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What is the definition of an assault rifle?

By BayArea following x   2018 Mar 3, 4:14pm 1,601 views   57 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Media uses the term at every corner, but I have yet to see a clear definition.

Does it mean a scary black semi-auto rifle? Or is there more to it?

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18   BayArea   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 6:23am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
Goran_K says
HEYYOU says
Maybe the dead can be Talked! Talked! Talked! back to life & the wounded healed.


Yes the victims of gun confiscation... 6 million jews, 20 million soviets, 45 million chinese, 3 million cambodians... they will never ever "talk" again because gun control was imposed upon them under the guise of being "for the good of society" and they never had a chance to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong

That's why he took them away from his people.


So you believe that Americans use their guns to defend themselves from tyranny?


Having 350M guns in circulation reduces the likelihood of tyranny.

There is no question that a government considers a fact if 1:1 ratio of population to gun when making decisions.
19   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 6:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
The AR15 fires a 223 caliber bullet, actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR, just traveling at higher speed.


I'm a bit confused, it sounds like you are saying that if someone shot up a school with a 22 they would be able to cause the same amount of casualties as someone with an AR-15.

Guess what, I'm not buying it.
20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 4, 7:40am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BayArea says
errc says
Goran_K says
HEYYOU says
Maybe the dead can be Talked! Talked! Talked! back to life & the wounded healed.


Yes the victims of gun confiscation... 6 million jews, 20 million soviets, 45 million chinese, 3 million cambodians... they will never ever "talk" again because gun control was imposed upon them under the guise of being "for the good of society" and they never had a chance to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong

That's why he took them away from his people.


So you believe that Americans use their guns to defend themselves from tyranny?


Having 350M guns in circulation reduces the likelihood of tyranny.

T...


What government decisions here in America are made that may have been tyrannical, but were kept in check by the number of guns in circulation?

Does the government often say “oh we were going to raid this negros house because we know he has 100 grams of cannabis flowers, but we also know he has guns so fuck dat, let him be”?
21   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 4, 7:58am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

RafiMaas says
I'm a bit confused, it sounds like you are saying that if someone shot up a school with a 22 they would be able to cause the same amount of casualties as someone with an AR-15.


Confused indeed.
22   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 8:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
RafiMaas says
I'm a bit confused, it sounds like you are saying that if someone shot up a school with a 22 they would be able to cause the same amount of casualties as someone with an AR-15.


Confused indeed.


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/05/03/guest-post-22-lr-vs-223-rem/

Well this clears things up. Looks like only a dumb fuck would say these 2 bullets are nearly equivalent.
23   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 8:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says

The AR15 fires a 223 caliber bullet, actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR, just traveling at higher speed.

First

The bullets also vary in size and shape. Availability for .22LR bullets varies from 36 to 60 grains in weight (2.3 to 3.9 grams), while .223 bullets range from 40 to 90 grains in weight (2.6 to 5.8 grams). The .22LR bullet is rounded while the .223 bullet comes to a sharp point.

Second

Upon impact .223 bullets demonstrate a tendency to tumble, increasing the size of the wound channel. The .223 bullet also delivers additional damage due to hydrostatic shock. The .22LR bullet has neither of these qualities.
24   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 8:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Sniper says

The AR15 fires a 223 caliber bullet, actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR, just traveling at higher speed.

First

The bullets also vary in size and shape. Availability for .22LR bullets varies from 36 to 60 grains in weight (2.3 to 3.9 grams), while .223 bullets range from 40 to 90 grains in weight (2.6 to 5.8 grams).


The most common 22LR round is 40 grain, the most common .223 round is 55 grain, so yes, they are approximately the same weight.

What is the most common weight of a 9mm and .40 round?

Bonus points: What did the Virginia Tech shooter use as a weapon and what caliber rounds was he shooting? How many were killed?
25   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 8:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Sniper says
The AR15 fires a 223 caliber bullet, actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR, just traveling at higher speed.


