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Over A Million Illegal Immigrants Issued California Driver's Licenses


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2018 Apr 6, 9:46am   9,897 views  50 comments

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-05/over-million-illegal-immigrants-issued-california-drivers-licenses

California has issued over a million driver's licenses to illegal immigrants over the past three years, according to the Sacramento Bee.

Following the passage of Assembly Bill 60 which went into effect January 1, 2015, the California Department of Motor Vehicles has granted 1,001,000 illegal immigrants licenses as of March 31, according to a Wednesday announcement by the DMV.


And then they can vote.

Is America the only country which lets foreigners vote? Foreigners who have disrespected American law.

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1   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 6, 10:19am  

Patrick says
And then they can vote.


Nobody with a driver's license that doesn't display immigration status would vote.

We don't vet, because everybody is on the Honor System.

And look, nobody voted illegally. We know because we don't check, and therefore there's no evidence of illegal voting.
2   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 10:39am  

If you’re here illegally and try to register to vote with a California ID card or drivers license, the system will kick you out because the DMV database shows you’re a non-citizen. Most people register to vote using their driver's license... so even if there is some fraud, which I'm sure there is, the scale of it likely incredibly small. Not the 3-5 million people our glorious orange leader suggests.
3   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 10:42am  

Evan F. says
If you’re here illegally and try to register to vote with a California ID card or drivers license, the system will kick you out because the DMV database shows you’re a non-citizen.


Are you sure? Does that mean that a citizen who renews his DL via mail* and gets the same AB60 DL as illegals won't be able to register to vote?


*) As opposed to going in and providing proof of citizenship to get Real ID.
4   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 10:49am  

If you're RENEWING a driver's license, then you've ostensibly already proven citizenship. So no, you're not going to get an AB60 DL. Noncitizens who get an AB60 DL can't have voting information even entered into the system.

The idea that noncitizens can register to vote by way of their DL is bullshit made up by the likes of World Net Daily and Fox news. Not saying that that liberal news sources don't bend the truth also, but in this case, it's total nonsense.
5   Patrick   2018 Apr 6, 10:50am  

If you’re here illegally, why are you being granted a driver's license at all? You should be granted a one-way ticket home, pronto.

Sure, employers who are undercutting the wages of the poorest US citizens absolutely love illegal immigrants. Amazingly, liberals who think they are for illegals out of humanitarians reasons are themselves a humanitarian disaster for the our own poor.

Black people in particular, being generally poor, suffer the most from competition with illegals.

Pro-illegal = anti-black

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/at-major-northwest-side-bakery-labor-issues-pit-blacks-vs-hispanics/

"According to a former consultant to the bakery, MSI paid the black workers $14 an hour, versus the $10 an hour the Mexican workers were making through Labor Network."

So Trump did something very good for black people in Chicago by having ICE raid the Cloverhill Bakery. 800 illegals left at $10 per hour, and were replace with local black US citizens at $14 per hour.

An extra $4 may not be much to you, but it's very significant to the people who got these jobs back from illegals.
6   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 10:55am  

Evan F. says
If you're RENEWING a driver's license, then you've ostensibly already proven citizenship. So no, you're not going to get an AB60 DL.


DMV says it right there on their website that you will not get a Real ID if you don't go in person and prove you're a citizen. If you are renewing by mail you will get a restricted license saying "Federal limits apply" in the upper right corner. Same as given to illegals.

If my citizenship is "ostensibly already proven" why am I given a "restricted DL"?
7   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 10:55am  

Way to change the subject! Thought this thread was about AB60, and the fact that you're simply reprinting fake news. Somehow you've pivoted to the suggestion that I'm anti-black, when I NEVER stated that I was either pro- or anti-illegal. gg
8   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 10:58am  

Evan F. says
The idea that noncitizens can register to vote by way of their DL is bullshit made up by the likes of World Net Daily and Fox news


So will or will not a DL with "Federal limits apply" allow a person to register to vote? If not, does that mean that citizens who renewed their DL via mail will get automatically disenfranchised if they attempt to register to vote? If yes, what's stopping illegals from registering by providing the "Federal limits apply" DL?
9   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 11:05am  

I don't know what you're getting by renewing by mail. Perhaps it is the same as a noncitizen. Why don't you just go to a DMV and renew? There are like 180 offices all over CA. You book an appointment and it takes like 15 min. In that case, you're safeguarding your own proof of citizenship and also participating in the system that's designed to be more restrictive in who gets permitted to register to vote.
10   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 11:07am  

Evan F. says
I don't know what you're getting by renewing by mail.


I know, because I read DMV site: you're getting a license with "Federal limits apply". Just like illegals. So, the question stands: if a US citizen gets a DL via mail-in renewal will he, or will he not be denied voter registration?
11   Shaman   2018 Apr 6, 11:11am  

someone else says

Black people in particular, being generally poor, suffer the most from competition with illegals.


