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MrMagic
2018 Mar 21, 8:53pm
MrMagic
2018 Mar 21, 8:53pm
Patrick says
That's the BIGGEST way to save money, by far.
Patrick says
Exactly right.
It's NEVER been about "color of skin" (unless you're a lazy loser looking for a cop-out), it has ALWAYS been about determination, hard work and never giving up. Anyone can make it if they do those three things.
My friend didn't get married or have a family, so he saved a boatload of money there too.
That's the BIGGEST way to save money, by far.
Patrick says
My conclusion is that most of the hype about discrimination is bullshit. If you're motivated and stay on track, this country still works, no matter where you came from.
Exactly right.
It's NEVER been about "color of skin" (unless you're a lazy loser looking for a cop-out), it has ALWAYS been about determination, hard work and never giving up. Anyone can make it if they do those three things.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 21, 9:01pm
Patrick
2018 Mar 21, 9:01pm
This might also be a lesson in the importance of having a father around to keep a kid in line and tell him which path is the right path.
Single mommery is a disaster for the mother and the kids, no matter what race.
Single mommery is a disaster for the mother and the kids, no matter what race.
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BayArea
2018 Mar 21, 9:19pm
BayArea
2018 Mar 21, 9:19pm
Few lessons:
Having an intelligent father who is active in your life can have a huge impact on your life success.
Etrade knows no skin color.
Family is very expensive. But I personally wouldn’t trade it for any amount of money.
Having an intelligent father who is active in your life can have a huge impact on your life success.
Etrade knows no skin color.
Family is very expensive. But I personally wouldn’t trade it for any amount of money.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 21, 9:55pm
I can vouch for Patrick's opinion. I have seen the difference in my own life.
I had a mother and father growing up till I was ten years old. Than my mom died, my dad died after I was twenty-one. I had a night out on the town when I turned twenty one.
Keeping the family unit intact is good for child development, marriage counseling, etc... is good. A village can't raise a kid unless there is commitment. The pig is committed to the bacon omelette, but the chicken just gives an egg.
I had a mother and father growing up till I was ten years old. Than my mom died, my dad died after I was twenty-one. I had a night out on the town when I turned twenty one.
Keeping the family unit intact is good for child development, marriage counseling, etc... is good. A village can't raise a kid unless there is commitment. The pig is committed to the bacon omelette, but the chicken just gives an egg.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2018 Mar 21, 10:48pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2018 Mar 21, 10:48pm
I have been a radio listener of Larry Elder for over 20 years. I own a few of his books, have watched his DVD’s, and think this country would be a better place if everyone did.
From Wikipedia:
Https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Elder
Elder was born in 1952, the second of Randolph and Viola Conley Elder's three sons.[citation needed] At the time, the family lived in the largely Latino Pico-Union district of Los Angeles. Elder's father, Randolph, was on his own from the age of 13 and worked a variety of jobs. He enlisted in the US Marines and served as a cook in the Philippines during World War II. Following the war, he was refused employment as a short-order cook many times because he had no references.
Elder's father moved to California and worked several jobs at once to support his family. He also attended night school to earn his GED. By his early forties he had saved enough to open his own café, which he successfully owned and operated near downtown Los Angeles for 30 years. On his radio show, Elder said about his father: "A tougher life I have rarely come across. Yet he never hated, he was never bitter, he never condemned his circumstances, and he always said there are very few problems that cannot be solved through hard work." Elder told a Reason interviewer in 1996 that his father was his role model: "He was the hardest working man I've ever known.... He had a work ethic that was beyond belief."[26]
From Wikipedia:
Https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Elder
Elder was born in 1952, the second of Randolph and Viola Conley Elder's three sons.[citation needed] At the time, the family lived in the largely Latino Pico-Union district of Los Angeles. Elder's father, Randolph, was on his own from the age of 13 and worked a variety of jobs. He enlisted in the US Marines and served as a cook in the Philippines during World War II. Following the war, he was refused employment as a short-order cook many times because he had no references.
