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Mexico just agreed to pay for the wall

By Tim Aurora following x   2018 Mar 22, 7:38am 2,080 views   34 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Wednesday night to boast about the $1.6 billion that was earmarked in the new omnibus spending bill for his oft-touted wall project along the U.S.-Mexico border.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/remember-trump-said-mexico-pay-064210946.html

Just Kidding. Like I always believed he was trolling his base
1   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 22, 8:57am   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Mexico will pay for the wall, believe me.

Even if we can reduce crossings by 20%, it pays for itself in savings on Public Schools, Food Stamps (YES, you can get them w/o proving citizenship), Medical Care (YES, you can get that without proving citizenship), the billions and billions on ER admissions (at least 5% of all medical costs, maybe 10%), and the general drain on public resources.

Taxing MoneyGram and Western Union 10% for transfers to Mexico would pay for the wall, too.
2   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 22, 9:12am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

the billions and billions on ER admissions (at least 5% of all medical costs, maybe 10%

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Illegal Mexican Laborers are responsable for 5-10% of all medical costs? Any proof?
3   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 22, 9:14am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

ER Admissions are probably 5-10% of all Medical Costs in the USA.

Illegals are probably 10-20% of that, or tens of billions.

errc says
Illegal Mexican Laborers are responsable for 5-10% of all medical costs? Any proof?


Guesstimation. When they slice off a finger cutting a board on site, or fall off the roof, do you think the contractor who picked them up at Home Depot is paying the bills? LOL

Like Voting in Washington, Hospitals generally don't keep track and nobody collates that info anyway. Why would the Establishment want to know and provide evidence against their favorite arbitrage mechanism? Just like Sweden stopped recording race and immigration status of criminals, that way there would be no hard evidence, even though everybody knows that Rapefugees and Migrants are fueling a crime wave.

Nope, the people who pay are the working class Americans, who get assessed more taxes to pay for people to come and lower the wages, while the contractors laugh all the way to the bank.

Tell me, does Mexico pay the $8-10,000 per student for illegals when illegal kids go to school? Is Juan's off-the-books $120/day paying Cali Income Tax? How is Juan's sales taxes helping, when he only makes $30k/year and lives mostly off his wife's Food Stamps?
4   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 22, 9:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
ER Admissions are probably 5-10% of all Medical Costs in the USA.

Illegals are probably 10-20% of that, or tens of billions.
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20% of 10% is only 2%.
5   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 22, 9:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
while the contractors laugh all the way to the bank.


That's why Trump is always smiling.
6   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 22, 9:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
20% of 10% is only 2%.


Which is about $64 Billion Dollars. Medical Care was $3.2T in the USA last year. I think that's 4 NASA Budgets. That's a lot of Mars Rovers, could probably have two moon bases for that kind of money, with billions to spare on space telescopes and an ISS replacement.

You never saw clearly illegal people in the ER before? I've seen dozens on a friday night, from Oregon to Florida to New Jersey. Each one is a thousand, maybe thousands of dollars, Now multiply that across the nation and by 365 days in a year. Easily Billions, you can add in child births and people rammed by drunken driving Mexicans and everything else, number would be even higher.

Remember, off-the-books workers don't pay into medicaid and don't pay private insurance. 100% Taxpayer funded, big Government subsidy for contractors and illegals, mostly on the backs of local working and middle class taxpayers. Huge Wealth Transfer to the rich and to foreigners.

Why do you support wealth transfer from working and middle class American families to shady contractors, banks, and foreigners? And yes, Mexico taxes their remittances, it's a top 5 source of income for the Mexican Government, which is then mostly spent on programs and projects that people like Carlos Slim benefit from.

The wild thing is that not only is it horribly unfair and regressive, but they're also subsidizing the reduction in wages, which means lower wages for them, and thus, lower federal income tax revenue, expanding the debt.

