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North Korea affirms ICBM and Nuke Testing Halt, Vows to concentrate on Econ Development Instead

By TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy following x   2018 Apr 20, 3:41pm 619 views   33 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea says it has suspended nuclear and long-range missile tests and plans to close its nuclear test site.

The North’s official Korean Central News Agency said the suspension of nuclear and ICBM tests went into effect Saturday.

The country says it’s making the move to shift its national focus and improve its economy.

The announcements came days before North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is set to meet South Korean President Moon Jae-in in a border truce village for a rare summit aimed at resolving the nuclear standoff with Pyongyang.

The North’s decisions were made in a meeting of the ruling party’s full Central Committee which had convened to discuss a “new stage” of policies.

https://apnews.com/5a557d1d62e14d07ac238e4d2e6dd50a?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

#Trump #PromisesKept #ObamaDidntDoThat
1   HEYYOU   ignore (13)   2018 Apr 20, 4:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

N.K has never said anything that it hasn't stood behind.
What's Kim's definition of denuclearize?
I always come to definite conclusions whenever a dictator makes a statement.
2   Hassan_Rouhani   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 20, 4:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

"Trust, but verify" -- RR
3   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 20, 5:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

This is all a distraction from Trump's misremembering of "Wendy Wasserman-Schultz", a far more important issue according the the Media and Leftist Social Media (but I nearly repeat myself)
4   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 20, 5:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

All credit goes to Obama. Ask any democrat.
5   RC2006   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 20, 7:17pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
All credit goes to Obama. Ask any democrat.
You have it all wrong democrats are saying NK are the good guys and should have nukes, just kidding but the sad thing is if they did say that I wouldn't be suprised.
6   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 20, 7:20pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

If this is True and North Korea keeps their word, it's an epic win for The Donald.
7   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 20, 8:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
If this is True and North Korea keeps their word, it's an epic win for The Donald.


They have never kept their word in the past, which is why we can never trust them and let our guards down. Trump's strategy is brilliant.....No carrots just sticks, until there is 100% denuclearization, followed by inspections at our will.
8   WarrenTheApe   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 20, 9:00pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
If this is True and North Korea keeps their word, it's an epic win for The Donald.


True. Which is why one should expect to see eleven more Stormy Daniels stories dominating the media while this goes down. #TrumpDerangementSyndrome
9   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 21, 9:47am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

WarrenTheApe says
Patrick says
If this is True and North Korea keeps their word, it's an epic win for The Donald.


True. Which is why one should expect to see eleven more Stormy Daniels stories dominating the media while this goes down. #TrumpDerangementSyndrome


All Trump has to do is boast about having slept with every whore in the country. That will shut them up.
10   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Apr 21, 9:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

All Trump has to do is boast about having slept with every whore in the country. That will shut them up.

So far, they sleep with him for free, but he has to pay them not to brag. And for a real coupe, he got a Jewish attorney to foot the bill for one of them, and a gossip rag to pay for the other.
11   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 8, 1:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The Trump Administration Is Ready to Redefine a North Korea 'Win'

Trump will likely find a way to claim that the “maximum pressure” technique worked—even if the results from any Kim-Trump meeting fall far short of current rhetoric about denuclearization.

Believing one’s own puffery and press releases is a hazard for many public figures, but probably especially so for Donald Trump. Although the true beliefs of any demagogue may remain hidden, this hazard can be expected to be all the greater to the extent a leader who makes lying an all-consuming way of life, closes himself off from many sources of insight and information, and prefers the company of sycophants.

The hazard may be coming into play regarding the opening with North Korea, centered on the idea that Trump somehow is mainly responsible for the current thaw in relations between the communist hermit kingdom and the rest of the world.

Foreign leaders have learned that flattery is the surest way to get Trump’s attention and cooperation, and in this case South Korean president Moon Jae-in has used that tool to suggest that Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for the thaw. Trump has soaked up the flattery and the chants of “Nobel” at a campaign-style rally of Trump’s supporters in Michigan.

The specific notion in question is that pressure from Trump’s administration has succeeded in making North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un less belligerent and more accommodating than he was before. But pressure on North Korea is nothing new, as a matter of policy by previous U.S. administrations and a collective response from the international community.

There is somewhat more plausibility to the notion that pressure is viewed less in terms of economic sanctions than of the possibility of Trump’s administration launching a military attack on North Korea.