I'm a bit confused, it sounds like you are saying that if someone shot up a school with a 22 they would be able to cause the same amount of casualties as someone with an AR-15.


Which part of "higher speed" is confusing to you?
26   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 4, 8:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says

Which one would scare the media?

Both.
27   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 9:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says

The most common 22LR round is 40 grain, the most common .223 round is 55 grain, so yes, they are approximately the same weight.


I make $550,000 a year you make $400,000. So what you are saying is we make approximately the same amount of money?
28   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 9:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Well this clears things up. Looks like only a dumb fuck would say these 2 bullets are nearly equivalent.


Having difficulty understanding the difference between "weight" and "velocity"?
29   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 9:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
What did the Virginia Tech shooter use as a weapon


Glock 19 and a Walter p22. 33 dead. Bounus question, how many died from being shot by the Glock? Double bounus did he use the 19 or 22 on himself for the 33rd death?

So I guess you are saying we should ban those too?
30   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 9:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Sniper says
What did the Virginia Tech shooter use as a weapon


Glock 19 and a Walter p22. So I guess you are saying we should ban those too?


Which one was the scary "assault weapon" with the high capacity "clips"?
31   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 9:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says

Which one was the scary "assault weapon" with the high capacity "clips"?


Just like drugs guns kill maybe we should restrict them all.
32   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 9:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Sniper says
RafiMaas says
Well this clears things up. Looks like only a dumb fuck would say these 2 bullets are nearly equivalent.


Having difficulty understanding the difference between "weight" and "velocity"?


Guess what, I went back and read what you wrote.

Sniper says
actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR


Man, I thought I read that you said size, which yes, in diameter the .223 and 22lr bullets are approximately the same.

But weight? 55 is 37.5% larger than 40. that is no where near approximately the same weight.

Looks like I don't stand corrected.
33   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 4, 10:04am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

It may be a good bet that there is no tyranny because there are over 300 million privately owned guns...

errc says
So you believe that Americans use their guns to defend themselves from tyranny?
34   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 4, 10:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The public is in the process of being trained to be afraid of semi-autos. That they need to be banned. That the rate of fire of pulling the trigger with your finger as fast as you can is too fast. Bump-stocks do not make a semi-auto an automatic weapon. But again, the anti-gunners are trying to make everyone fearful of the scariness of semi-auto fire. If this bump-stock ban bullshit goes through, these assholes are going to be initiating rate of fire limitations, to the point of making it illegal to actuate the trigger more than x times per minute.

Naw, "actuate the trigger more than "x" times per minute" sounds complicated. Look instead to see a push to limit the public to bolt action (like a Remington 700) or lever action (like a classic Henry) rifles. But then again on the old TV series "The Rifleman," old Chuck Conners could get some rounds off pretty quick with lever action.
35   thenuttyneutron   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 10:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Sniper says
The AR15 fires a 223 caliber bullet, actually is approximately the same weight as a 22LR, just traveling at higher speed.


I'm a bit confused, it sounds like you are saying that if someone shot up a school with a 22 they would be able to cause the same amount of casualties as someone with an AR-15.

Guess what, I'm not buying it.


I bet a .22 LR could be as lethal as the .223 with the right setup and situation. Simply pull the .22 bullets from the cases of a CCI Stinger and replace them with tracer bullets or white phosphorous with a lead jacket. At close ranges, these bullets would be able to penetrate into a person and burn for a bit in the victim.

The .223 and 5.56x45 use a 0.224" caliber bullet design. The .22 LR is a 0.222" caliber design. This is where the similarities end. While I don't reload .22 LR, I have dissected the caliber and it holds about 4 grains of powder. I put about 28 grains of CFE 223 in my 5.56x45 reloads.

The hottest .22 LR has about 4 grains of a fast burning powder. Average speed of a .22 LR Stinger is 1600 fps. The .223 is about 3,200 fps from a 20" barrel and is double the velocity. Since KE goes up as the square of velocity, the .223 55 grain load is a bit more than 4 times as powerful as the hottest .22 LR.
36   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 4, 10:37am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Man, I thought I read that you said size, which yes, in diameter the .223 and 22lr bullets are approximately the same.

