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Difference between donation and admission fee

By Patrick following x   2018 Mar 6, 6:18pm 883 views   12 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


I went to a meetup group recently which had a "required donation" of $3 to attend.

I don't really mind the $3, but I do mind the "required donation" phrasing. If I recall correctly, donations are generally not taxable, but making a donation mandatory moves it from donation to fee, which is taxable.

So a lot of organizations seem to be trying to evade taxes by claiming that they are only asking for a donation, when in reality the obligatory nature of the payment makes it a taxable fee.

Any tax lawyers on here?
1   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 7, 8:52am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Not a lawyer, but as an English speaker I call bullshit. They're either liars, or woefully ignorant when it comes to English.
2   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 7, 9:28am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
So a lot of organizations seem to be trying to evade taxes by claiming that they are only asking for a donation, when in reality the obligatory nature of the payment makes it a taxable fee.

Any tax lawyers on here?


No lawyer here. Just don't pay it out of spite. It's what the Art Institute in Chicago did (maybe still does). They ask for a "voluntary donation" for admission to the museum. I don't think the person had dealt with someone like my wife before, but she called them on the BS. I think we were 19-20 at the time. Guess what, we didn't pay.

In hind sight we were ass holes, but at the same time just fucking call it an admission fee. We had to go for a college course, which we were told was free entry and upon arrival we get bombarded with this "donation." I know they cherish their charity status, but come on. As NuttBoxer says, it's fucking English. If you're going to put up a fight allowing people in to an event or museum, just call it by what it is, admission fee!
3   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 Mar 7, 11:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick,
They must not have known you were connected to patrick.net. or they would have never allowed you in. :-o
4   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 7, 11:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Lol, prolly true. I'm pretty dangerous you know.
5   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 7, 12:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The practice is pretty common: memberships in many organizations (museums, zoos, aquariums, etc.) are treated as both price of admission and donation (often tax deductible).
6   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 7, 3:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I know meetup.org charges for the ability to create a group. So the leader/host of the group was probably just trying to recoup those charges ($100?)
7   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 7, 3:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I wouldn't mind if it were a fee, which is taxable. But I'm annoyed when a fee is called a donation just so that the guy doesn't have to pay taxes.
8   Hircus   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 7, 5:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

This reminds of of how certain places tell you about the "free items you'll receive as a token of gratuity for your donation of $X". And they even have different levels, so as you donate more you get more / better stuff. Sometimes it's legit (eg, donate $1000 get a t-shirt), but other times, the donation amount seems to be about what the item truly costs, which makes me think it's just a tax evasion scheme.
9   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 8, 6:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@Patrick. Interesting piece.

What is your take on the words reaction and a response ?

We seem to be getting a lot of one of them out of Washington and a dearth of the other.

On a side note one of them will get you killed very easily in the wrong situations.
10   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 8, 6:43am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"Reaction" sounds unthinking, immediate.

"Response" sounds more considered.
11   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 8, 1:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
"Reaction" sounds unthinking, immediate.

"Response" sounds more considered.


"Reaction" is unthinking, immediate, poorly thought out and does not fully weigh risk vs. reward, examine alternatives and much more.

"Response" is considered, well though out, fully weighs risk vs. reward, examines alternatives and action takes place when appropriate and then in a reasonable manner so not to cause additional problems.

We seem to get a lot of number one from most every where but very little of number two - anywhere.
12   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 8, 3:18pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Feux Follets says
We seem to get a lot of number one from most every where but very little of number two - anywhere.


Am I number one or two? I'll resist the bathroom jokes for now, or not. Might need to stop pissing everywhere and maybe take a laxative to up that #2 frequency/quantity. Take four of these and call me in the morning.




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