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Done with Republicans and Democrats, yup. Done.

By Goran_K following x   2018 Mar 24, 9:51am 4,574 views   95 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    




After that terrible crumni-bus bill passed, it just goes to show, both parties are beholden to the military industrial complex. $65.2 billion in Overseas Contingency Operations, or "war budget" funding mostly for Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan., billions to update nuclear weapons systems, another aircraft carrier...

Everything else is peanuts, everything else went by the wayside. Politicians don't care about immigration reform, they don't care about healthcare, they care about bullets and bombs. That's why this incredibly bad budget was passed and signed. I don't blame Donald Trump, I blame the military industrial complex that has this country in a choke hold.

I mean, I'm at a loss here. We should have listened to this man.

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81   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 27, 2:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
the Wall


Why not simply enact mandatory E-verify
82   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 27, 2:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
We’re not allowed to have simple solutions that would actually work


My thinking is that E-Verify will not rile up voting base, while permanent, protracted Battle for Wall will. Kind of like War of Bathrooms-2.
83   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 27, 3:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

drB6 says
Why not simply enact mandatory E-verify


That doesn't stop off-the-books employment by contractors, human smuggling, or drugs. Even if the Wall costs $20B and only stops 30% of the illegal crossings, it will more than pay for itself in Social Programs (CAPI,UC Davis "Undocumented" Legal Aid, etc.), Public School Education (US Avg is ~$10k/year per public school student), Crime/Incarceration savings.

Easily about $120B in costs imposed by illegal immigration, that mostly benefits Wealthy contractors, the Education Mafia, and Coastal Elites.

But of course I prefer E-Verify first.

drB6 says
My thinking is that E-Verify will not rile up voting base, while permanent, protracted Battle for Wall will. Kind of like War of Bathrooms-2.



That, and he can't walk away, as he promised it repeatedly.
84   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 27, 3:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
We’re not allowed to have simple solutions that would actually work


I guarantee you Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Miss Lindsey, and others would fight it tooth and nail.
85   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 27, 3:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
That doesn't stop off-the-books employment by contractors,


100K fine for employing an illegal + perhaps a criminal charge.

TwoScoopsPlissken says
human smuggling


If they can not work/get welfare, no one will be smuggled in.

TwoScoopsPlissken says
he can't walk away, as he promised it repeatedly


Absolutely.
86   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 27, 3:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
That’s not how markets work. If the demand is held constant and supply is restricted by 30%, the cost as well as the price and incentives go up, and we’re right back where we started.



Yep, the pay for Americans goes up because there are fewer illegals, and the chances of being successfully smuggled goes down while the prices charged by smugglers goes up.

More Mexicans say "It was $2000 I had to pay the Coyotes and risk getting caught. Now it's even harder and it costs $5,000? Fuck it, I'll stay in Guadalajara".

Drug Prices go up, so fewer poor people can afford them.

Besides, I don't see any Palestinians paying extra to get over the Israeli Wall.
87   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 27, 4:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Yep, the pay for Americans goes up because there are fewer illegals, and the chances of being successfully smuggled goes down while the prices charged by smugglers goes up.


And the price for Americans to eat fresh fruit and vegetables goes up.

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Drug Prices go up, so fewer poor people can afford them.


We can thank fucks like Martian Shkreli for drug prices going up and Congress for not letting us import them from Canada. And yes each day the price for life saving drugs go up because apparently we don't want capitalism in our drug markets.
88   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 27, 5:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
And the price for Americans to eat fresh fruit and vegetables goes up.


And the price for real American farmers goes up, improving our national security by reducing our dependence on imports.

Farmers invest in more high tech labor saving devices, thus helping the tech and manufacturing sector.

"I want to work somebody 12 hours a day in the hot sun, but pay less than Ace Hardware pays a security guard to sit on their ass in the air conditioning at night, or what Starbucks pays a blue haired nose ringed man-bun to serve coffee."

And, we have the Club of Guest Workers to hold over Mexico. More leverage for us. We should also tax remittances to Mexico, as Mexico does to Mexicans sending money from the USA.