Elder's father moved to California and worked several jobs at once to support his family. He also attended night school to earn his GED. By his early forties he had saved enough to open his own café, which he successfully owned and operated near downtown Los Angeles for 30 years. On his radio show, Elder said about his father: "A tougher life I have rarely come across. Yet he never hated, he was never bitter, he never condemned his circumstances, and he always said there are very few problems that cannot be solved through hard work." Elder told a Reason interviewer in 1996 that his father was his role model: "He was the hardest working man I've ever known.... He had a work ethic that was beyond belief."[26]
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 6:03am
My conclusion is that most of the hype about discrimination is bullshit. If you're motivated and stay on track, this country still works, no matter where you came from.
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I thought you said that Trump was elected by all the disenfranchised who just want a job, but whatever jobs there are,the Mexicans stole from them. And the Corporate liberals shipped the rest of them overseas, so they are fucked, with no options?
Which one is it?
I’ve found that most every person who has enjoyed success from The System, regardless of how, always say that The System works
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I thought you said that Trump was elected by all the disenfranchised who just want a job, but whatever jobs there are,the Mexicans stole from them. And the Corporate liberals shipped the rest of them overseas, so they are fucked, with no options?
Which one is it?
I’ve found that most every person who has enjoyed success from The System, regardless of how, always say that The System works
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 22, 6:20am
Feux Follets says
Just say it for God's sake. He's a thug.
Patrick says
This is a poor conclusion. Within a population there are always top performers that are able to overcome significant obstacles to succeed. That doesn't mean that those obstacles didn't exist. The US should be a place where everyone has equal opportunity. That is not the case now, and one anecdotal story doesn't change that.
Data > Anecdote.
Is this a thinly veiled reference to scary "black people" ?
Just say it for God's sake. He's a thug.
Patrick says
My conclusion is that most of the hype about discrimination is bullshit. If you're motivated and stay on track, this country still works, no matter where you came from.
This is a poor conclusion. Within a population there are always top performers that are able to overcome significant obstacles to succeed. That doesn't mean that those obstacles didn't exist. The US should be a place where everyone has equal opportunity. That is not the case now, and one anecdotal story doesn't change that.
Data > Anecdote.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 6:26am
Perhaps your friend is aware of your website and the feelings expressed on here and didn't want to engage you further on the topic.
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Why would that be?
I’ve seen a few of the regulars here suggest that racism doesn’t exist lol
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Why would that be?
I’ve seen a few of the regulars here suggest that racism doesn’t exist lol
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Mar 22, 6:34am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Mar 22, 6:34am
Patrick says
My buddy grew up in an all white neighborhood in Connecticut. He's the Rolling Stones biggest fan and can play every single tune. He always worked in sales and always did well at it. The only thing different than this guy and a white guy is the color of his skin. His wife is a southern black lady, from a typical black neighborhood in the South. She shakes her head at his awkward lack of blackness sometimes. I had to teach him about the blues before Rock hijacked it. Still he has this chip on his shoulder about race. He honestly believes he has been held back by the Whiteman somehow. Even though he admits he can be or do anything in America he sets him mind to and nobody can stop him.
I don't know if it's conditioning, or if it's inner self conflict. Every example he gives me of perceived racism in his life. I can give an example how I've been treated just as bad and race had nothing to do with it. Except for one, he says he joined the Army with his best friend. He said when they went to boot camp together they were segregated. Told flat out no way black people can sleep in the white barracks. This was supposedly 78 or 79.
I find that hard to believe, that in 78 or 79 they were segregating the Army barracks. What ever the case it traumatized him enough, he's lived a charmed white life otherwise, but still feels like he's being judged by the color of his skin. Even though he thrives in White company. People are just complex.
So I asked him if discrimination had been any significant impediment to his self-achieved success, and he doesn't seem to have an answer for that. Clearly it didn't stop him. My conclusion is that most of the hype about discrimination is bullshit. If you're motivated and stay on track, this country still works, no matter where you came from.
