We get to pick lesser of two evils my friend.

Presently I’m on Republicans side, even though I don’t agree with lots of stuff they do.

Ike was right, once you create cash cow incentive, it’s very hard to get rid of it.

FortWayne says

We get to pick lesser of two evils my friend.

Presently I’m on Republicans side, even though I don’t agree with lots of stuff they do.

I haven't voted GOP yet, I was planning to in 2020. Let's be clear, I blame the Democrats for being the driving force for pushing the country towards statism, but the establishment GOP also has a hand in this as well. Trump was a breath of fresh air, hated the big state, not scared to stand up to the MSM, and fervently in support of American centric policies

Yet even him, he couldn't stand up to the military industrial complex and other big government entities. I have no doubt he did so under duress, because the guy publicly threatened to veto the spending bill, but he still signed it when it got to his desk.

As it is now, the US is headed towards a future where government continues to get bigger and bigger, and individual freedom becomes less and less important. I'll probably be dead by the time it becomes a full statist nation, but I just don't see the Constitution/Bill of Rights surviving for much longer. I mean, the country came one SCOTUS vote away from losing the 2nd Amendment in DC vs Heller. I could see that right disappearing in a century if the makeup of the court becomes more left leaning.

The 1st amendment is quickly disappearing. There will soon be laws criminalizing using the wrong pro-nouns, saying the wrong words, typing the wrong words. It won't be around for much longer either.

The U.S is becoming a victim of the tragedy of the commons. Too many unproductive, lazy people, many third world illegals, and statist immigrants from the EU and Asia are changing the political landscape of the country. These people are far too willing to give up their individual rights to the government, and let the government run their lives.

Trump may have been a last grasp at preserving the U.S as a model of a "free nation", but make no mistake, signing the Omnibus was a step in the wrong direction.

Agreed. Terrible spending bill. Politico made fun of Rand for opposing it, tells you how much the left loves this bill.

We need rand paul for 2020

CBOEtrader says

We need rand paul for 2020

I voted for his father twice, donated money to him.

Rand Paul would be a real reversal of the drive towards big government, but I have a feeling the CIA would assassinate someone like him if he miraculously was elected POTUS. A guy like Rand would be a huge threat to big government entities and they would not take it lightly.

mell says

tells you how much the left loves this bill.

Sanctuary cities funded, PP still funded. DACA kids of course left to fend for themselves though. Democrats don't really care much for DACA kids, they'd rather maintain the status quo where illegals are tolerated, some able to succeed, but the majority of them living in squalor, working low wage under the table jobs, but voting Democrat.

Patience by Tuesday Chuck Schumer is going to be Howling from the Rafters, as it were.
Over all of the shit Trump got and what he can do with his 800bln.
The Army Corp of engineers doesn't need Congress to tell them what projects they can take on or not.
wink wink!

So we have many elements in the bill that we wanted. Just to look at a few of them, we’re providing $654.6 billion in total discretionary funding for defense. It’s a record. All records for defense.

Vox is already seething

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/23/17156900/omnibus-spending-bill-trump-statement

Rand Paul would be ideal.
He pisses of both sides on the regular.

Goran_K says

Yet even him, he couldn't stand up to the military industrial complex and other big government entities. I have no doubt he did so under duress, because the guy publicly threatened to veto the spending bill, but he still signed it when it got to his desk.

This is true, Goran.

What we need to do is start voting tactically.

If I lived in WI-01, I would vote against Ryan. Even if I had to vote for the flaming Leftist Teacher. Why? Punishment. Make it REALLY hard for them to bullshit.

Ryan and McConnell promised the wall and budgets, "If we just gave them another chance... the Supermajority in the Senate... Blah Blah Blah."

They had chance after chance after chance, and they have to go. This is yet another time Ryan's Congress has refused to pass a real budget, just chunks of omnibus spending. It's been going on for years and years now.

Trump has so many irons in the fire, I don't think he could have really veto'd this and opened yet another front, but I don't think he'll let this happen again.