RafiMaas says
We can thank fucks like Martian Shkreli for drug prices going up and Congress for not letting us import them from Canada. And yes each day the price for life saving drugs go up because apparently we don't want capitalism in our drug markets.


Yup. That's Corey Booker (D-NJ), who worked to defeat Bernie's Drug Importation Bill. Interesting that NAFTA enables the destruction of a lot of blue collar jobs, but protects rich Pharma Executives.
89   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 27, 5:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
I see, and that’s the sell? Build the Wall and then that will be the result?



Why not?

If it doesn't work, it only costs $20B pretty much one time which is nothing compared to the Trillions we spend on just the Federal Level.

I find it amusing that the same people who swear it won't do anything, are also the ones trying to close any loophole they can imagine to building one.

Why not let the Wall be built and laugh your ass of?
90   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 27, 6:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
If it doesn't work, it only costs $20B pretty much one time which is nothing compared to the Trillions we spend on just the Federal Level.


Lol government project coming in on budget. By the time all is said and done it will be well more than $20 billion. One time cost, lol, Mexico will pay for the up keep?
91   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 27, 6:44pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Why not let the Wall be built and laugh your ass of?


We are already $20+ trillion in debt what's another $100 billion? Right?
92   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 28, 9:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
I’ve offered much better demand side solutions that would actually produce the desired results. Like ending the War on Drugs


What's that going to do to stop Business from rigging the Labor Market?

Feux Follets says
There will be enhancements, alterations, improvements, - there will never be an end to spending the public's money on this and once the wall is done, then we can go back and build it correctly and make sure all the stuff works cause there will be "stuff" and it won't work first time around or be built quite correctly but the contractor will get paid on time, get a bonus for their work and receive many more lucrative government contracts.


It certainly won't end up costing anything like ACA.
93   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 28, 10:29am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
We are already $20+ trillion in debt what's another $100 billion? Right?


If a $100 billion investment saves me $500 billion in illegal alien support, I'd take that deal everyday and twice on Sundays.
94   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 28, 10:36am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Even if it was $100B to build the wall, Illegals cost about $120B per year in state and federal costs, from incarceration to the DUI to schooling for their kids to Social Programs.

So over 10 years, a one-time $100B investment would save the USA $1.2T in costs. So even at 500% over projected cost of ~$20B, that's some serious change we can believe in.

BTW, DACA is just the beginning. If the Neoliberals get their way, their next request will be to pay Social Security to aged illegals. There was an article I saw the other day, I think in the NYT or Vox or some other outlet, complaining that over 65 illegals "Who worked in this country" weren't getting Social Security.
95   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 28, 10:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says
Believe being the operative word. You’re operating on the wild assumption that the wall stems the flow of immigrants a/o drugs. People and drugs cross the border because the United States has large markets with Demand for Drugs and Cheap Labor. A speed bump in the Supply chain doesn’t address the demand side.


People have been building walls for about 6000 years. I think they work.

errc says
White Biker gangs have been moving drugs across our porous northern border for decades. If the Mexican wall somehow stemmed the flow of drugs in from that small section of our national borders, prices will increase, and the drugs will find their way in just the same. I have to assume the same goes for people.


I don't see too many Quebecois Bikers helping to break unions in pea packing plants, or signing up for Food Stamps.

errc says
There are approximately 2100 U.S. Border Patrol agents working the 4,000 mile border with Canada. Along the Mexico border, less than half the length of the border with Canada, there are 18,000 agents.


That's because Mexico is a shithole third world country, and Canada isn't.

errc says
“If Homeland Security is really concerned with security, and the biggest security threat is terrorism, we should be more worried about the Canadian border than the Mexican border," said Cambell.


That's great, but my main issues is wage crushing by Big Business, attempts to swing the electorate Left by importing third worlders who vote themselves benefits, and of course Drug Smuggling.

Most Domestic Terrorist Fatalities are caused by the scumbag children of MENA Rapefugees, as in San Bernadino, Orlando, etc.

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