Do you think Leftists actually LIKE black people? Ever heard the story of the old lady who swallowed a fly? Then she swallowed a spider to catch the fly...
Import poor immigrants who commit less crime than said group to compete with them and drive them out.
It’s the Grand Dragon...er...Democrat way!
12   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 11:20am  

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
I know, because I read DMV site: you're getting a license with "Federal limits apply". Just like illegals. So, the question stands: if a US citizen gets a DL via mail-in renewal will he, or will he not be denied voter registration?

Do noncitizens get a social security number? Because you can use that to register as an alternative to a driver's license. I just spent less than 5 min googling that for you. It's not that hard.
13   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 6, 11:24am  

Evan F. says
Do noncitizens get a social security number? Because you can use that to register as an alternative to a driver's license.


Have illegals ever been known to use Social Security Numbers that don't belong to them?

I know that they do, I think I told the story before .
14   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 11:26am  

Evan F. says
Satoshi_Nakamoto says
I know, because I read DMV site: you're getting a license with "Federal limits apply". Just like illegals. So, the question stands: if a US citizen gets a DL via mail-in renewal will he, or will he not be denied voter registration?

Do noncitizens get a social security number? Because you can use that to register as an alternative to a driver's license. I just spent less than 5 min googling that for you. It's not that hard.


SSN != citizen. People on fucking H1B/H4 or L1/L2 visas get real SSNs. GC holders get real SSNs. True story.

If AB60 DL is not an obstacle for getting a voter registration and CA has passed a law to automatically register to vote everyone who gets a DL, what's really preventing the illegals from voting? Honor? =))
15   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 11:27am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Have illegals ever been known to use Social Security Numbers that don't belong to them?

I know that they do, I think I told the story before .



GASP. I'm clutching my pearls. You mean that voter fraud EXISTS?!?!
16   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 11:32am  

Evan F. says
TwoScoopsPlissken says

Have illegals ever been known to use Social Security Numbers that don't belong to them?

I know that they do, I think I told the story before .



GASP. I'm clutching my pearls. You mean that voter fraud EXISTS?!?!


He means that The Party bends over backwards to make illegal voting as easy as possible. In fact, it almost (lol) looks like they are encouraging it.
17   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 11:35am  

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
SSN != citizen. People on fucking H1B visa get real SSNs. True story.

If AB60 DL is not an obstacle for getting a voter registration and CA has passed a law to automatically register to vote everyone who gets a DL, what's really preventing the illegals from voting? Honor? =))


H1B visa holders are here legally. Not sure how that's germaine to this discussion. ???

Based on the DMV website, and what you have said, seems to me that an AB60 DL actually IS an obstacle to getting a voter registration. CA only automatically registers people who are issued a "REAL ID."
18   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 6, 11:41am  

Evan F. says
GASP. I'm clutching my pearls. You mean that voter fraud EXISTS?!?!


And the AB60 is a deliberate attempt to muddy the water by conflating citizens with non-citizens by California.
19   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 11:41am  

BTW, there has been a fresh development in all this CA DL covfefe: because of the outcry from citizens who got "Federal limits apply" CA DL via mail and were denied firearm or ammunition purchases because of it the BATF has reversed its policy and now allows the holders of such DLs to buy guns and ammunition despite the language.
20   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 11:45am  

Evan F. says
Satoshi_Nakamoto says
SSN != citizen. People on fucking H1B visa get real SSNs. True story.

If AB60 DL is not an obstacle for getting a voter registration and CA has passed a law to automatically register to vote everyone who gets a DL, what's really preventing the illegals from voting? Honor? =))


H1B visa holders are here legally. Not sure how that's germaine to this discussion. ???


It's illegal for them to vote. Even though they have a real SSN. That's how.
21   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 11:52am  

Evan F. says
Based on the DMV website, and what you have said, seems to me that an AB60 DL actually IS an obstacle to getting a voter registration. CA only automatically registers people who are issued a "REAL ID."


If this is true (still a big if) it means that in process of accomodating illegal aliens CA has disenfranchised US citizens who get their DL renewed via mail (like they did for years before AB60). They will discover that suddenly they can't register to vote if they move between counties. Fuck you, US citizens and your voting rights - we have more important people to care about!
22   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 6, 11:54am  

Politicians, pre 1990: "Does it play in Preoria?"
Politicians, post 1990: Does it piss off Preoria?"
23   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 11:56am  

I'm still waiting for the hard evidence of the scale of voter fraud that's being suggested by Trump. None so far has been provided, beyond the anecdotal crap I read about from a few people here and there on discussion threads like this. And if you see voter fraud yourself, why aren't you reporting it? Most election precincts in CA receive next to nothing in the way of fraud complaints.

