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North Korea caves in to Trump. Bends over.

By Strategist following x   2018 Mar 6, 8:29am 1,780 views   62 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/asia/north-korea-summit-intl/index.html
North Korea willing to talk to US about giving up nuclear weapons, Seoul says

North Korea is willing to talk to the United States about giving up its nuclear weapons, South Korea said Tuesday, in a remarkable development that followed unprecedented meetings in Pyongyang.

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23   Fivelbsbrowntrout   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 6, 11:54am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says


Nope - both of them look to be the same degree of chubby to me but ours may be gaining hence the new diet.



Trump is looking like he's been President for four years didn't he just start his second year?
24   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 6, 11:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Lol the nukes are not what guarantees we don’t attack North Korea. It’s China that is guaranteeing that.
25   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 6, 11:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
BlueSardine says
Still ya gotta give trump credit for starving the FatFucker


Nope - both of them look to be the same degree of chubby to me but ours may be gaining hence the new diet.

The sanctions didn't cripple anything about the Nuke program.

Kim is not a fool - there is more to this than meets the eye at the moment.


Whether or not Kim is a fool is up for debate. However he is an evil fuck who kills his people and makes them suffer and I question anyone who lauds him as some sort of reasonable dictator.
26   Fivelbsbrowntrout   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 6, 11:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CovfefeButDeadly says
Lol the nukes are not what guarantees we don’t attack North Korea. It’s China that is guaranteeing that.


So the only way Kim would give up his nukes is if he had an agreement with China. Trump really won't have anything to do with it.
27   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 11:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

MAGA!
28   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 12:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

mell says
MAGA!

Agree - Morons Are Governing America.
29   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 12:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

5lbsbrowntrout says
Trump is looking like he's been President for four years didn't he just start his second year?


Getting a bit ragged around the edges these days.
30   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 12:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
The sanctions that are suffocating them will continue until this goal is achieved.


News Flash - the nukes don't need food, they are getting enough to get by on and keep that program alive thanks to China, Russia and other friendly nations or people just out to make a quick buck.
31   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 12:05pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
mell says
MAGA!

Agree - Morons Are Governing America.


Why don't you give DT some credit?! If this had happened under Obummer the media would lap it up and celebrate black history month for the rest of the year. Bu they the rayscyst orange cheeto in the office accomplished this so let's pretend it never happened.
32   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 12:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Seriously I would like to see the U.S. get credit for this - even Trump.

Something tells me sadly once again it isn't us. Levers are being pulled and the manipulation is in full swing.

For now we are in the audience or at best off stage watching and whatever may or may not be going on behind the scenes involves a whole lot more than Potus and the Secretary of State.

I could actually believe they are patsy's or pawns in a much larger scheme and letting them have some degree of tacit success by just getting Kim to the talking table is part of the overall scheme - so be it.

Is this sudden turn of Kim's due to the bluster from Potus...whew, that's a stretch even for me and I have a pretty good imagination.

In any event it will give CNN and other media plenty to talk about until the next school shooting.
33   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 12:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

mell says
Why don't you give DT some credit?!


I give Trump credit for taking credit for the tax bill last fall that will ultimately result in massive tax increases on the very people it was supposed to help and be all about.
34   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 12:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Given our past honesty in this arena would you trust us ?


Shit, look what Hillary and Obama did to Ghaddafyi and Libya. That guy was grovelling before us since 9/11 and did anything we wanted, and nothing had changed.

Obama-Hillary got rid of him and now the place is a Jihadi battleground, in total chaos, and for the first time in decades, slavery is making an appearance.

http://time.com/5042560/libya-slave-trade/
35   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 6, 12:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

mell says
Why don't you give DT some credit?! If this had happened under Obummer the media would lap it up and celebrate black history month for the rest of the year. Bu they the rayscyst orange cheeto in the office accomplished this so let's pretend it never happened.


The policies we are following weren't started under Obama?

http://time.com/5000762/north-korea-donald-trump-nuclear-strategy/

What exactly is Trump doing different than Obama?... Proof?
36   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 12:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

North and South Korea didn't have a Summit in the past decade, also known as during much (if not all) of Obama's Presidency.

They just agreed to one.

The Independent , which is Neoliberal NeverTrump To The Max, is giving grudging acknowledgement of Trump's successes
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-resolve-north-korea-nuclear-crisis-where-barack-obama-failed-win-nobel-peace-prize-a8242731.html
37   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 1:47pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Yes.
My reference to "starving" has nothing to do with food.
It has everything to do with increasing sanctions and matching kims rhetoric word for word.
Nobody ever said the sanctions crippled anything about nukes. Fake argument.
What they did do is force kim to change strategy and say shit to get everyone to the table.
Once there, Kim expects to extract handouts as always...problem for kim is, we actually have someone that wants to win at these talks and not push the shit down the road for another decade.

Feux Follets says
BlueSardine says
Still ya gotta give trump credit for starving the FatFucker


Nope - both of them look to be the same degree of chubby to me but ours may be gaining hence the new diet.