Illegals have to go.
7   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 22, 9:33am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I don't like this budget bill-it is the biggest pork bill in a long while-not what I voted for.
8   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 22, 9:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Gotta get rid of Ryan, stat.
9   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 22, 9:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
You never saw clearly illegal people in the ER before? I've seen dozens on a friday night, from Oregon to Florida to New Jersey


ICE should hire you if you can tell ones immigration status by looking at him. That is a rare skill.
10   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 22, 5:59pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

You never saw clearly illegal people in the ER before

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Most of the people I’ve ever seen in the ER were clearly illegal

They were drunks who either were DUI, crashed snd hurt themselves, victims of a Drunk Driver, or the whole other slew of crime that Alcohol Consumers commit on a regular basis.

If you want to reduce crime and Healthcare costs at the same time, you should address the alcohol epidemic and all the costs that they thrust on the rest of us.

We should execute drunk drivers and any manufacturer or establishment who vend alcohol needs to be liable for any and all damages, restitution and be subject to asset forfeiture
11   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 22, 6:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Mexico will pay for the wall, believe me.

Even if we can reduce crossings by 20%, it pays for itself in savings on Public Schools, Food Stamps (YES, you can get them w/o proving citizenship), Medical Care (YES, you can get that without proving citizenship), the billions and billions on ER admissions (at least 5% of all medical costs, maybe 10%), and the general drain on public resources.

Taxing MoneyGram and Western Union 10% for transfers to Mexico would pay for the wall, too.


Wait, are you saying that Mexico isn't just going to write a check for the wall?

There's actually other ways for Mexico to "pay"?

Did you alert the Libbies to these new concepts? They will probably be pissed that you ruined their narrative.
12   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 22, 6:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Trump will still continue deporting and strengthening the wall.
There will be other rounds Trump has time to get his wall. This plays excellent for the election the Liberals wont be able to say Trump never gives them their way.
In fact Trump promoting how the greedy pigs threw the DACA recipients under the bus in Lieu of an Obama style temporary appeasement Amnesty. More classic Liberal can kicking.
And none of the Liberal shitbirds could even be bothered what's in the 3000 pages of Liberal nonsense and Gobbledygook that doesn't build a wall or resolve DACA.

Trump has the PIssheads eating right out of his Tacobowl.
13   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 22, 7:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I've seen dozens on a friday night, from Oregon to Florida to New Jersey.


Wow, able to be in emergency rooms from oregon to florida to new jersey on a friday nigh,t able to tell immigration status in a single bound. It's a bird, it's a plane, it's supersomething. Amazing. You must have one shitload of frequent flyer miles. Interesting hobby you have.

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Which is about $64 Billion Dollars. Medical Care was $3.2T in the USA last year. I think that's 4 NASA Budgets. That's a lot of Mars Rovers, could probably have two moon bases for that kind of money, with billions to spare on space telescopes and an ISS replacement.


Really, 64 billion for illegals in the er. That's interesting since total uncompensated care in 2016 was only 38 billion for everyone illegal, citizen, and legal. For the entire hospital, not just er. What do you know that the hospitals don't? Did you add it all up while checking every hospital in the country on an average Friday night? Are you saying the hospitals don't know how much it cost them but you do? https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2018-01-04-hospital-uncompensated-care-costs-climb-2016
14   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 22, 7:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Which is about $64 Billion Dollars
which is really $21 billion because ER bills are triple what they should be. They make them so high so that when they don't pay they have a big write off so the hospital doesn't make money because it has so many unpaid over inflated ER bills. It truly is a racket.
15   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 23, 3:37am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
which is really $21 billion because ER bills are triple what they should be. They make them so high so that when they don't pay they have a big write off so the hospital doesn't make money because it has so many unpaid over inflated ER bills. It truly is a racket.


You haven't looked at the annual reports of many hospitals have you? Hospitals are making profits hand over fist.
16   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 23, 7:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
Hospitals are making profits hand over fist.