Look, I'm all for clamping down on illegal immigration, but building a fucking wall isn't going to do a goddamned thing to stop anyone. The only thing that will really stop them is removing the incentives for them to come in the first place. Punish businesses who hire them? Sure, sounds fine. I'm willing to pay more for my food, my services, etc. But as far as voter registration goes, I have yet to see any sort of large scale fraud by noncitizens. I live in Los Angeles in a heavily Latino area, probably plenty of noncitizens. Here's my anecdote: none of them vote. Literally, none of them, citizens and noncitizens alike. They're all too busy working.
25   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 11:58am  

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
If this is true it means that in process of accomodating illegal aliens CA has disenfranchised US citizens who get their DL renewed via mail (like they did for years before AB60). They will discover that suddenly they can't register to vote if they move between counties. Fuck you, US citizens and your voting rights - we have more important people to care about!


As I mentioned before, why don't you just go to a DMV and get it done in person? This is the reality we now deal with, you want to combat illegal voter fraud then spending a few minutes in person at the DMV is the price you're going to have to pay.
26   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 6, 12:00pm  

Evan F. says
I'm still waiting for the hard evidence of the scale of voter fraud that's being suggested by Trump. None so far has been provided, beyond the anecdotal crap I read about from a few people here and there on discussion threads like this. And if you see voter fraud yourself, why aren't you reporting it? Most election precincts in CA receive next to nothing in the way of fraud complaints.

If you don't look for something, and deliberately muddy the waters to make checking more difficult, you won't find anything.

Therefore, since we didn't find anything because we refuse to look for it, there's no evidence of it!
27   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 12:03pm  

Evan F. says
Satoshi_Nakamoto says
If this is true it means that in process of accomodating illegal aliens CA has disenfranchised US citizens who get their DL renewed via mail (like they did for years before AB60). They will discover that suddenly they can't register to vote if they move between counties. Fuck you, US citizens and your voting rights - we have more important people to care about!


As I mentioned before, why don't you just go to a DMV and get it done in person? This is the reality we now deal with, you want to combat illegal voter fraud then spending a few minutes in person at the DMV is the price you're going to have to pay.


First of all, it's not "a few minutes", secondly it's not really well publicized so many people will be caught off-guard and thirdly this wouldn't be a problem if not for AB60. The Party has created problems for citizens by accomodating illegal aliens. Talking about priorities.

And yes, I personally will go and spend half a fucking day to get what I would otherwise get via mail - normal, non-restricted DL. Thanks, Dems!
28   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 12:06pm  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
If you don't look for something, and deliberately muddy the waters to make checking more difficult, you won't find anything.

Therefore, since we didn't find anything because we refuse to look for it, there's no evidence of it!


Except they did look. Did Trump's voter fraud commission find anything?
29   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 12:12pm  

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
First of all, it's not "a few minutes", secondly it's not really well publicized so many people will be caught off-guard and thirdly this wouldn't be a problem if not ...


I renewed at the Inglewood DMV last year. It took me an hour, door to door, from my house. In @#$#ing INGLEWOOD. If it takes you longer than say, 2 hours, you're doing it wrong.

As far as it not being well publicized, I'd agree, but it really doesn't take long to figure out.
30   WookieMan   2018 Apr 6, 12:30pm  

I don't know about CA, but there's quite literally zero barrier in IL to be able to vote. The biggest hurdle is more like a stripe on the ground... drum roll please.... a utility bill. http://elections.il.gov/votinginformation/voteregforms.aspx

And yes, it's illegal to falsify info on voter registration, but no one is ever, ever going to check this. Plus get this, they're already here illegally, so consequences of secondary fraud are of little consequence to these people. No ID is required at polling places, as I think is the case everywhere.

Given the Southwest side of Chicago's massive hispanic population, there's not a chance in hell politicians don't want ALL of them voting. Then factor this in if you know Chicago even slightly: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/10/14/little-village-retail-strip-is-second-highest-grossing-in-city/

The 2nd highest grossing retail corridor in the 3rd largest city in the country is basically Mexican/Hispanic. Trust me, they're making sure illegals are voting. Think of the sales tax revenue alone. This group has power in Chicago and I've had personal interactions with the power players. They're slimy fuckers.

I'd venture to guess there's close to 6 figures of illegal voting in Northeastern IL. Factor in other high % hispanic towns/cities in the area (Aurora, Elgin, etc) and the actual numbers could be alarming. Even if I'm off and it's only 5 figures, that's enough to potentially swing important elections. Say a US Senator from IL won by 80,000 votes? They're there to represent IL, but they're voting on national policy. And they could essentially be there fraudulently.