The sanctions didn't cripple anything about the Nuke program.
38   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 2:59pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

BlueSardine says
Kim expects to extract handouts as always...problem for kim is, we actually have someone that wants to win at these talks and not push the shit down the road for another decade.


Does this mean previous administration were not serious ? Political affiliation not a factor.

Potus is not in charge of the South Korean government unless their is some serious bullshit going on. Pay attention to the current GM debacle going on over there right now. South Korea also looking for an exemption to the steel tariff.

Potus may view this as a one man show with himself as the star and therein lies the problem.

Lot of moving parts and one thing to remember. Negotiating in Asia is not like negotiating in the west - so far this is not something Potus has grasped.

When the head is nodding up and down yes - that does not guarantee agreement or anything close.

BlueSardine says
Nobody ever said the sanctions crippled anything about nukes. Fake argument.


Fake argument ? What constitutes a genuine or real argument. Weren't the sanctions supposed to cripple the nuke program development ?
39   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 3:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Shit, look what Hillary and Obama did to Ghaddafyi and Libya


Look what Dubya did for the region. Talk about your historical blunders. Only to be outdone by going to Afghanistan and then staying long after whatever it is we went there for in the first place. Even the Russians had enough sense to call it a day, count their losses and leave.

Gaddafi and Hussein were both useful to the moneyed interests of this country until they weren't willing to play along anymore so under the bus they went.

Go back in time - we meddled in Iran - didn't work out well.

Go back in time some more - who agreed to put U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia in the first place ? And the protection was for ?

Our national interest ?

That is a well worn excuse.
40   Tenpoundbass   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 6, 3:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I expected nothing less from Kim Nutjob Ung.
This was his Dad's standard for getting scraps for his failed regime to stay in power. He would rattle a saber and make a lot of noise until the International Community gave him a pile of cash to shut him up.
There was no upside to Kim shooting off a Nuke.
In the meantime he was used by China or Russia as a proxy to test their latest Nukes, since they are part of treaties that said they wouldn't test them.
NK didn't have enough money to make a decent sandwich, of course those Nukes aren't theirs.
41   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 3:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Look what Dubya did for the region


I didn't vote for Dubya.

Feux Follets says
. Only to be outdone by going to Afghanistan


Thank Goodness Obama corrected that mistake and... oh...

Feux Follets says
Gaddafi and Hussein were both useful to the moneyed interests of this country until they weren't willing to play along anymore so under the bus they went.


Gaddafi was groveling before us, Gaddafi was gotten rid of in the Neolib-con liberation theology tradition that said when you get rid of Secular Dictators, there's nothing worse that might arise.

Obama didn't learn shit from Iraq.

Feux Follets says
Our national interest ?


Well we kinda DO get a shitton of Oil from Saudi Arabia, so that is a valid excuse.

We do not, however, from Libya. That's Europe.

Have you come up with a reason why Obama-Hillary wanted Gaddafyi so badly? The destabilization of Assad didn't come a great time, either.
42   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 3:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I didn't vote for Dubya.


Me either !

Was in a hotel room on a business trip and watched him bragging about his "political capital" on the night of his second win and how he was going to use it to do great things.

Good thing I had eaten dinner earlier in the evening or I would have lost it.
43   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 4:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Go back in time - we meddled in Iran - didn't work out well.

Go back in time some more - who agreed to put U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia in the first place ? And the protection was for ?

Our national interest ?


Your point is well taken. Keep in mind we do not live in a world of bows and arrows anymore, but a world of very dangerous weapons and bad people who can go to any part of the world in mere hours, and slaughter us like insects. There are instances where we MUST meddle in other countries or face destruction.
Examples:
We did not meddle in Germany during the rise of Hitler, and 60 million people died.
We did not meddle in Afghanistan during the rise of Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban, and we ended up with 911.
We did not meddle in Pakistan when they were acquiring nukes, and we ended up with the "Islamic bomb" Lots of them.

Good thing we meddled in preventing other countries from getting the bomb from Pakistan.
Good thing we meddle in Iran to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons.
Good thing we meddle in North Korea to prevent them from getting nukes.

Nothing good can come from any country that wants nukes, getting them. We want a world without dangerous weapons, and for all countries to eventually give up their nukes. For that to happen we must first stop it's spread. Stopping the spread of nuclear weapons requires meddling.
44   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 4:52pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
TwoScoopsPlissken says
I didn't vote for Dubya.


Me either !

Was in a hotel room on a business trip and watched him bragging about his "political capital" on the night of his second win and how he was going to use it to do great things.

Good thing I had eaten dinner earlier in the evening or I would have lost it.


Neither did I. Trump's policies so far are far superior to W's, likely everybody can agree on that.
45   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 5:01pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
We did not meddle in Germany during the rise of Hitler, and 60 million people died.