My buddy grew up in an all white neighborhood in Connecticut. He's the Rolling Stones biggest fan and can play every single tune. He always worked in sales and always did well at it. The only thing different than this guy and a white guy is the color of his skin. His wife is a southern black lady, from a typical black neighborhood in the South. She shakes her head at his awkward lack of blackness sometimes. I had to teach him about the blues before Rock hijacked it. Still he has this chip on his shoulder about race. He honestly believes he has been held back by the Whiteman somehow. Even though he admits he can be or do anything in America he sets him mind to and nobody can stop him.
I don't know if it's conditioning, or if it's inner self conflict. Every example he gives me of perceived racism in his life. I can give an example how I've been treated just as bad and race had nothing to do with it. Except for one, he says he joined the Army with his best friend. He said when they went to boot camp together they were segregated. Told flat out no way black people can sleep in the white barracks. This was supposedly 78 or 79.
I find that hard to believe, that in 78 or 79 they were segregating the Army barracks. What ever the case it traumatized him enough, he's lived a charmed white life otherwise, but still feels like he's being judged by the color of his skin. Even though he thrives in White company. People are just complex.
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lostand confused
2018 Mar 22, 6:37am
lostand confused
2018 Mar 22, 6:37am
HappyGilmore says
Obstacles always exits-sometimes insurmountable.
The US should never be a place of equal opportunity-they tried that in Russia, it was called communism.
Someone will always have an advantage-it is about you, what you do to fight and come out. Also maybe being a gazillionare is not your thing-figure out what makes you happy and do it.
That doesn't mean that those obstacles didn't exist. The US should be a place where everyone has equal opportunity. That is not the case now, and one anecdotal story doesn't change that.
Obstacles always exits-sometimes insurmountable.
The US should never be a place of equal opportunity-they tried that in Russia, it was called communism.
Someone will always have an advantage-it is about you, what you do to fight and come out. Also maybe being a gazillionare is not your thing-figure out what makes you happy and do it.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 22, 6:51am
lostand confused says
No--that's equal results, not equal opportunity.
Equal opportunity means everyone succeeds according to their ability and effort. That's pretty much the idea this country was founded upon. If you don't agree, maybe the US isn't where you want to be?
The US should never be a place of equal opportunity-they tried that in Russia, it was called communism.
No--that's equal results, not equal opportunity.
Equal opportunity means everyone succeeds according to their ability and effort. That's pretty much the idea this country was founded upon. If you don't agree, maybe the US isn't where you want to be?
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Mar 22, 6:53am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Mar 22, 6:53am
Feux Follets says
Fluff that ball up in the air get it up don't let it drop!
Goddamn Liberal Rabble Rousers - that's what the problem is in this country. Surely not those fun loving, patriotic, gun toting, church burning, church bombing, lynching, dragging behind a truck until dead crowd - not on your life.
Fluff that ball up in the air get it up don't let it drop!
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NDrLoR
2018 Mar 22, 8:47am
NDrLoR
2018 Mar 22, 8:47am
HappyGilmore says
CovfefeButDeadly says
a place where everyone has equal opportunityNo place like this exists on earth or ever has, even in the Soviet Union. Maybe in Utopia, but that's always in the future.
CovfefeButDeadly says
he was never bitter,The usual suspects were triggered here.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 22, 8:52am
P N Dr Lo R says
Obviously not in the Soviet Union--that was never even their goal.
And while it's not the reality, it should be the goal. At least that's what the Founding Fathers thought. Maybe some here think they know better, but I tend to agree with the Founders on this one.
No place like this exists on earth or ever has, even in the Soviet Union. Maybe in Utopia, but that's always in the future.
Obviously not in the Soviet Union--that was never even their goal.
And while it's not the reality, it should be the goal. At least that's what the Founding Fathers thought. Maybe some here think they know better, but I tend to agree with the Founders on this one.
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 22, 8:55am
Goran_K
2018 Mar 22, 8:55am
Here's the truth.