Thank goodness for Obamacare and expanded Medicaid. Happy that you're paying for everyone's medical treatment yet?
17   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (32)   2018 Mar 23, 8:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Thank goodness Michelle Obama drives busses around filling them with ultra violent jihadis and dropping them off at ERs for emergency sex change operations and liver transplants.
18   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 23, 9:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
Really, 64 billion for illegals in the er. That's interesting since total uncompensated care in 2016 was only 38 billion for everyone illegal, citizen, and legal. For the entire hospital, not just er. What do you know that the hospitals don't? Did you add it all up while checking every hospital in the country on an average Friday night? Are you saying the hospitals don't know how much it cost them but you do? https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2018-01-04-hospital-uncompensated-care-costs-climb-2016

From your own link:

Uncompensated care is care for which no payment was received from the patient or insurer. It is the sum of a hospital’s bad debt and financial assistance costs, but does not include other unfunded costs of care, such as underpayment from Medicare and Medicaid. It also does not account for other services and programs that hospitals provide to meet identified community needs.

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2018-01-04-hospital-uncompensated-care-costs-climb-2016
It's a survey (not mandated reporting and likely not at all comprehensive) that by it's own admission doesn't include "Other Services and Programs... hospitals provide... to meet identified community needs."

Which is broader than than the Pacific. "Community Needs" is the modern euphemism for uninsured people... ie illegals (and the homeless and drug addicts and others). It also means they're not including local/state/federal money to pay for "Community Needs" since they got paid for it, as it comes directly from the taxpayer. As we saw with California's CAPI or Massachussetts "Health Care Safety Net" that covers "STATE Residents", but not necessarily US Citizens.

If this is saying $38B, it's probably a lot higher.
19   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 24, 8:24am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
There's actually other ways for Mexico to "pay"?


I want to see dollar not some spin as to how it hurt Mexico and was good for USA. Or how we will retrieve it is 500 years. And I have been waiting for those since last year.
20   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 24, 12:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
lostand confused says
I don't like this budget bill-it is the biggest pork bill in a long while-not what I voted for.


Yes - you did, back in November of 2016. Everything that comes after November of 2016, the voters voted for. Those that wanted Potus and those that didn't but those that put Potus in office own this as much as the person who signed it and those who pushed it along.


So, you're saying Hillary would have been better and she would have balanced the budget?
21   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 24, 1:57pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
So, you're saying Hillary would have been better and she would have balanced the budget?


Not balanced but less deficit. For all her Progressive credentials both Bill and Hillary are against handouts and Bill had a proven record. If you see this year, the deficit has increased. She was crooked too but Trump is outright corrupt to the core ( see Jared's loan from Citibank) and with businesses in many countries, it is much easier to siphon money.
22   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 24, 9:59pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Which is broader than than the Pacific. "Community Needs" is the modern euphemism for uninsured people... ie illegals (and the homeless and drug addicts and others). It also means they're not including local/state/federal money to pay for "Community Needs" since they got paid for it, as it comes directly from the taxpayer. As we saw with California's CAPI or Massachussetts "Health Care Safety Net" that covers "STATE Residents", but not necessarily US Citizens.

If this is saying $38B, it's probably a lot higher.


Put some real numbers too it instead of a bunch of unsupported suppositions. Along with some legal definitions.. Shouldn't be hard on your next cruise around all the countries hospitals on a slow firday night while magically assessing peoples residency status with a single glance. I'll be waiting, and waiting, and waiting

You were claiming 64 billion for ILLEGALS ALONE. Now it's PROBABLY a lot higher than 38B for ALL UNINSURED? ROFLOL. Just a tiny, little, small discrepancy.
23   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 25, 12:41am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
So, you're saying Hillary would have been better and she would have balanced the budget?


Bill did.
24   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 25, 1:41pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I may not have time to post this once the nuclear war starts that GOP is gearing up for. There are so many billions going into nuclear war it is difficult to imagine it not happening.



In the real world, no one is coming to get Hillary. Crooked Hillary was a slogan that was weaponized and then publicly bragged about by Cambridge Analytica and then Russian Hackers also to influence voters.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/opinions/trump-cambridge-analytica-clinton-slogan-opinion-psaki/index.html

Clicks equal money, feelz rule you, outrage is a big money industry, you don't own your attacks you parrot them, it's too late by the time you see you've been pwned, you just have to try to save face and change the subject to uhhh .... Hillary or Obama or leftists.

So wisdom is another thing for Fox and alt right extremists to run out of town.

Human decency is an inefficiency and an obstacle for profitability to overcome. If someone should mention decency, just call them a commie, or any of the stupidity trigger words.