But weight? 55 is 37.5% larger than 40. that is no where near approximately the same weight.

Looks like I don't stand corrected.


Not relevant. If you get shot by either a .22 or a .223 at in the heart area or head, you will just as dead. Likewise , a leg shot from either will not be fatal. Although the.223 is more powerful than .22LR or pistol ammo, it does not add significant lethality when shooting at an unshielded crowd. Also, the guy with the AR-15 is no more able to fend off police than a guy with a .22LR. The perceived lethality of the AR-15 comes from the widely held mistaken notion that the AR-15 is a full auto device.
37   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 4, 10:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

While I don't reload .22 LR

If you can find a way to reload a rim-fire cartridge like a .22, I'll take my hat off to you. Not saying it can't be done, but I will be impressed.
38   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 Mar 4, 11:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
HEYYOU says
Maybe the dead can be Talked! Talked! Talked! back to life & the wounded healed.


Yes the victims of gun confiscation... 6 million jews, 20 million soviets, 45 million chinese, 3 million cambodians... they will never ever "talk" again because gun control was imposed upon them under the guise of being "for the good of society" and they never had a chance to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong

That's why he took them away from his people.


Everyone is stuck in their value system & they will defend their point of view from that system against anything that they think attacks them.
Others are only interested in the facts & are in control of their egos.
There is no mention of any gun control in my comment.
Glad Republicans haven't allowed students under 18 to carry & protect themselves.
"Children could hurt themselves." makes sense. Until these same people will not raise taxes to provide all the necessary security for America's children. Full blown hypocrisy.

I'll say it again: No gun control!
Let Republicans die at the index finger of those that own,steal, love guns.
How many have been killed by those that have one gun or any number of guns with loaded,large,capacity clips prepared to fight tyranny?
Schools are part of big govt. tyranny,they must be stopped at all cost.

Country Music concerts in Las Vegas are also part of the tyranny.
At least some armed Patriot sniper was willing to try & stop this govt. takeover.
How many of those good guy,gun owning country music fans were injured & slaughtered?
Why didn't they have AR-15s to protect themselves from shooters at a distance?
Gun owners going to a gun free event is normal Red Neck White Trash "Yee-Haw!" logic in a country where "Who knows who owns a gun & might use it?"
CPAC participates gave up their 2nd Rights to enter,armed, & listen to Right wing nuts who support gun rights? WTF! FMTT!

We need another mass shooting to change up the news cycle. Maybe the next shooter will be a marksman.
39   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 11:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Sniper says
What did the Virginia Tech shooter use as a weapon


Glock 19 and a Walter p22. 33 dead. Bounus question, how many died from being shot by the Glock? Double bounus did he use the 19 or 22 on himself for the 33rd death?

So I guess you are saying we should ban those too?


Talking of banning AR15s is just as crazy. There are over 5 Million AR15s in the country and 2 are used a year for a mass murder. So, in Liberal Land, a whole classification covering multi-millions of rifles should be eliminated.

Here's another hint, I bet a whole bunch more blacks in Chicago are killed by Glocks than AR15s
40   FortWayne   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 4, 11:48am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Anything that scares Democrat is an assault rifle. Guns, knives, cars, religion, civility, order, family, morality, jobs, personal responsibility and hard work.
41   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 4, 11:57am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Don't forget hetero sex
FortWayne says
Anything that scares Democrat is an assault rifle. Guns, knives, cars, religion, civility, order, family, morality, jobs, personal responsibility and hard work.
43   thenuttyneutron   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 12:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HeadSet says
While I don't reload .22 LR

If you can find a way to reload a rim-fire cartridge like a .22, I'll take my hat off to you. Not saying it can't be done, but I will be impressed.


http://22lrreloader.com/design-details/

It is possible to reload a .22 lr but it is not easy or worth my time.