People are much better at making excuses than working hard.
These people tend to vote Democrat and accept victim-hood.
These people will almost never, ever succeed in life.
People are much better at making excuses than working hard.
These people tend to vote Democrat and accept victim-hood.
These people will almost never, ever succeed in life.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 22, 9:00am
Goran_K says
But the truth seems to change so much. I thought Dems were the elite snobs that looked down upon the average Joe.
Trump supporters really need to make up their mind about which narrative they are going with. Are Dems lazy welfare queens or rich, limousine, soy boys?
Here's the truth.
People are much better at making excuses than working hard.
These people tend to vote Democrat and accept victim-hood.
These people will almost never, ever succeed in life.
But the truth seems to change so much. I thought Dems were the elite snobs that looked down upon the average Joe.
Trump supporters really need to make up their mind about which narrative they are going with. Are Dems lazy welfare queens or rich, limousine, soy boys?
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 9:00am
As usual, most are confused on the issue.
It’s not “equal opportunity” ye shall seek, but rather, the end of Political Privilege!
Like why in the fuck are Churches exempt from paying taxes? And this gives them great power and privilege which they in turn leverage into interfering in our politics. Which leads to their pathetic SJWs Virtue Signalling bad laws into the books.
Bad laws harm Good people, and we shouldn’t be forced to subsidize such anti-American behavior. It’s madness, and perplexing why more noise isn’t made of it. I guess when they’re constantly drowning people in propaganda, it causes such distraction that keeps the base harping on about Hillary and Liberals 24/7, rather than doing their duty as an American and standing up for our freedoms and liberties.
It’s not “equal opportunity” ye shall seek, but rather, the end of Political Privilege!
Like why in the fuck are Churches exempt from paying taxes? And this gives them great power and privilege which they in turn leverage into interfering in our politics. Which leads to their pathetic SJWs Virtue Signalling bad laws into the books.
Bad laws harm Good people, and we shouldn’t be forced to subsidize such anti-American behavior. It’s madness, and perplexing why more noise isn’t made of it. I guess when they’re constantly drowning people in propaganda, it causes such distraction that keeps the base harping on about Hillary and Liberals 24/7, rather than doing their duty as an American and standing up for our freedoms and liberties.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2018 Mar 22, 10:03am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2018 Mar 22, 10:03am
What’s amazing is record low unemployment for black and brown. If the election were held today, more blacks would vote for Trump than any other Republican presidential candidate in my lifetime. Yet lefties hate...HATE Trump.
Well done.
Well done.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 10:04am
CovfefeButDeadly says
Why would they vote for Trump now?
What’s amazing is record low unemployment for black and brown. If the election were held today, more blacks would vote for Trump than any other Republican presidential candidate in my lifetime. Yet lefties hate...HATE Trump.
Well done.
Why would they vote for Trump now?
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 10:08am
Goran_K says
Here's the truth.Nailed it. It's depressing to see the Left look for any glimpse of victimization because being a victim is comforting, as opposed to accepting that you're just not any good or can't perform/compete against the next guy. It's classic skirting of accountability for one's life, actions, decisions and outcomes.
People are much better at making excuses than working hard.
These people tend to vote Democrat and accept victim-hood.
These people will almost never, ever succeed in life.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 22, 10:14am
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
That's funny, because Trump and his supporters have taken victimhood to a new level. Everyone is out to get him (and them). The media. The deep state. The FBI. The DOJ. Establishment Republicans. You name it.
If there is a bigger group of special snowflakes than Trump Supporters, I've yet to meet them.
It's depressing to see the Left look for any glimpse of victimization because being a victim is comforting, as opposed to accepting that you're just not any good or can't perform/compete against the next guy. It's classic skirting of accountability for one's life, actions, decisions and outcomes.
That's funny, because Trump and his supporters have taken victimhood to a new level. Everyone is out to get him (and them). The media. The deep state. The FBI. The DOJ. Establishment Republicans. You name it.