Feux Follets says

From the Drudge Report. Anyone from the base want to admit they've been had by a snake oil salesman ?

How many Ryan Omnibuses did Obama sign again?

How dare any asshole not vote against their best interest.

There was absolutely no freakin' reason Lyin' Ryan and Mitch McChina had to introduce this spending bill. The Filibuster threat was bullshit.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

I don't think he could have really veto'd this and opened yet another front, but I don't think he'll let this happen again.

The big issue was that Congress waited (again) until the 11:00 hour to vote and pass it. It gives the President virtually hours to make a decision to sign or veto. Can you imagine what Rachel Maddow,Morning Joe and Chris Cuomo would have said if he vetoed it?

The headline would have read "Trump shuts down the Government)!!!!!!

Sniper says

The headline would have read "Trump shuts down the Government)!!!!!!

That's what they wanted, Trump is going to slow walk their funds, while he uses his discretionary pork to fund his projects Congress wont fund.

What would it take to create a viable third party?

Goran_K says

it just goes to show, both parties are beholden

FortWayne says

We get to pick lesser of two evils my friend.

You're making me post this again:

Feux Follets says

Given the extreme running off at the mouth that Potus has displayed since back in early 2016 this should not have been a problem to make a decision especially for a "stable genius" of all people - the Stephen Hawking of deal making - not.

What were his choices with only a few hours to go until government shut down?

How about placing blame where it belongs, on the game congress plays right up to the deadline. It's not like they didn't know when the shutdown was going to happen.

Patrick says

What would it take to create a viable third party?

A decent candidate for starters.

You available?

Sniper says

You available?

Maybe one day. First I'd like to work out a coherent platform that could possibly get the enthusiastic support of 51% of the population.

Goran_K says

FortWayne says

We get to pick lesser of two evils my friend.

Presently I’m on Republicans side, even though I don’t agree with lots of stuff they do.

I haven't voted GOP yet, I was planning to in 2020. Let's be clear, I blame the Democrats for being the driving force for pushing the country towards statism, but the establishment GOP also has a hand in this as well. Trump was a breath of fresh air, hated the big state, not scared to stand up to the MSM, and fervently in support of American centric policies

Yet even him, he couldn't stand up to the military industrial complex and other big government entities. I have no doubt he did so under duress, because the guy publicly threatened to veto the spending bill, but he still signed it when it got to his desk.

As it is now, the US is headed towards a future where government continues to get bigger and bigger, and individual free...

I do think the 2nd amendment is going to be amended at some point, but it's going to be because of abuse of those rights. Guns are being stockpiled by a minority of disgruntled Americans that fear other Americans. All it will take is for them to flip and turn their gun power on other Americans, triggering a brutal civil war. After that is done you can kiss goodbye to gun freedoms.

ThreeBays says

Guns are being stockpiled by a minority of disgruntled Americans that fear other Americans. All it will take is for them to flip and turn their gun power on other Americans, triggering a brutal civil war.

You need a clarifier to "Americans". Those Americans will be the politicians/legislators and law enforcement who try and unconstitutional take away those guns. The American who swore to "uphold the constitution", but don't, will be the ones hunted down.

ThreeBays says

After that is done you can kiss goodbye to gun freedoms.

After that, the gun owners will finally be in charge.

Oh, I'd be careful calling them a "minority". It only takes 3%.

Some are slow learners,many more will DIE DUMB!

Republicans ban bump stocks. Bump stocks don't kill people.
Regulating "Corporations are People" Free Market manufacturing.
Republicans killing Entrepreneurial Capitalism.
Yes! Republicans will destroy America.

Patrick says

What would it take to create a viable third party?

Enough Republicans & Democrats,dying.
Maybe 140,000,000 non-voters having enough. I'm delusional!

Sniper says

ThreeBays says

Guns are being stockpiled by a minority of disgruntled Americans that fear other Americans. All it will take is for them to flip and turn their gun power on other Americans, triggering a brutal civil war.