We did Meddle in WW1, which allowed the French and British to demand of Germany total reparations which they would not have gotten otherwise (given there were mass mutinies by 1917), which resulted in the rise of Hitler in revenge.
46   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 5:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
Good thing we meddled in preventing other countries from getting the bomb from Pakistan.


Because we meddled to use our influence to stop India from wiping Pakistan from the face of the earth in the 1970s, and replacing that shitty country with some powerless statelets, Pakistan now has the bomb.

It's not about meddling or not meddling, it's about judging when the good outweighs the bad.
47   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 6:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
Obama strategy.....Please please please, cherry on top. Don't develop nukes. We are sorry. We will give you anything you want.
Trump strategy.......Fuck you asshole. Either you destroy those nukes, or we will destroy them for you, along with your regime.

And the winning strategy is............


South Korea.
48   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 Mar 6, 6:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

More talky talk!
If they actually start talks it will take 20 years to come to a signed agreement?
Or....This is just a distraction from the PTB working on something in the shadows.
Oh! I got it. That's why it's called a Shadow Govt. That's a misnomer,it's Shadow Owners.
49   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 6:28pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

No.
The sanctions were meant to stop or slow down nk nuclear development.
Nothing at this point will cripple it other than total capitulation by kFuck...

Feux Follets says
Fake argument ? What constitutes a genuine or real argument. Weren't the sanctions supposed to cripple the nuke program development
50   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 6:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Considering all previous administrations pushed the can down the road....yes.

Feux Follets says
BlueSardine says
Kim expects to extract handouts as always...problem for kim is, we actually have someone that wants to win at these talks and not push the shit down the road for another decade.


Does this mean previous administration were not serious ?
51   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 7:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

HEYYOU says
More talky talk!
If they actually start talks it will take 20 years to come to a signed agreement?


Which is exactly what NK wants, and which is exactly what previous administrations gave them.
But now they are not dealing with nice guy Obama, who can easily be suckered. They are dealing with an asshole who has the Trump card. :)
52   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 7:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
Strategist says
Obama strategy.....Please please please, cherry on top. Don't develop nukes. We are sorry. We will give you anything you want.
Trump strategy.......Fuck you asshole. Either you destroy those nukes, or we will destroy them for you, along with your regime.

And the winning strategy is............


South Korea.


They don't have a strategy. If it wasn't for the US, there would be no South Korea.
53   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 7:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
BlueSardine says
Kim expects to extract handouts as always...problem for kim is, we actually have someone that wants to win at these talks and not push the shit down the road for another decade.


Does this mean previous administration were not serious ? Political affiliation not a factor.


It means previous administrations had no balls, which is why they kicked the can down the street. Trump has the balls, which is why NK is bending over.
54   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 7:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Previous administrations did not have to be serious considering Kim's limited capabilities.
Given Kim's imminent intercontinental capabilities we've run out of road to kick.
BlueSardine says

Does this mean previous administration were not serious ?
55   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 7:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says

It means previous administrations had no balls, which is why they kicked the can down the street. Trump has the balls, which is why NK is bending over.


Oh, and Obama will jealously watch and learn, while Trump enjoys himself fucking Kim.
56   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 6, 8:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Nah, this is how this kind of regimes - NK, Russia, Iran, Saddam's Iraq etc. - play the West: they imitate willingness to talk and compromise, get some concessions out of it and then switch back to their usual behavior. Rinse, repeat.

Nothing will come out of it.
57   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 6, 9:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Nothing will come out of it.
You hope.
58   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 7, 12:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

P N Dr Lo R says
Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Nothing will come out of it.
You hope.


Nope. Just being realistic.

McArthur should've been allowed to nuke the shit out of Commie fucks in '51. Talking to that scum is fucking pointless.
59   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 7, 3:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
EYYOU says
More talky talk!
If they actually start talks it will take 20 years to come to a signed agreement?


Which is exactly what NK wants, and which is exactly what previous administrations gave them.
But now they are not dealing with nice guy Obama, who can easily be suckered. They are dealing with an asshole who has the Trump card. :)


ROFLOL. That would be our 5 time draft dodger?
60   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 7, 6:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Talking to that scum is fucking pointless


Perhaps that scum feels the same way but he is still playing with all 52 cards, not a few short of a full shuffle like someone else in the spotlight.

If you're talking about the Korean people - their is a clear and gross underestimation of their hatred and resolve not to quit especially where this country is concerned.
61   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 7, 6:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Nothing will come out of it.


It will be a very long time - look back to Vietnam peace talks for an idea of the time frame.
62   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 7, 8:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Talking to that scum is fucking pointless


Perhaps that scum feels the same way but he is still playing with all 52 cards, not a few short of a full shuffle like someone else in the spotlight.

If you're talking about the Korean people - their is a clear and gross underestimation of their hatred and resolve not to quit especially where this country is concerned.


Spare me the Commie bullshit about "people" and their "resolve". It's well-known how this "resolve" is achieved: from treating the families of the soldiers as de-facto hostages to anti-retreat squads behind troops sent to attack enemy lines.

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