If there is a bigger group of special snowflakes than Trump Supporters, I've yet to meet them.
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zzyzzx
2018 Mar 22, 10:14am
zzyzzx
2018 Mar 22, 10:14am
errc says
At least some of them will recognize that they got their job because of Trump. Like when that Chicago bakery got 800 of it's workers deported, and they were replaced by blacks.
Why would they vote for Trump now?
At least some of them will recognize that they got their job because of Trump. Like when that Chicago bakery got 800 of it's workers deported, and they were replaced by blacks.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 10:31am
Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 10:31am
Feux Follets says
The whole point is that the guy is black, and yes, some people would say scary-looking, but it has not impeded his progress in life.
Why does your friend have to have an "identifier" - why can't your friend just be your "friend" ? Is it necessary for everyone to assign "identifiers" ?
Does your friend assign an "identifier" to you when talking about you or introducing you to others ?
Seems the world would be much better off by stating simply I have a friend. Should further conversation proceed, at an appropriate time it would possibly be appropriate to include such "friend" has done well with his or her investments.
Patrick saysHe's kind of scary looking at first glance, like 6'5" and muscular
Is this a thinly veiled reference to scary "black people" ?
The whole point is that the guy is black, and yes, some people would say scary-looking, but it has not impeded his progress in life.
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Bd6r
2018 Mar 22, 10:52am
Bd6r
2018 Mar 22, 10:52am
errc says
Sure it exists. We can even quantify it in college/med school applications.
I’ve seen a few of the regulars here suggest that racism doesn’t exist lol
Sure it exists. We can even quantify it in college/med school applications.
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NuttBoxer
2018 Mar 22, 11:23am
NuttBoxer
2018 Mar 22, 11:23am
Anything the state propaganda factory hypes to death is certainly bullshit. My friend Curtis has a BS in electrical engineering, is an avid football fan, and one of the dorkiest guys I know, in a good way. He works in SW QA, has owned the same car ever since I met him, and lived in the same apartment forever, so his money and time are both well spent. No kids, girlfriend, grew up in South East San Diego. Ethnicity had dick to do who he is, or his success.
When it comes to conversations about that ethnic disparity, a white friend of mine is the one who brings up that stuff the most often. He's also the one who prefers rap, and wants to seem cooler than he is. People who obsesses about ethnicity and "race", are either racists, or self-loathers.
When it comes to conversations about that ethnic disparity, a white friend of mine is the one who brings up that stuff the most often. He's also the one who prefers rap, and wants to seem cooler than he is. People who obsesses about ethnicity and "race", are either racists, or self-loathers.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 12:25pm
Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 12:25pm
drB6 says
Lol, yes, there is definitely discrimination against whites and Asians in college and grad school admissions.
Asians sued Harvard for discrimination against them:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/18/rejected-asian-students-sue-harvard-over-admissions-that-favor-other-minorities.html
errc saysI’ve seen a few of the regulars here suggest that racism doesn’t exist lol
Sure it exists. We can even quantify it in college/med school applications.
Lol, yes, there is definitely discrimination against whites and Asians in college and grad school admissions.
Asians sued Harvard for discrimination against them:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/18/rejected-asian-students-sue-harvard-over-admissions-that-favor-other-minorities.html
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 12:26pm
HappyGilmore says
Everyone is out to get him (and them). The media. The deep state. The FBI. The DOJ. Establishment Republicans. You name it.Cuz it's true lol
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 22, 1:06pm
Goran_K
2018 Mar 22, 1:06pm
HappyGilmore says
Slaves and masters, just like the Democrats of 160 year ago. Nothing has changed.
But the truth seems to change so much. I thought Dems were the elite snobs that looked down upon the average Joe.
Trump supporters really need to make up their mind about which narrative they are going with. Are Dems lazy welfare queens or rich, limousine, soy boys?
Slaves and masters, just like the Democrats of 160 year ago. Nothing has changed.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 22, 1:51pm
Goran_K says
lol--obviously haven't read any of the links that were provided. I figured as much.