You need a clarifier to "Americans". Those Americans will be the politicians/legislators and law enforcement who try and unconstitutional take away those guns. The American who swore to "uphold the constitution", but don't, will be the ones hunted down.

ThreeBays says

After that is done you can kiss goodbye to gun freedoms.

After that, the gun owners will finally be in charge.

Oh, I'd be careful calling them a "minority". It only takes 3%.

I think it's a fantasy that wouldn't end well for gun owners.

This old age is slowing me down.
To late?

I TOLD YOU SO!

Patrick says

What would it take to create a viable third party?

A better first question is why are less than 20% of Americans deciding who will be the President?

People are stuck in 1776. Devolution is obviously real. How about we bring the USFEDGOV and it’s System of Governance into the 21st century. Why is it not desirable to have more people participating in the process?


First I'd like to work out a coherent platform that could possibly get the enthusiastic support of 51% of the population.


Personal Responsibility over ones health, the only way to truly be free. Staple the food pyramid to The Cross and burn that shit, and have The State fess up that The Liberals were wrong, and if you eat The Food Pyramid, you’re going to be at the doctors office frequently, scratching your heads over why you’re having adverse reactions to the things you put in your body. It’s not the butter, it’s the margerine. When you’re not at the doctors you’ll be watching tv where the largest advertisers are pharmaceutical companies who like how ll the shit you consume in media is designed to get a reaction of you, of Fear. The Mexicans are coming for your jobs and the niggers are going to be raping err pumping all your white bitches, if we let them use Cannabis...err plant based medicine in general, would surely pave the way for a Healthcare system to compete with Land Owners for the last drops of Economic Rent that Labor has to give.

There is nothing more popular in this country politically than Rescheduling Cannabis. Fact

So why do you continue to support Politicians like Donald Trump who will sit a top the entire System lobbing wild shots at anyone he chooses any time of day, somehow feels he’s changed things from MAGA to KAG, hasn’t had the courage or business acumen to stand up and do what’s right. To speak the Truth?

He’s too busy doing the only thing he know how, selling bullshit as one of the best marketers in the game (as if that’s some valuable trait). Oh he tweeted that he would veto the ominbus bill LOL i see, Fart of the Deal he was blabbering on about it yesterday blaming the Democrats? WTF

ThreeBays says

All it will take is for them to flip and turn their gun power on other Americans, triggering a brutal civil war. After that is done you can kiss goodbye to gun freedoms.

That would never happen. 3 Percenters are nationalistic (overwhelmingly), why would they attack America? That sounds like a leftist fantasy.

Also, you severely underestimate how effective the armed militia would be, and over estimate how effective statist/leftist would be at countering them.

Many of the NRA's board members, many who have their own hobbyist gun channels, are former military comprised of NAVY Seals, officers with Command experience, and other special forces. The general Apple Seed participant is a top notch shooter who could put three .223 rounds into the middle of a quarter at 100 yards.

What do leftist have? Guys who don't know what gender they are? Soy boy cucks who majored in Comp Lit to try and get into the pants of a fat retarded feminist? Most of these guys don't even know how to EAT without there being a Whole Foods Market 1.2 miles away, let alone hunt, dress, butcher their own food while surviving off the land.

How the fuck do leftist win a Civil War against the armed militia? I'd estimate one average rifleman would force multiply to around 10-20 soy boy cucks.

All I see is lots of Democrats/leftist being put into mass graves, and their leftist leaders swinging by their necks until dead. It would be a joke of a conflict. You seriously don't want that to happen (neither do I).

Tenpoundbass says

MAGA GOOGOO KAG KAG KAG!

Goran_K says
... All I see is lots of Democrats/leftist being put into mass graves, and their leftist leaders swinging by their necks until dead. It would be a joke of a conflict. ...

As I was mentioning, the 2nd amendment will be destroyed by an abuse of that freedom by a concentration of power used to turn against other Americans.

Feux Follets says

Wasn't the official U.S. line for Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. ?