The plausibility comes from Trump’s impulsive nature and the presence of a trigger-happy security adviser such as John Bolton.

Deconstruct the notion a bit more, however, and one runs into the probability that a U.S. attack would elicit a North Korean response that would, even at the conventional level, involve large-scale casualties in South Korea and might well involve the use of nuclear weapons. Kim has displayed enough shrewdness to be able to reason all of this out and to conclude that Trump would be unlikely to commit the folly of initiating such a war.

Moreover, although a genuine breakthrough in North Korea’s relationship with the rest of the world is possible, it has not yet occurred. Nothing has been achieved that materially advances the interests of the United States, world peace, or nuclear nonproliferation.

The current thaw is the latest chapter in a history of Kim and his father interspersing threats with detente. The biggest benefit so far in the Kim-Trump relationship has gone to Kim with the promise of a summit meeting, in which the young dictator would meet on an equal footing with the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

Kim’s offerings so far have been tentative, conditional, or insubstantial—a fact that Trump has misrepresented in his tweets on the subject. North Korea has paused its testing of nuclear devices and missiles in the past, and it can end the current pause just as easily as it has ended earlier ones. The closing of a nuclear test site hardly matters when the mountain in question evidently is no longer usable for testing anyway, and North Korea has plenty of other mountains it can use.

References to “denuclearization” continue to be clouded by North Korean interpretations of that term to imply much more than just Pyongyang giving up its nukes.

Kim’s other promises and offers have been conditioned on the United States or South Korea making major changes, and on North Korean interpretations of what would constitute sufficient change.

To the extent economic pressure played into Pyongyang’s thinking, it is such pressure from China, applied for Beijing’s own reasons, that is far more important than pressure from any other direction, given the patterns of North Korean trade.

To the extent the initiative of any one government other than North Korea itself has been responsible for the current thaw, that would be the government of President Moon, who has skillfully played his diplomatic hand to further his objective of lowering tension on the peninsula.

Moon’s comment about Trump and a Nobel Prize came in response to suggestions that Moon himself deserved such a prize.

Also worth recalling is that a Kim-Trump summit became a news item when Trump reacted impulsively and on the spot to a report from South Korean officials about the much more careful preparatory work that Moon’s government already had performed.

Full Article: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-ready-redefine-north-232900272.html
13   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 10, 11:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Trump will likely find a way to claim that the “maximum pressure” technique worked—even if the results from any Kim-Trump meeting fall far short of current rhetoric about denuclearization.

First, assert that Trump's Tactics will make things worse, which was the stance taken by many on this board and had a an entire thread based on that assertion.
Next, when they succeed in a massive diplomatic breakthrough and real commitments on the ground, pooh pooh the idea that the breakthrough meetings will accomplish anything but words.
Then, pooh pooh that it was the Tough Stance that got us to a POTUS-Kim meeting, say it was the legacy of Obama, Ben Rhodes, etc.
Finally, ignore it and handwavium away the entire DPRK-ROC conflict and Kim's nukes as "No Biggie" "Eventually gonna happen anyway".

June 12th in Singapore.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44074257
14   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   ignore (2)   2018 May 10, 11:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Then, pooh pooh that it was the Tough Stance that got us to a POTUS-Kim meeting, say it was the legacy of Obama, Ben Rhodes, etc.


It wasn't the legacy of Obama. It was the fact that Kim has a bomb and delivery system. Could he use some more testing and development to nail things down? Sure. But, he is a credible threat now, so he's achieved deterrence. Now, he's coming to the Table. He's not going to disarm, and give up his security system. Do you think that he is? What do you think that Trump has won?

Trump talked tough, but did nothing, and Kim got his weapon, which is what we have been trying to prevent. That's a loss, not a win. It can't be blamed on Trump, because most of the work probably happened during Bush/Obama, and earlier. But that's where we are.
15   socal2   ignore (0)   2018 May 10, 11:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says
What do you think that Trump has won?


Three hostages for starters.

North Korea has also halted all nuclear and missile tests in advance of the summit meeting. That's not nothing.

What have we given up other than a willingness to talk?

I am still pessimistic, but we are light years away from where we were just a month or two ago when many Liberals were complaining that Trump's "Fire and Fury" rhetoric was going to bring us WWIII.
18   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 May 10, 2:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Booger says


This is the change we were looking for.
Thank You Trump, can we give you the Peace Prize?
19   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 10, 3:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

socal2 says
we are light years away from where we were just a month or two ago when many Liberals were complaining that Trump's "Fire and Fury" rhetoric was going to bring us WWIII.


