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How seriously are we expected to take an article that cites blogs and Breitbart as sources?
most likely cherry-picked.
Higher concentration of CO2 leads to higher AVERAGE temperature across all land, water/ice and air.
"... it's already 1.73°C (or 3.11°F) warmer than preindustrial."
. It is an example of fitting the data to prove a predetermined result
So the temperature has not gone up 2 degrees?
Al Gore's net worth
Evidence will be debated. Lazy speculation will be disregarded.
Onvacation saysEvidence will be debated. Lazy speculation will be disregarded.How much doubt in the existing scientific concensus can you buy for $900 million per year investment?.
global warming denial is limited to the small group of scientists opposed to the consensus on global warming became politically involved, and with support from conservative political interests, began publishing in books and the press rather than in scientific journals. This small group of scientists included some of the same people that were part of the strategy already tried by the tobacco industry. Spencer Weart identifies this period as the point where legitimate skepticism about basic aspects of climate science was no longer justified.
it is hopeless to bullshit people who have the habit of critical thinking and perhaps a well advanced education and place high value on truth.
Real science minded people would admit when the models were wrong and go back to the drawing board and investigate why the model's assumptions and mechanics were in error. Flashing "credentials" is no better than saying all those with a Doctor of Divinity cannot be wrong as an answer to someone who used common sense to question a Biblical account.
So how much has the temperature risen in the last century?Give the alarmism a break until the snow melts.
The left does not care for truth. Obama told them, they follow blindly and call everyone else a racist/bigot/etc... who disagrees.
The subject of anthropomorphic global warming is already studied
So how much has the temperature risen in the last century?
The fraud isn't the idea that CO2 and other human driven activity can raise temps.The fraud is that they know what the relationship is, that we have a deep understanding of all the factors, and that suddenly it's going to go parabolic. In reality, it's gone up very little and it may be a case of diminishing returns... that it may take substantially larger CO2 inputs to successively increase temperature.
You make a fair point
You make a fair point, but the follow up question is just as important: We're heading into unknown territory, where we're relying on possibly dodgy prediction models.. or possibly accurate. Are you willing to roll the dice on that? It may be the more economically costly route in the short term, but honestly, gambling the future of the climate isn't worth it in the long run, and cleaning up this mess will absolutely become more costly the longer we wait. Industrial and population growth are sure as hell not going to help reverse the trend.
But the way to prevent Greenhouse Gasses from going overboard is to restrict Human Population Growth. The easiest way to do this would be to cut off the poorest countries from all interaction with the outside world. The second thing would be to abandon cars, and not wait until the EV non-solution is common. Since adoption of EV would require us to increase electric generation to a huge degree, while shifting to renewable energy which is unreliable. For example, the Germans built something like 15% more wind turbines a year or so ago, but ended up with 3% less electric, simply because wind is unreliable and happened to be on the light side that year.We could also build Thorium plants like crazy. But EV creates a shitton of pollution via the extremely energy-intensive process of collecting and refining rare-earth metals. The place they refine the stuff in China looks like Mordor, literally. Mountains of radioactive waste is a byproduct. Also the batteries don't las...