Exactly. That's what happens when an armed militia engages in asymmetrical warfare against a usurpatious government. The government forces get their asses kicked even with OVERWHELMING military force to muster.

Thank you for proving my point about why the 2nd amendment is so valuable.

ThreeBays says

Yet even him, he couldn't stand up to the military industrial complex and other big government entities. I have no doubt he did so under duress, because the guy publicly threatened to veto the spending bill, but he still signed it when it got to his desk.

Trump has no ideology to stand on. He goes by instinct, without a plan and whatever seems to resonate with his base and he sees as popular. Remember his earlier comments on DACA and Gun violence where he personally supported democrats on that but flipped once his base flipped out.

Beyond that he is in the claws of Putin, for one reason or another.

ThreeBays says

As I was mentioning, the 2nd amendment will be destroyed by an abuse of that freedom by a concentration of power used to turn against other Americans.

Which would never happen. 3 Percenters don't believe in concentration of power (that's the antithesis of the meaning of the 2nd amendment and the founders vision), that's leftist/democrats who want that, and they would die on that hill. There is literally no way an army of soy boy fucks beats a militia of pissed off 3 percenters.

Goran_K says

ThreeBays says

As I was mentioning, the 2nd amendment will be destroyed by an abuse of that freedom by a concentration of power used to turn against other Americans.

Which would never happen. 3 Percenters don't believe in concentration of power (that's the antithesis of the meaning of the 2nd amendment and the founders vision), that's leftist/democrats who want that.

The quarter of Americans that own guns don't believe in the concentration of power. However the 3 percent that own most of the guns ARE a concentration of power. It's not a matter of belief.

Feux Follets says

I did ?

Yes you did.

Was Vietnam/Afghanistan solid proof that armed militia can withstand a national army through the use of small arms and IEDs? 16 years going and Afghanistan is still in turmoil?

You think the 2nd amendment really has no value?

ThreeBays says

The quarter of Americans that own guns don't believe in the concentration of power. However the 3 percent that own most of the guns ARE a concentration of power. It's not a matter of belief.

So? The NRA has 5,000,000 members (nearly 6 million members now that David Hogg started opening his mouth). They are a concentration of power against a tyrannical government. You have a problem with that? Do you want the concentration of power to only be with the Federal government?

See? This is proving my point that leftist want power concentrated with the government.

Tim Aurora says

Trump has no ideology to stand on.

YAY! All of America's troubles in the past few decades have been ideologues and their shitty ideology.

errc says

A better first question is why are less than 20% of Americans deciding who will be the President?

People are stuck in 1776. Devolution is obviously real. How about we bring the USFEDGOV and it’s System of Governance into the 21st century. Why is it not desirable to have more people participating in the process?

I take it then you are opposed to the EU, in favor of Scottish and Catalonian Independence.

Goran_K says

How the fuck do leftist win a Civil War against the armed militia? I'd estimate one average rifleman would force multiply to around 10-20 soy boy cucks.

I see you as a threat from Putin. Trying to sow discord among Americans or it is pure fluff

That said, if the militia tries to take over with a civil war, there will be no America. North will secede along with West. ( No you cannot stop that with guns ). That is where the money is. I think rest of America will look more like Russia, an autocratic state ruled by a demagogue as the 10th-20th economy of the world, totally irrelevant in the world affair and gradually becoming poor ( Democratic states contribute more to the economy than they receive by a vast margin) much like Russia. The other America will be richer and much more advanced and more progressive, though no longer a power like before.

After realizing that, even the militia thinking about civil war, will stop in their tracks.

Feux Follets says

But as I type, aren't you of the camp that believes our military can kick ass when ever where ever just because we're Murica ?

Uh no. I was against the Iraq and Afghan wars (the ones your hero Hillary voted for). I think we should let the muslims sort themselves out.

Tim Aurora says

I see you as a threat from Putin. Trying to sow discord among Americans or it is pure fluff

Given the efficiency of guerilla groups, it seems more like it's Putin that is engineering this campaign to ban firearms.