Uh -no, we are not.

The summit will be a great excuse to revert back to the months right before things got touchy feely, should things not go the way either side wants. We have a "war" cabinet in place that is aching for some action be it on the Korean peninsular or the Middle East which if I recall I have consistently said not to take your eyes off of.

The following sums all of this up rather nicely.

Fissures in the North Korea Peace Process? Trump has maintained a hard line, and, notably, Pyongyang has responded in kind. Although noted by the press, Trump’s remarks and Pyongyang’s response have been mostly drowned out by the onrush of other events.

To be clear, at this point, we simply do not know what will happen at the summit. By all indications, the Trump administration will pursue what is referred to as the Libya model to denuclearization (following the secret agreement reached between the U.S. and U.K. and Libya in 2003), whereby North Korea must first agree to relinquish its nuclear weapons and end its program, as well as permit the invasive inspection regimes necessary to prove it has done so. National Security Advisor John Bolton remarked the administration had “very much in mind the Libya model.” Only once Pyongyang acquiesces will it receive concession from the U.S. side.

North Korea itself has explicitly stated it wants a “progressive and synchronous” (or gradual and simultaneous) series of steps, which implies the opposite of what Trump and his advisors are demanding, namely, reciprocal and step-by-step trade-offs. One or both sides will have to become more flexible for any real, substantive settlement to occur.

Both Kim and Trump face substantial legitimacy deficits. North Korea is seen as a rogue and tyrannical regime, now equipped with nuclear weapons and a rapidly advanced ballistic missile program. In the short and medium term, appearing to be flexible and at least making a verbal commitment to a grand settlement could accrue to Kim’s benefit. He can continue his diplomatic charm offensive throughout the region, normalize his role as a leader of a nuclear-armed state, and maybe even achieve some reduction in the punishing sanctions regime against Pyongyang. Trump, meanwhile, faces significant and growing domestic troubles, and appears to put little to no importance on holding to agreements the United States has previously signed. For him, appearing to reach a grand settlement with Pyongyang (again, at least in spirit) could be packaged as some sort of historic win, bringing much needed applause for an otherwise and increasingly embattled presidency. Yet, in time, without concrete implementation of an agreement, initial PR fads away, and reality comes rushing in.

Again, we do not know what will transpire. What we can say is that breaking away from the Iran deal certainly does not help. Much like the so-called Libyan solution (which ended a decade later with Muammar Gaddafi’s death by Western-backed militia’s), breaking the Iran deal severely undermines the credibility of the U.S. government. Why would Pyongyang trust anything Trump signs on to?

However, Pyongyang has not trusted the U.S. for a very long time, going all the way back to the Korean War. Kim and the ruling cohort in Pyongyang have no illusions about the threat Trump poses. Pulling out of the Iran deal confirms a belief they already hold. All of which gets back to the central question: is either side ready to budge from longstanding, fundamental positions? If not, no real settlement will be possible.

Much More and worth a read before rolling out the celebrations. https://thediplomat.com/2018/05/fissures-in-the-north-korea-peace-process/
20   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 10, 4:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
Next, when they succeed in a massive diplomatic breakthrough and real commitments on the ground


Hold off on playing this for awhile.
21   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 10, 4:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

On those 5 Iraq ISIS members, Iraq used Baghdadi aide's phone to capture Islamic State commanders.

Yes, they had help from American Intelligence as well.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-islamicstate-excl/exclusive-iraq-used-baghdadi-aides-phone-to-capture-islamic-state-commanders-idUSKBN1IB1N2

No mention of the Golden Golem however but what else is new ?
22   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 12, 12:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

North Korea’s official news agency has reported that the country has scheduled the demolition of the Punggye-ri nuclear test site ahead of talks with the United States next month.

Reuters reports that official Korean Central New Agency says that the site will be decommissioned between May 23rd and 25th, which would include “collapsing all of its tunnels with explosions, blocking its entrances,” and shutting down all of its observation and security facilities. The announcement comes ahead of scheduled talks between US President Donald Trump and DPRK Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore on June 12th. State media says that foreign journalists will be invited to witness the decommissioning.