Slaves and masters, just like the Democrats of 160 year ago. Nothing has changed.
lol--obviously haven't read any of the links that were provided. I figured as much.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 3:02pm
Equal rights, not equal outcomes. Minorities and women have had the same rights as White Men for decades. There will always be good looking men who will get more pussy (without paying for it) than any of us combined. That's not fair...shall we scar up their face to make things more equal?
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 22, 3:22pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 22, 3:22pm
HappyGilmore says
Equal opportunity is a tyrrsnical fever dream. Equal rights and representation under the law is the goal.
Currently, conservatives, men, whites, and asians are being oppressed. Are you ok w this?
The US should be a place where everyone has equal opportunity.
Equal opportunity is a tyrrsnical fever dream. Equal rights and representation under the law is the goal.
Currently, conservatives, men, whites, and asians are being oppressed. Are you ok w this?
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 22, 3:25pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 22, 3:25pm
Patrick says
As they should. Any idea what happened?
Limiting Asian acceptance to universities is racist as fuk. Just terrible.
Asians sued Harvard for discrimination against them:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/18/rejected-asian-students-sue-harvard-over-admissions-that-favor-other-minorities.html
As they should. Any idea what happened?
Limiting Asian acceptance to universities is racist as fuk. Just terrible.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 3:29pm
Patrick
2018 Mar 22, 3:29pm
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
I agree. But I'd also say that we should take care of our own people. Lots of people are not able to compete for one reason or another. Differences in talent, disease, other unfortunate circumstance.
So the big question is then "Who are our people?"
Diversity divides us. Diversity destroys community. What we need is to get back to a melting pot ideal of a common national culture, so we can all feel we are in it together.
Equal rights, not equal outcomes.
I agree. But I'd also say that we should take care of our own people. Lots of people are not able to compete for one reason or another. Differences in talent, disease, other unfortunate circumstance.
So the big question is then "Who are our people?"
Diversity divides us. Diversity destroys community. What we need is to get back to a melting pot ideal of a common national culture, so we can all feel we are in it together.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 22, 3:40pm
Patrick says
This won’t be possible so long as The Church demands to interject in America’s Secular, Liberal way of life
PrivilegedtobeWhite saysEqual rights, not equal outcomes.
I agree. But I'd also say that we should take care of our own people. Lots of people are not able to compete for one reason or another. Differences in talent, disease, other unfortunate circumstance.
So the big question is then "Who are our people?"
Diversity divides us. Diversity destroys community. What we need is to get back to a melting pot ideal of a common national culture, so we can all feel we are in it together.
This won’t be possible so long as The Church demands to interject in America’s Secular, Liberal way of life
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Shaman
2018 Mar 22, 4:24pm
Shaman
2018 Mar 22, 4:24pm
Equal opportunity is a laudable goal, but it’s unattainable. Even should all bias be removed as to culture or ethnicity (and I do think this is another laudable goal), the accident of birth will put people with the same ability into households of differing wealth and more or less effective culture. Of the two, culture might be the more defining. A poor person raised with good work ethic will likely succeed to a moderate to large level. While a rich person raised poorly with a poor work ethic is probably doomed to failure, addiction, and eventual poverty.
@patrick Your rich black friend mentioned that he credits a lot of his success to his dad and his family. That’s another data point pointing out that success is more likely with a good family culture.
@patrick Your rich black friend mentioned that he credits a lot of his success to his dad and his family. That’s another data point pointing out that success is more likely with a good family culture.
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He's kind of scary looking at first glance, like 6'5" and muscular, but that's just appearance. He's actually very pleasant to talk to, which you quickly figure out if you chat with him.
So I asked him if discrimination had been any significant impediment to his self-achieved success, and he doesn't seem to have an answer for that. Clearly it didn't stop him. My conclusion is that most of the hype about discrimination is bullshit. If you're motivated and stay on track, this country still works, no matter where you came from.
Dude, if you're reading this, very happy to get your perspective too.