? What's the TYT?

Politico polling is generally regarded as top notch, but even if you don't like it--as the article states, all the polling agrees:

"Other polls show similar growth in support for additional gun restrictions — and that the growth comes mostly from Republicans and independents. A CBS News poll out late last week found 65 percent of Americans say the laws governing the sale of guns should be stricter — an increase of 8 points from last December, and the highest number CBS News has ever recorded for stricter gun laws."
21   Goran_K   2018 Feb 28, 8:53am  

anon_8f378 says
A CBS News poll out


Geez it's like a lineup of the most untrustworthy sources of information.

I'm sure the CNN poll gave similar results.
22   Tenpoundbass   2018 Feb 28, 8:54am  

I wish there was a way to start local Armory Militias where your tax dollars pays for an armory where you store your assault weapons and excess hand guns you don't want to keep in your house or laying around your business. For many reasons. It would be nice to know there is a secure gun locker somewhere with your name on it where you could keep and store your firepower for when shit hits the fan.

That concept sounds great but it would be horrible in implementation for many reasons. I doubt your local Gun Store shooting ranges would allow that to happen. They would have 20 David Hogg's working around the clock to shut it down, the other side would be saying it would be easy for David Hogg's Dad and his filthy Liberal ilk to run a Gun Grab.

Guns and our gun laws aren't the problem. The problem is we have a thieving brown people problem that steal guns and use them commit horrible despicable acts. I would hate for my house to get burgled and my guns stole and used by one of Obama's sons to kill someone. Not that CNN would ever report any of that.
23   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 8:58am  

Goran_K says
Geez it's like a lineup of the most untrustworthy sources of information.

I'm sure the CNN poll gave similar results.


lol--you trust an internet poll but not real polling agencies. Hilarious.

Right wingers are going to be in for a rude awakening here soon.
24   Goran_K   2018 Feb 28, 9:00am  

anon_8f378 says
lol--you trust an internet poll but not real polling agencies.


Gee I wonder why?

25   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 28, 9:01am  

anon_8f378 says
Right wingers are going to be in for a rude awakening here soon.


As if November 8th, 2016 never happened.

"Nobody can hack an election and Hillary will be President; it's mathematically impossible all the polls are wrong."

"Holy Shit, the Russians hacked our election and Trump is the President ... And what happened to Pat.net?"
26   Goran_K   2018 Feb 28, 9:02am  

Goran_K says
Right wingers are going to be in for a rude awakening here soon.


Heard this in November 2012 when GOP would never win another presidential election again, and how the "blue wave" would take all the congressional seats.

27   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 9:32am  

Goran_K says
Gee I wonder why?


Well, let's see. That poll was from October.

And--fyi--Hillary won the national vote. So, those polls were correct.
28   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 9:32am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
As if November 8th, 2016 never happened.

"Nobody can hack an election and Hillary will be President; it's mathematically impossible all the polls are wrong."

"Holy Shit, the Russians hacked our election and Trump is the President ... And what happened to Pat.net?"


Nov. 8th happened, but it's ancient history now.

In election after election since then, Republicans have consistently underperformed expectations by ~15%. They lost a statewide election in Alabama FFS.

(and FYI--all the polls weren't wrong. Hillary won the vote by 4%. National polls were pretty good actually)
29   Goran_K   2018 Feb 28, 9:33am  

anon_8f378 says
And--fyi--Hillary won the national vote. So, those polls were correct.


She didn't win it by 9%.
30   Goran_K   2018 Feb 28, 9:35am  

anon_8f378 says

In election after election since then, Republicans have consistently underperformed expectations by ~15%. They lost a statewide election in Alabama FFS.


We'll see in the mid-terms. Every election since 2016 has been a special election.

Also I notice you didn't bring up Jon Ossoff, who ran the most expensive congressional rep campaign in U.S history and was supposed to be a referendum on Trump. Hmm, how did that work out?
31   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 9:37am  

Goran_K says
She didn't win it by 9%.


No kidding. And the election wasn't in October. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
32   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 28, 9:41am  

anon_8f378 says
In election after election since then, Republicans have consistently underperformed expectations by ~15%. They lost a statewide election in Alabama FFS.


A perennial failed candidate; however, as Goran mentioned above, a carefully crafted fake Moderate named Ossoff lost the most expensive Congressional election in US History, with millions pouring in from wealthy Dem Donors all over the nation. Even though there was no clear opponent in the first round and he had a good chance of cinching the vote then due to multiple challengers from the same party. In fact I believe Ossoff's margin of defeat was greater than Hillary's in that Georgia District.

Dems have lost most national special elections since the last national election.

anon_8f378 says
(and FYI--all the polls weren't wrong. Hillary won the vote by 4%. National polls were pretty good actually)


But, as the media fails to point out and you fail to do so right now, we don't determine the President by popular vote, but by a state-by-state vote with an electoral college.
33   Goran_K   2018 Feb 28, 9:41am  

anon_8f378 says
No kidding. And the election wasn't in October.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


The below graph doesn't happen unless you have shit data motivated by a political propaganda machine (courtesy of a "legitimate polling agency", the NYT).

34   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 9:44am  

Goran_K says
he below graph doesn't happen unless you have shit data motivated by a political propaganda machine (courtesy of a "legitimate polling agency", the NYT).


Of course it does. Probabilities change quickly as state results come in. That is completely normal.
35   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Feb 28, 9:47am  

Finally, Trump's approval rating among likely voters has been climbing steadily.

Whereas a few weeks ago, the Democratic Party hit it's lowest approval in 25 years.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-democrats-taxes/index.html

In fact it's lower than it was just after the 2016 election


http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2017/images/11/07/rel11b_-_2018_and_taxes.pdf
36   Goran_K   2018 Feb 28, 9:48am  

anon_8f378 says
Of course it does. Probabilities change quickly as state results come in. That is completely normal


If you can show that huge of a statistical swing in any of the previous 5 Presidential elections, I'll give you $1,000.
37   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 9:49am  

Goran_K says
We'll see in the mid-terms. Every election since 2016 has been a special election.

Also I notice you didn't bring up Jon Ossoff, who ran the most expensive congressional rep campaign in U.S history and was supposed to be a referendum on Trump. Hmm, how did that work out?


Dems outperformed in GA special election by 8% or so, but it just wasn't enough to overcome the built in advantage Reps have in that district. And that's one of the better results for Reps so far. Both sides spent huge money there.
38   anonymous   2018 Feb 28, 9:49am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Dems have lost most national special elections since the last national election.


lol--but they've outperformed Reps by an average of 15%. Definitely a good omen for mid-terms.
39   Goran_K   2018 Feb 28, 9:52am  

anon_8f378 says
Dems outperformed in GA special election by 8% or so, but it just wasn't enough to overcome the built in advantage Reps have in that district. And that's one of the better results for Reps so far. Both sides spent huge money there.


Both sides spent good money but not as much as the DNC.

Like I said, we will see. Hopefully you'll still be posting by then.

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