...
The country conducted six nuclear tests between 2006 and September 2017, and claimed that final test was a hydrogen bomb.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/12/17348090/north-korea-nuclear-program-dismantle-punggye-ri-test-site-may-2018

23   Strategist   ignore (1)   2018 May 12, 12:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says


We know you will never nuclearize. Obama is not President anymore.
24   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 12, 1:10pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
North Korea’s official news agency has reported that the country has scheduled the demolition of the Punggye-ri nuclear test site ahead of talks with the United States next month.


And?

It's a long way to Tipperary....




We've all seen the dog and pony show before.

Going to guess the chicken and pea circuit menu hasn't changed as well.

Let's not gush over a battle and lose sight of the war....
25   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 12, 1:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says
North Korea affirms ICBM and Nuke Testing Halt, Vows to concentrate on Econ Development Instead


On a somewhat related note Feux Follets affirms consumption halt of most bakery items, vows to concentrate on physical well being more or less instead.
26   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 12, 1:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Strategist says
We know you will never nuclearize. Obama is not President anymore.


Already a done deal (they have the goods) - time now for chess.

Btw - the focus should be on the current administration and not lingering in the past - the past is gone, not coming back, can't be undone.

Only have the present to deal with - the future is off limits as well but the actions and deeds in the next days, weeks and months will shape it for better or worse.

Lots of wiggle room here on both sides - that can be used for all types of purposes, including the ever popular I came to the party but no one would dance with me so I am taking my toys and going home, I did not get the photo ops and glowing press reports I was after.

That's when the real fun will start - when the Golden Golem of Narcissism is safe from harm...

Now only if we could learn from the past and not repeat those same mistakes - if only.
27   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (3)   2018 May 12, 3:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

How in the universe does this thread have a dislike? Is there someone with TDS so severe
that they wish North Korea did have nukes?
28   WarrenTheApe   ignore (0)   2018 May 12, 3:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CovfefeButDeadly says
Is there someone with TDS so severe
that they wish North Korea did have nukes?

Yup. You just got it in one.

There are SEVERAL someones with TDS so severe that they'd rather wish NK did have nukes.

In fact, CNN ran this little hit piece that the whole thing about Trump bringing those three hostages back was all staged to get 'the nation distracted from Stormy Daniels'. Who the fuck cares about Stormy Daniels? The 'It was just about sex when Clinton did it' TDS hypocrites and that is pretty much it, that's who.
29   TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy   ignore (1)   2018 May 12, 4:59pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CovfefeButDeadly says
CovfefeButDeadly says
Is there someone with TDS so severe
that they wish North Korea did have nukes?

Yup. You just got it in one.




30   Feux Follets   ignore (1)   2018 May 13, 7:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

zzyzzx says


North Korean Hostages ask: why did the Apprentice Host Greet Us at the Airport?

The newly released hostages from North Korean imprisonment were left baffled when a man they last knew as a reality TV figure greeted them at the airport in the guise of the US President.

‘It was kinda like the Twilight Zone’, said one hostage. ‘When I was arrested, our President was a cool looking black dude. Next thing I’m landing in Washington and a guy that looks like Donald Trump jumps out to greet us. I mean….W.T.F? Surely not. Surely?’

Another hostage said ’when I heard we were being released I thought wow, Obama’s really come through for us! I knew he would! What a legend. Then we land at Andrews Air Force Base and I think – where’s Obama? And what the hell is Donald Trump doing here? And why are all the Marines saluting him?

Then it dawns on me, and I just think, is it too late to go back to North Korea? I mean sure, Kim Jong Un’s a vicious little dictator but…..the Donald?’

The 3rd Hostage said, ‘it was a surreal moment, it really was, when we all realised that America had somehow elected Donald Trump to be their President. We had no news in prison of course.

It was like the ending of the ‘Planet of the Apes’ movie.

I just sank to my knees and screamed “my God! What have you done!!!!”

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2018/05/12/north-korean-hostages-ask-why-did-the-apprentice-host-greet-us-at-the-airport/
31   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 May 13, 7:33am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Feux Follets says
The 3rd Hostage said, ‘it was a surreal moment, it really was, when we all realised that America had somehow elected Donald Trump to be their President. We had no news in prison of course.

It was like the ending of the ‘Planet of the Apes’ movie.

I just sank to my knees and screamed “my God! What have you done!!!


The TDS is so strong with this article. As if a hostage, being tortured and beaten and confined, would care who was the POTUS, as long as that person wasn’t a Kenyan do-nothing and got them out of there.




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