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Trump's wall would pay for itself by cutting welfare to illegal aliens

By someone else following x   2018 Mar 14, 10:33am 1,496 views   8 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


If a wall stopped just 200,000 of those future crossings, Camarota says, it would pay for itself in fiscal savings from welfare, public education, refundable tax credits and other benefits currently given to low-income, illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America.

If a wall stopped 50 percent of those expected crossings, he says, it would save American taxpayers a whopping $64 billion — almost four times the wall’s cost — to say nothing of the additional billions in federal savings from reduced federal drug interdiction and border-security enforcement.

Camarota explains that illegal border-crossers from Mexico and Central America — who account for more than 75 percent of the illegal immigrant population in the US — are overwhelmingly poor, uneducated and lack English language and other skills. In fact, the average Latino illegal immigrant has less than a 10th-grade education. That means if they work, they tend to make low wages; and as a result pay relatively little in taxes while using public services. And if they have children while in the US, they more often than not receive welfare benefits on behalf of those US-born children, who have the same welfare eligibility as any other citizen.

“A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households is received on behalf of their US-born children,” Camarota said. “This is especially true of households headed by illegal immigrants.”

Therefore, illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of more than $72,000 during their lifetimes, Camarota says. Including costs for their US-born children, the fiscal drain jumps to more than $94,000.

But the biggest benefit is that US wages to our poorest citizens would go up since they would not have to compete with 20 million illegals.

Still, I think jailing the employers of illegals is necessary to really stop the flow.
1   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 14, 10:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Still, I think jailing the employers of illegals is necessary to really stop the flow.


It's gotta be a one-two punch.

The thing I'll be most anticipating - because I think this will happen - is how the Media will try to take the side of the "Poor Illegal Employer, just trying to compete and create the American Dream, etc. etc."
3   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Mar 21, 6:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I wonder if they factor in taxes not paid in the future by those educated or taxes paid by their descendants ? You pay to educate the children of illegal immigrants, and then those kids (dreamers) pay taxes for life as do their descendants. I'm not 100% convinced that isn't a win for the govt,

I'm told that us liberals are in favor of illegal immigration. No, not true. Just interested in the truth.
4   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 21, 6:21am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

someone else says

But the biggest benefit is that US wages to our poorest citizens would go up since they would not have to compete with 20 million illegals.

Still, I think jailing the employers of illegals is necessary to really stop the flow.

If no one would hire them then there wouldn't be a need for a wall would there? We wouldn't have to spend trillions on enforcement either. When are we going to see executive perp walks at tyson, smithfield, and trump industries? Oh yea I forgot, ICE popped a couple 7/11 owners in the 14 months since trump took office. I bet both of them get at least a $100 fine. That's a big deterrent. It's all a big show to fire up the base, including building a wall. The last thing in the world corporations want is effective enforcement of illegals.
5   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 21, 6:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Make artificial meat out of the criminal ones that keep coming back and committing heinous crimes against our cities. The Liberals are keen to stand in line for Artificial meat give them a good Mexican product. The meat will pay for the wall. And the Liberals go on a Bean diet.

Or we could just let the Liberals eat themselves. Like they always do.
6   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 16, 9:22am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


Trump just took a giant step toward actual welfare reform

President Trump’s new executive order on welfare reform has laid the groundwork to get more Americans back to work while protecting and strengthening the safety net for the truly needy. Federal agencies must take advantage of this opportunity to roll back harmful Obama-era policies that have trapped families in dependency and cost taxpayers billions.

Right now, America combines near-record-low unemployment with near-record-high welfare dependency — the result of state-level eligibility exemptions, federal loopholes and policies that put work on the back burner. Many of these policies created incentives for able-bodied adults to sit on the sidelines — even though there is good, well-paying work to be done. The resulting safety net isn’t a safety net at all — it has entrapped able-bodied adults in dependency and threatened resources for the truly needy.

But welfare reform can change that. And the Trump administration has just given agency leaders a road map to do so.

The executive order, signed Tuesday afternoon, lays out principles to encourage economic mobility through work — a tactic that we’ve seen succeed in states across the nation. It calls for a strengthened work requirement for able-bodied adults, building off the requirement established in the 1996 bipartisan welfare reform that requires able-bodied adults on food stamps to work, train or volunteer for at least 20 hours per week.

Despite evidence that work requirements work — cutting time spent on welfare in half, doubling incomes and moving adults into over 600 diverse industries — the Obama administration approved waivers for those requirements in most states, citing high unemployment and severe job shortages.

What happened when states no longer required able-bodied adults to work to receive benefits? Predictably, the number of able-bodied adults on food stamps skyrocketed, more than tripling since 2000, while the cost to taxpayers went up fivefold.

Even though unemployment has since rebounded to near-record lows and more than 6 million jobs are open nationwide, these Obama-era waivers are still in place and many states continue to operate expanded welfare rolls under them.

Federal agencies should follow the White House’s guidance to change that by declining to renew these waivers and strengthening the work requirement for able-bodied adults, returning the food-stamp program to the law’s original bipartisan intent and rolling back the unsustainable spike in welfare recipients.

Based on the experience of states that reinstated work requirements, this common-sense reform would move millions of able-bodied adults from welfare to work while saving taxpayers billions — ensuring the safety net is in place for those who truly need it.

The good news doesn’t end there. Because the executive order spans multiple programs — including Medicaid and food stamps, among others — agency leaders have the opportunity to bring much-needed change to all welfare programs. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services must continue to approve states’ waiver requests to implement work requirements for able-bodied adults in Medicaid, as more and more states follow the example set by Arkansas, Indiana and Kentucky. Agencies should look to eliminate loopholes that allow automatic enrollment into welfare programs without asset tests or other tests of need, and should look to implement anti-fraud initiatives to crack down on welfare fraud and preserve limited resources for the truly needy.

The Trump administration hasn’t been shy about its desire for welfare reform — and rightly so, given out-of-control enrollment and spending that has resulted in a massive dependency crisis. This executive order provides a pathway to a welfare system that protects the needy without trapping the unwary.

History and experience tell us that if federal and state agencies follow through on the reform principles the president has laid out, we can protect the safety net for the needy while filling millions of open jobs and creating billions of dollars in federal and state budget savings.

That would be a good day’s work.
7   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 16, 10:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
ICE popped a couple 7/11 owners in the 14 months since trump took office. I bet both of them get at least a $100 fine.

These 7/11 owners are not rich enough, so they can be fined. No one will dare to fine major corporations for the same thing. Can we say "selective enforcement"? Can we also say that no one actually cares about enforcing immigration laws? Instead, Trump cares about looking good in eyes of his voters while allowing his buddies in business to pay peanuts to illegals because PROFIT! on illegals is much more than profit on US citizens, who would have to be paid more.
8   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Apr 16, 10:16am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

.zzyzzx says

Trump just took a giant step toward actual welfare reform

Great, I've always supported workfare. Selling it as some kind of big savings is bullshit though. The savings won't amount to a rounding error on the deficit and won't pay for any wall that doesn't surround a flower garden. Illegals can't collect welfare anyway. Legal immigrants can't collect for 5 years. Don't even bother to try to sell that illegals use $72,000 in welfare bullshit. That has been so debunked it's rediculous, yet still pops up all the time.

zzyzzx says
agency leaders have the opportunity to bring much-needed change to all welfare programs

ALL welfare programs? Doest that mean all the agricorps and dod contractors will have to work for their welfare also? That would be great.

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