You got no pension, Social Security is stolen, investments are all that matter now.
25   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 25, 3:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

jazz_music says
I may not have time to post this once the nuclear war starts that GOP is gearing up for. There are so many billions going into nuclear war it is difficult to imagine it not happening.


Remind me of that time Obama got North Korea to come to the negotiating table and voluntarily stop their Ballistic Missile and Nuclear Weapon testing?
26   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 25, 3:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
Put some real numbers too it instead of a bunch of unsupported suppositions. Along with some legal definitions.. Shouldn't be hard on your next cruise around all the countries hospitals on a slow firday night while magically assessing peoples residency status with a single glance. I'll be waiting, and waiting, and waiting


Yes, let me go collate information that nobody collects. It's right there in the AHA survey: They DON'T COUNT money that hospitals are paid by Government to treat the uninsured - including illegals.

If THEY don't count it, how the fuck am I supposed to count it?

"There's no voter fraud in Washington. We know because we're on the honor system and don't require proof of citizenship or residency. Since we don't track it, and we won't let you have the voter records to track it yourself, and even if we did you couldn't compel cooperation, there is no voter fraud."

If you think there is only about $38B in unpaid ER bills in the entire country with $3,200,000,000 in medical spending, well, I don't know what to tell you.
27   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 25, 4:27pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Yes, let me go collate information that nobody collects. It's right there in the AHA survey: They DON'T COUNT money that hospitals are paid by Government to treat the uninsured - including illegals.

If THEY don't count it, how the fuck am I supposed to count it?


No one counts what the government pays hospitals? Really, you believe that? Ok whatever dude.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

If you think there is only about $38B in unpaid ER bills in the entire country with $3,200,000,000 in medical spending, well, I don't know what to tell you.


Tell me you screwed up and made a dumb post. Here is a good although dated article that lays out exactly what the costs are. Yes the net is in the 30B range, with gross 85 billion and about 55 billion in federal, state,local grants to compensate. https://www.kff.org/uninsured/report/uncompensated-care-for-the-uninsured-in-2013-a-detailed-examination/

Do you want to stand by your claim that uncompensated care is 64 billion for illegals alone?
29   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 29, 8:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
No one counts what the government pays hospitals? Really, you believe that? Ok whatever dude.


Jesus, it says right up front they're only counting money they AREN'T Compensated For.

Not that they DON'T receive compensation. Nor the Total Costs.



bob2356 says
Do you want to stand by your claim that uncompensated care is 64 billion for illegals alone?


Wow, my rough guess by running a percentage on the GDP was pretty good, given that's 2013.

From your link:

In 2013, $53.3 billion was paid to help providers offset uncompensated care costs. Most of these funds ($32.8 billion) came from the federal government through a variety of programs including Medicaid and Medicare, the Veterans Health Administration, and other programs. States and localities provided $19.8 billion, and the private sector provided $0.7 billion.

Did that help cover ALL the costs or just some? Do you think it's unreasonable that some of those uncompensated care costs might have been passed to other hospital patients via higher prices?

How many poor citizens in the USA aren't either on Medicaid, Medicare, some State Program, etc.? How many you think were illegal aliens that qualified for NO program?

Remember, Medicaid/Medicare by law is for citizens only.

I would guess that a huge chunk of that total sum, probably the majority, was spent on illegals.
30   Tim Aurora   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 16, 1:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Still waiting on Mexico. I want to see those greenbacks man.
31   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 16, 1:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Tim Aurora says
Still waiting on Mexico. I want to see those greenbacks man.



If we levy a remittance tax, that is Mexico paying for the wall.
32   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 16, 4:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I would guess


That makes it a FACT it would appear. It's true because I believe it should be true is the gold standard here at patnet.
33   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 16, 7:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

bob2356 says
That makes it a FACT it would appear. It's true because I believe it should be true is the gold standard here at patnet.



Whatever is not quantified, doesn't exist. That sounds like wisdom.
34   bob2356   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 17, 3:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Whatever is not quantified, doesn't exist. That sounds like wisdom.


So you say. Conservatives do faith based so well. You just have to believe.




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