I reload .223, 300 aac, .308, .30-06, and .45 acp. Most of my .223 cases are converted into 300 aac cases with a chop saw and then running it through my resizing die. I have a ton of different .308" caliber bullets because they are used in three of my reloaded calibers.

I have heard of people reusing .22 lr brass to make a jacket for a home made .224" bullet for use in a .223.
44   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 2:59pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
I make $550,000 a year you make $400,000. So what you are saying is we make approximately the same amount of money?


RafiMaas says
So I guess you are saying we should ban those too?


OK, since we're in straw man land, I'll play too.

Stephanie Rivera was the passenger in Michael Llamas' Lamborghini when they were involved in a fiery crash in downtown San Diego early Sunday morning. Michael Llamas, 33, was behind the wheel, traveling northbound on Harbor Drive at over 100 mph when he lost control, officials said. The luxury car crashed into a palm tree and Was engulfed in flames.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Woman-Injured-in-Fiery-Lamborghini-Crash-a-Model-in-Mexico-455978983.html

No one needs a Lamborghini that can go 180 mph to commute on the 405 Freeway to work every day. We need to ban all Lamborghinis, if we can save one life, it's worth it. People should only be allowed to own Hyundai Accents, no one needs a high capacity gas tank that can hold over 10 gallons of gas.

See how Liberal Logic works now?
45   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 4:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
No one needs a Lamborghini that can go 180 mph to commute on the 405 Freeway to work every day. We need to ban all Lamborghinis, if we can save one life, it's worth it. People should only be allowed to own Hyundai Accents, no one needs a high capacity gas tank that can hold over 10 gallons of gas.


Actually not every one can afford that Lamborghini.

Liberal logic make certainly guns more expensive so not just anyone can afford it just like the Lamborghini. No need to out law either one.
46   FortWayne   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 4, 4:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Nobody needs liberals either, can we ban those too?
47   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 4, 4:53pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Actually not every one can afford that Lamborghini.


That's why you can buy an SKS or Mosin or other cheap rifle and get it all "Bubba'd" over time.

RafiMaas says
Liberal logic make certainly guns more expensive so not just anyone can afford it just like the Lamborghini. No need to out law either one.


As long as the "right" people have it, it can be unregulated. But if those the unwashed Demos start getting it, you gotta be like Warren G.
48   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 4, 5:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BlueSardine says
It may be a good bet that there is not more tyranny because there are over 300 million privately owned guns...


Took liberty and fixed it for you.
49   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 4, 5:09pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FortWayne says
assault rifle.

Assault weapons.

First they'll ban certain scary firearms. Then all firearms.Then certain scary knives....

The privilege of liberty requires that free men maintain their natural right to defend themselves from criminals, " by any means necessary."
50   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 4, 5:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says


Actually not every one can afford that Lamborghini.

Have you seen the price of a quality AR lately?
51   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 6:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Liberal logic make certainly guns more expensive so not just anyone can afford it just like the Lamborghini


Yep, Liberal Logic does, just like the call to ban AR15s by the Liberals after Sandy Hook.

The price on a average AR15 rose 4x the normal price after all the hysterics of the Liberals yelling for gun bans after Sandy Hook. Guess what, that didn't stop people from buying them.

RafiMaas says
Actually not every one can afford that Lamborghini.


So, why aren't you calling for a ban if they aren't bought by most people? Do the lives of people who die in Lambo accidents not matter?

There's that straw man again with the topping of Liberal Logic.
52   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 4, 6:14pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

errc says
So you believe that Americans use their guns to defend themselves from tyranny?


Yes, millions would.
53   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 6:30pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BayArea says
What is the definition of an assault rifle?


55   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 7:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BayArea says
What is the definition of an assault rifle?


Pick one:

56   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 7:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BayArea says
Media uses the term at every corner, but I have yet to see a clear definition.


You won't get one from the media, because they don't know:

57   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 4, 7:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

BayArea says
Does it mean a scary black semi-auto rifle?


Yes

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