I think a border wall is such an asinine idea. So I'm not some illegal "hater" necessarily. It's a boondoggle for contractors to make money. Won't stop a whole lot. That said, illegal immigrants voting should be taken a whole hell of a lot more seriously then it is. It has ACTUAL consequences on citizens if people are getting elected fraudulently. And it IS happening.

Good luck breaking through the Chicago Hispanic caucus' shield though if you want to get actual evidence. In Chicago, illegals are essentially a protected class. This is hands on experience mind you, not news sources.
31   RC2006   2018 Apr 6, 12:31pm  

Giving legal DL to people here illegally=Democrates
32   Patrick   2018 Apr 6, 12:36pm  

Evan F. says
The only thing that will really stop them is removing the incentives for them to come in the first place. Punish businesses who hire them? Sure, sounds fine.


I'm in total agreement with you Evan.

The real criminals in all this are the business owners who are screwing over US citizens because they found that they can evade our labor laws with impunity.

We should create lots of "punity" for them.
33   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 6, 12:47pm  

WookieMan says
I think a border wall is such an asinine idea. So I'm not some illegal "hater" necessarily. It's a boondoggle for contractors to make money. Won't stop a whole lot. That said, illegal immigrants voting should be taken a whole hell of a lot more seriously then it is. It has ACTUAL consequences on citizens if people are getting elected fraudulently. And it IS happening.


The border wall will be more effective in reducing human trafficking and drugs. BUT, it's a symbolic victory at this point. If the Wall happens, E-Verify and Voter Verification can happen. If the Business and Political forces dependent on illegal immigration stop the wall, the chances of E-Verify and Voter Verification are minimal.
34   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 1:44pm  

Evan F. says
The only thing that will really stop them is removing the incentives for them to come in the first place.



Providing DLs, education and medical services, protection from deportation are incentives, no?
35   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 2:13pm  

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Providing DLs, education and medical services, protection from deportation are incentives, no?


People don't trek hundreds/thousands of miles across an essentially militarized border to get a drivers license. Children rarely come here on their own, so education is merely a secondary benefit, as are medical services.

Immigrants come here looking for work and income, first and foremost. Only a tiny fraction of immigrants come here seeking asylum, protection, some sort of lifesaving medical procedure, etc. So, stop businesses from hiring them, and you'll stem the influx.
36   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 2:17pm  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
The border wall will be more effective in reducing human trafficking and drugs. BUT, it's a symbolic victory at this point. If the Wall happens, E-Verify and Voter Verification can happen. If the Business and Political forces dependent on illegal immigration stop the wall, the chances of E-Verify and Voter Verification are minimal.


No, it probably won't. How many tunnels are there connecting the country? The fact that we've found a few dozen of these tunnels likely suggests that there are literally hundreds that we haven't. Also, ever heard of the pacific ocean? Traffickers use these things called 'boats' to transport their goods.

A wall won't do shit, except waste billions.
37   FortWayne   2018 Apr 6, 2:21pm  

I voted, poll workers don’t want to even see an id. They just ask for name so they can match a name on a list.

Ton of room for fraud. I could have said my name is Patrick killea and gotten a ballot in his name. It’s retardedly stupid how easy voting fraud can be.

And some people think illegals don’t vote... right now anyone can stuff ballot box, there is 0 checks.
38   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 6, 2:30pm  

Evan F. says
No, it probably won't. How many tunnels are there connecting the country? The fact that we've found a few dozen of these tunnels likely suggests that there are literally hundreds that we haven't. Also, ever heard of the pacific ocean? Traffickers use these things called 'boats' to transport their goods.

A wall won't do shit, except waste billions.


Yep, there was a guy who thought he was clever in the 80s by using personal boats from Mexico to smuggle drugs. As soon as the CG found out, it pretty much ended. There's very little chance of any boat leaving Mexico for the Pacific Coast of California without being tracked and entered into a database. You might get away with it once or twice, but eventually they realize patterns that differentiate the smuggling boats from somebody in San Diego taking their boat to Baja on vacation.

Ditto with private air and boat traffic to Florida in the far more congested Caribbean.

Digging tunnels requires more resources spent by drug and human smugglers.
39   RWSGFY   2018 Apr 6, 2:33pm  

Evan F. says
Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Providing DLs, education and medical services, protection from deportation are incentives, no?


People don't trek hundreds/thousands of miles across an essentially militarized border to get a drivers license. Children rarely come here on their own, so education is merely a secondary benefit, as are medical services.


All these things makes their stay here much more comfortable. It's fucking obvious.
40   Evan F.   2018 Apr 6, 2:39pm  

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
All these things makes their stay here much more comfortable. It's fucking obvious.

But it's not why they come in the first place. Isn't that fucking obvious, too?

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